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  1. The still image just looks really funny and the thought tickled me haha. Trents not around I dont think but I dont see a need for Trent to come TS as isnt being reported here.
  2. We weren't shooting anyone we were holding someone up there is a bit of a difference. It was you lot that came into the situation shooting.
  3. From the information that @Joshuahas provided this person isn't with The Vagos and tbh I don't know who they are. Ok, Ive reviewed the video for you now in Slow Motion and I think I know what has happened. at 35 seconds you can see this white car has pulled up i'm assuming this is 405. Seconds after this you can see the hustler which fired the first shot on a Bike. Fresh out of hospital pulling a shotgun out of his gown i might add haha.. After this you are then shot multiple times and you can see the direction the shots are coming from with the damage indicator. Its clear that no Vagos are in the direction of the shots and as 405 is not a Vagos I can only assume they thought you were with us and thats why you were shot. You can hear the confusion of the Vagos in the clip when we begin to call out "shots shots" as we arent sure who is firing at who. Hope this clears it up and i'll leave the reported party to respond.
  4. Is there any chance of you being able to ID 405 for us @Joshuaas we aren't sure who it was that needs to go to TS. Thanks.
  5. We will try and identify them asap and get them to reply to you on here. if possible could an admin identify the ID from the death logs. It’s hard to see from the video.
  6. To add slightly more context to this we have been dealing with hustlers out of there own colours and have had guns pulled on us at little notice leading up to this point. As you are applying armour it also seems you are on radio which was the reason for the initial hostility. Just because you say you aren’t doing anything wrong doesn’t mean you don’t immediately listen to a known gang giving instructions. Firstly you shouldn’t have stopped to watch a clearly dangerous situation and secondly should have left as soon as you realised we were coming over to you. There is nothing surprising about us coming over to check you given the situation we are in. The fact you remained just shows that you were waiting to see how we reacted and unfortunately you got shot as a result.
  7. For the 5 seconds or so that I am still running away I am not aware how close you are or what you are pointing at me and my focus is to get over the crest of the hill to see if I have any chance of escape. The mentality of well I have a gun the RP has to stop as soon as I say so is so boring. It makes perfect sense for me to see what is over the hill in front of me when A. I cant see a gun and B I haven't been threatened by more than a sentence spoken. Its not as if I have run down a road in a straight line with a car right behind me telling me to stop running and I haven't been surrounded. I am running for maybe a maximum of 10 seconds or so and have jumped down a ledge which to be honest I would have expected you to have to get out of your car at to give chase on foot. I didn't have to run, I could have pulled my gun as soon as my car broke down but that would be shit RP and just a focus on winning the situation. You already knew backup was coming yet instead of prolonging the chase a little bit and having some fun the main focus was to just get me in zipties again as fast as possible. I didn't see you from a road I saw you from a hill to the side of where you were. I was actively looking for Hustlers who were dumping Vagos and to find 2 of you in a random spot it is obvious what you are doing which is why i instantly radio'd in and why you instantly chased me and rammed me off a mountain. The reason you do not see a gun pull animation from me is because I already have my gun in my hand which is why I was able to roll straight away. Realism doesn't really factor into it when you have just flown down the side of a mountain in a sports car in order to catch up to me which you can see from the damage of your vehicle. This was never discussed in Teamspeak and I have never spoken to the Author of this report which also is not you.
  8. I don't have a clip of this at all so I will have to try and explain my POV without one. At around the 15-17 second mark when I am running I hear "put your hands up or I will shoot you in the back" as I'm running away I cannot see any gun pointed at me and I am at this point genuinely running for my life given I have been shot and downed by hustlers within the hour and robbed afterwards. The fact that I found 2 of you camping bleed out timers makes it pretty obvious that I wasn't going to live. You can see in the clip that the gun was actually only pointed at me for a brief second so at this point I don't believe the following applies - "if you are clearly outnumbered or at an obvious disadvantage you should comply with demands." As I went over the edge of the hill there was clearly no where for me to go and as I stopped my sprint I ended up on the bonnet of the car and it ragdolled me. Here again no guns were pointed at me and I tried to pull my pistol as I was getting up but I had to resetweaponwheel. 25 seconds in after the first person has got out of the car my gun is already in my hand while I'm stood on top of the car as he says "NOW" for the first time. I'm able to roll as I still did not feel I was at an obvious disadvantage given my gun was drawn and one of you remained in the car. At no point was I clearly outnumbered or at an obvious disadvantage - The situation was far to quick for it to be considered NVL and obviously if you had managed to kill me this report probably wouldn't exist. I'm not sure if you were in Teamspeak with myself and the few Hustlers that joined but I would have happily discussed this situation with you as I did other situations with them from the nights events. You tried to resolve the situation with the player(s) before reporting: No - So you just want people to get banned is that the main aim?
