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@Ji Mitch Whilst Socrates made valid points and perhaps voting results in America/The UK could be considered to even further solidify his point but I still think it's worth noting that the system he suggested would be near impossible to implement. When you put boundaries on who can vote the system often gets corrupted, when and how does it get decided if you're "Smart and educated enough to vote" Could those in power alter the system and the qualifications for who's deemed suitable to vote to fit their own standard? I honestly think the system's downsides far outweigh it's rewards. I think we should instead make more of a concious effort to relay facts and educate the public, espicially considering that most of the people I've encountered on this thread who's reasoning for voting for the conservatives this election was almost entirely based off lies and falsehoods, anywhere from comparing Corbyn to Hitler because they were both supposedly socialists (Which Hitler was not, please read up on history if you're ever in doubt) to saying that Labour were somehow responsible for the 2008 global financial crisis even though they clearly had no responsibility in it and there's no evidence to support the claim that it was their fault. Now I'm not saying the people that posted on this thread are liars themselves but rather that they've been blatantly lied to by the conservative campaign and it's outer circles and they've chosen to believe said lies. It's honestly a shame but regardles of all of this though I still don't think we should ever aim to set boundaries on who can and who can't vote.

Firstly, Hitler never said that. I'd seriously encourage you to stop believing any quote you see on the internet. Secondly, the idea that all money you earn espicially if you're ultra rich like the ones Corbyn wants to tax is all "Fairly earned" is just naivity at it's finest. Jeff Bezos earns in around 10 mins what his average employee would earn 60 years of working full time, He earns around as much in 10 seconds as his average employee earns a year. If you think that's justifiable and fair by any stretch of the imagination then you're simply out of touch with reality. Taxing the wealthiest more instead of letting them horde extreme amounts of wealth in order to accomodate for the less fortunate isn't communism by any stretch of the imagination. Corbyn wants to implement systems used by the countries that currently have the highest living standards in the world by almost every measurement but when he tries to implement it in one of the biggest economies in the world "It's unrealistic and madness" As for the free broadband suggestion, it's been suggested that it could boost the economy through improved infrastructure. Investing money into the public isn't throwing money away, it's called an investment for a reason.

"Wants to give second chances to mass terrorist murderers" When has he ever said this? Also the logic you're applying to when something good is done by labour "It was supported by both parties but labour were just in power at the time" but if it's something negative that BOTH the parties supported it's "Labour made this terrible decision" I don't want to personally call you out but it does come off as very hypocritical. Ah yes, reknown truth tellers Donald Trump and Boris Johnson lmao. Trump when asked if the NHS was on the table for a trade deal said "Everything is on the table, everything" or something along the lines of that, he backtracked on it later as he realised it could potentially hurt his biggest political ally in the UK, I'd say you'd be downright gullible to believe he wouldn't try to buy parts of the NHS after the election. Scaremongering fact? You're making it sound like a number that was made up on the spot when infact that number was taken from a study conducted by a thinktank that was funded by the Economic and Social Research Council. You know... people that are actually educated and informed on the matter. You find it undemocratic to have a second referendum even though the leave that's on the table now was not even close to the leave that was being promised by any politician that advocated for it during the weeks coming up the referendum? I'd argue it's far more undemocratic to not allow people to change their minds now that they have a much better impression of what Brexit might look like if it was to go through on the current terms. Nigel Farage himself said that there'd be need for a second referendum incase of a 52-48 result a couple of weeks before the referendum happened but that's null and void now that leave won I'm assuming? Keep in mind many people voiced their regrets over voting leave as they were clearly lied to and had no idea what they were voting for (a couple of people I personally know voted and supported leave and now heavily regret it) and now want a second referendum. Probably because you haven't left yet? lol But it's an undeniable fact that the UK has already suffered economically just from the result of the vote but you're still convinced that nothing negative is going to happen after you actually leave? 97 percent of economists, the CBI, HM treasury and just about everysingle reliable economic study and forecast and has concluded that brexit under current terms would damage the UK's economy severely but you're just not convinced it's true because why? You forgot to mention that remain leaning parties won about 53-54 percent of the seats against pro brexit parties winning around 46-47 percent? If anything surely it shows the country's will to remain in the EU. It kinda hurts to see how painfully uninformed people are when it comes to immigration and what it brings to your country. Multiple studies have shown that the UK has benefitted tremendously from immigration over the past couple of decades, even if there were people leeching off the system there'd be more than enough hard working people to compensate for it. I'll be honest, it is genuinely really disappointing to see people fall for the Tory leaderships continious lies.

Public debt throughout the last labour goverment remained stagnant and went down during a couple of years up untill the financial crisis. feel free to look it up. The problem with saying that labours finacial policies screwed the country a whole DECADE later is that it's entirely baseless, show me any evidence to support your claim.

Aha so in other words you lied and you hadn't done any research. Can't say I'm surprised tbh. If you were even remotely well informed on the topic you'd probably know that national debt levels under labour were fine and were actually going down slightly.

How was labour responsible for the 2008 global financial crisis? Also "Lets not second guess ourselves when we voted for something no one had any clue about and were blatantly lied too in order to get us to vote for it"

@Brandon Pigeon I feel like conservatives always seem to forget that they're the ones that have been in power for the past decade but yet the country is far worse off now than it was 10 years ago. If you'd actually done your research I'd find it hard to believe that you honestly think Labour were solely responsible for the 2008 GLOBAL financial crisis. Under the previous labour goverment the debt levels were actually stagnant and the economy was doing well up untill the global financial crisis. Yet here we are, a decade later where Tories are still blaming labour for the poor state of the country. Johnson and his party has been caught lying countless times yet you're convinced he's honest about what you can achieve. If economic responsibility was something that actually mattered to you, you'd be backing a second referendum with the option to remain as you're almost with certainty going to be better off economically if you stay in the EU. You can go ahead and vote for 5 more years of austerity and terrible economic policy and then blame labour again for the country doing poorly once the next election comes around.

Good luck to everyone!