  9. Other servers that I have played held community bi monthly meetings with it being run by head devs and management and they worked really well. there’s a way to mod it in discord in a way that the people running the meeting are like spokespersons and no one else can talk. People can raise their hands and be dragged to speak 1 at a time with the devs and management to ask/answer questions. That would prevent it being a shit show and it always worked well. Devs can talk about plans for the months ahead and people can ask/suggest things.
  10. I'd also run Reshade alongside NVE just to make the colours and stuff pop more looks a lot nicer. Can share my settings if you decide to try it.
  11. If my points are invalid then why am I constantly hearing about a Ballas war. People are in here talking about their own past experiences so I don’t see how you can shut me down for sharing mine. i said shots had been fired from vehicles without words during the war not specifically the push before we retaliated. Why would a gang in a war who had pushed a turf be bunched up taking photos? Just sounds like a lack of war experience and getting caught lacking to me. black cars or yellow cars, a few words or no words. The end result would be the same. It’s a shame his mic didn’t work as intended and that’s an honest mistake. circling in coloured cars to show a presence is ok before shooting? So is that where you draw the line at quality RP for it to be not considered RDM? I am well aware of when good RP has taken place but we aren’t here to discuss that either. I’m not waffling or distracting anything I am posting very detailed replies consistently most of which is getting ignored and nit picked. if people abuse war rules that are set that’s up to them but we have alway set them in advance. Not altered them once they are in place and followed them to the letter because that’s the fair way to do it.
  12. How is this any different to circling Vagos turf in gang coloured cars and eventually shooting? Which HAS happened during this war. It’s either all wrong or it’s not. Circling in cars is the same level of RP that has been raised in this report. At the end of the day the line is not clear on what level of RP is required during a gang war when it comes to KOS when roleplay is continuous and on going throughout many days in a row. Yes server rules apply at all times is what is often said but if you’ve ever been in more than 1 gang war it’s generally accepted with the help of gang rules that both parties agree to relax what they consider to be against the rules to avoid wars becoming forum wars. its clear that this is what most experienced gang members accept as is evident in our other on going war with the lost who have got out of their identifiable outfits, changed from the bikes they usually use to faster bikes and even vehicles and are KOSing us on our turf or around the city with very little and sometimes no words said and that is from members of the staff team on those characters.
  13. I will reply to this topic as I was ID 477, The driver of the black car that first pulled up and it was also my idea to not be in Vagos Colours for this incident. For the benefit of staff who have not been in Teamspeak with both parties over the last week I will try to give as much details as possible to aide the discussions that you will no doubt have surrounding this report. For the benefit of this thread in particular it would be much easier for everyone involved if the replies came from the person opening the report and we will try to keep Vagos replies concise to avoid it becoming a back and forth on the forums. For clarity this report is regarding IDs - 477, 230, 105, 84 as such this is all that will be addressed moving forwards. Anything else should be kept to a separate report/discussion if people feel the need to report those individuals. Vagos & Grove have been at war now in RP for just over a week if my timeline is correct. The reason for the war is over a strip of road that intersects both turfs and both gangs want to sell on it and tax it. We had a meeting on Grove street that resulted in neither gang backing down and threats being made. This was followed up by a "turf push" by Grove using molotovs and shots were fired. It was clear that this was going to be a war from the get go which is totally fine. What followed since was days of back and forths. Sometimes Grove would push and shoot us on Turf, sometimes we would do the same. Grove would kidnap/torture etc Vagos members and we also picked up their members where we could. Around the 2nd/3rd day we requested to set war rules to ensure the war didn't turn into a fuck fest. As Vagos we have been in many many wars and have come to appreciate that war rules are a great way to mould the roleplay and situations moving forwards so that it doesn't become weeks and weeks or turf pushes and retaliations like every single war on the server. We were initially told by Tok that we aren't a real gang and he doesn't need to set war rules. fine. We've had a session in Teamspeak previously with Staff present regarding the war at which point we were both heavily encouraged to set war rules between the gang leads as it stops things become a report fest. Although they aren't server rules they do become a gentlemen's agreement between gangs that tbh any decent person out of City would agree to follow. Examples of War rules that we were discussing are - Colours at all times if involved, KOS on Turfs, No dumping (police do enough confiscating) - These are usually foundation rules that a lot of wars involve. To make the war more unique to the scenario we also discussed as a gang rules such as no vehicles what so ever, due to the close nature of the turfs and the reason for it in the first place we would have like to have had "neighbourhood war" like really gangs would do. Once again this is due to the META that as soon as war starts people pull Supercars and Helions out of their arse in order to help them win a shootout that really hasn't advanced the RP in anyway what so ever. Shootouts are fun, but when they make sense. Moving on to the incident in question, we had recently had grove circling our turf which resulted in both gangs shooting at each other (without words said). Grove were in full Green cars and we were in positions such as rooftops as with any gang war we anticipated an attack could happen at any point and were always ready. A lot of people were down, a lot of people we arrested and some were dumped. As a gang it took us a while to regroup and get everyone together again to plan how we would retaliate. We called in help from 3 previous Vagos members who were only recently removed and joined Ballas, 1 previous member who is still loyal to us and only recently left and also Darren who tagged along being friends with most of us. As we were preparing to come down to Grove and attack I had a sudden thought of, Why are we doing this in yellow? The way we see war rules we always stick to them no matter what because we respect them for what they are. but we didn't have any, Tok didn't see us as a gang and had said it multiple times so why should we give them the upper hand of noticing us pulling up. From previous experience Grove have been known to use the surrounding rooftops as firing points as well as patrol the streets nearby. That is the kind of welcome we were expecting when we were approaching. Instead we found Grove making a human pyramid posing for a photo using emojis. It was at this point Bobby (leader of Vagos) was supposed to make reference to an apology Grove had requested and tell them where to stick it. We expected Grove to be expected a retaliation and therefore we did only initially think that we would be met with 1/2/3 people stood at the road side to the initiate a longer shoot out scenario with. This is bearing in mind that no previous turf pushes from either said bar a few exceptions have involved "words said" before shots are fired. Unfortunately Bobby failed to activate his ingame push to talk button which had been working just prior around the corner when shouting his insults towards the Grove members posing for the picture. Accidents do happen and this was never denied in Teamspeak at all by anyone. That is evident in his clip which i will post below that still did pick up his audio. https://medal.tv/games/gta-v/clips/72853086/d1337cocchyV?invite=cr-MSxMOWssMjI2OTc1Mjcs The intention behind it was to send a message that we can hit anywhere at anytime and it is not a requirement or even a request to represent our colours if we don't want to. Due to police showing up very quickly a lot of people did leave the scene very hastily which prevent much context being given afterwards. I did stay behind as it was my intention to try and take some Grove for some torture RP and more conversation however it kept fucking up and I couldn't even get people in my car. Its a little bit annoying how people lean against rules in RP and make comments such as "some Randoms shooting for no reason" and "mass deportation" or "shooting with no words" - By this point its obvious who it is in RP because random people would not roll up and shoot coincidently during a gang war with a neighbouring turf in retaliation to an initial push. I don't have my clip of the shooting as It didn't cross my mind and by the time I captured it I was only able to get the aftermath from my POV. https://medal.tv/games/gta-v/clips/72872125/d1337hoYQXOs?invite=cr-MSxRazEsMjA3OTQ2Mjgs On the final note regarding war rules, it has been stated by Grove that these are OOC discussions and if they don't want them we don't have to do them. It is our opinion that they are there to enhance the wars and roleplay and create further interesting storylines. With factions such as the firm or even using Father Augustus as a mediator things such as rules can be RPd out such as The Firm could say something along the lines of Im sick of seeing people in black shooting each other if you two want to go at it I want to see whos who and you never know I might be impressed etc. This is all creative stuff that can stop war rules from being OOC and something people try to avoid. As a community leader it is the responsibility of Both Tok and Bobby to think beyond the benefit of their own gang and think of the server as a whole to create interesting and unique scenarios. The fact that this war has become a run of the mill bulletproof backed cars circling turfs and shooting situation shows that this role as a leader is not being properly fulfilled. There is nothing wrong with 2 leaders secretly coming together in private to "stage" interesting scenarios without informing other people however there has been a total reluctance to do anything at all behind the scenes because its "forced RP" - its a shame a lack of creativity and variety is the norm and considered acceptable on the server but I guess that's just the way things are and I should lower my expectations. I think I have covered as much as I can to cover replies for the IDs involved, It may be easier if like I said Grove can collectively come to an reply jointly to post and make it easier for staff to evaluate. Thanks, JB.
  14. I will reply to this topic as I was ID 477, The driver of the black car that first pulled up and it was also my idea to not be in Vagos Colours for this incident. For the benefit of staff who have not been in Teamspeak with both parties over the last week I will try to give as much details as possible to aide the discussions that you will no doubt have surrounding this report. For the benefit of this thread in particular it would be much easier for everyone involved if the replies came from the person opening the report and we will try to keep Vagos replies concise to avoid it becoming a back and forth on the forums. For clarity this report is regarding IDs - 477, 230, 39, 597 as such this is all that will be addressed moving forwards. Anything else should be kept to a separate report/discussion if people feel the need to report those individuals. Vagos & Grove have been at war now in RP for just over a week if my timeline is correct. The reason for the war is over a strip of road that intersects both turfs and both gangs want to sell on it and tax it. We had a meeting on Grove street that resulted in neither gang backing down and threats being made. This was followed up by a "turf push" by Grove using molotovs and shots were fired. It was clear that this was going to be a war from the get go which is totally fine. What followed since was days of back and forths. Sometimes Grove would push and shoot us on Turf, sometimes we would do the same. Grove would kidnap/torture etc Vagos members and we also picked up their members where we could. Around the 2nd/3rd day we requested to set war rules to ensure the war didn't turn into a fuck fest. As Vagos we have been in many many wars and have come to appreciate that war rules are a great way to mould the roleplay and situations moving forwards so that it doesn't become weeks and weeks or turf pushes and retaliations like every single war on the server. We were initially told by Tok that we aren't a real gang and he doesn't need to set war rules. fine. We've had a session in Teamspeak previously with Staff present regarding the war at which point we were both heavily encouraged to set war rules between the gang leads as it stops things become a report fest. Although they aren't server rules they do become a gentlemen's agreement between gangs that tbh any decent person out of City would agree to follow. Examples of War rules that we were discussing are - Colours at all times if involved, KOS on Turfs, No dumping (police do enough confiscating) - These are usually foundation rules that a lot of wars involve. To make the war more unique to the scenario we also discussed as a gang rules such as no vehicles what so ever, due to the close nature of the turfs and the reason for it in the first place we would have like to have had "neighbourhood war" like really gangs would do. Once again this is due to the META that as soon as war starts people pull Supercars and Helions out of their arse in order to help them win a shootout that really hasn't advanced the RP in anyway what so ever. Shootouts are fun, but when they make sense. Moving on to the incident in question, we had recently had grove circling our turf which resulted in both gangs shooting at each other (without words said). Grove were in full Green cars and we were in positions such as rooftops as with any gang war we anticipated an attack could happen at any point and were always ready. A lot of people were down, a lot of people we arrested and some were dumped. As a gang it took us a while to regroup and get everyone together again to plan how we would retaliate. We called in help from 3 previous Vagos members who were only recently removed and joined Ballas, 1 previous member who is still loyal to us and only recently left and also Darren who tagged along being friends with most of us. As we were preparing to come down to Grove and attack I had a sudden thought of, Why are we doing this in yellow? The way we see war rules we always stick to them no matter what because we respect them for what they are. but we didn't have any, Tok didn't see us as a gang and had said it multiple times so why should we give them the upper hand of noticing us pulling up. From previous experience Grove have been known to use the surrounding rooftops as firing points as well as patrol the streets nearby. That is the kind of welcome we were expecting when we were approaching. Instead we found Grove making a human pyramid posing for a photo using emojis. It was at this point Bobby (leader of Vagos) was supposed to make reference to an apology Grove had requested and tell them where to stick it. We expected Grove to be expected a retaliation and therefore we did only initially think that we would be met with 1/2/3 people stood at the road side to the initiate a longer shoot out scenario with. This is bearing in mind that no previous turf pushes from either said bar a few exceptions have involved "words said" before shots are fired. Unfortunately Bobby failed to activate his ingame push to talk button which had been working just prior around the corner when shouting his insults towards the Grove members posing for the picture. Accidents do happen and this was never denied in Teamspeak at all by anyone. That is evident in his clip which i will post below that still did pick up his audio. https://medal.tv/games/gta-v/clips/72853086/d1337cocchyV?invite=cr-MSxMOWssMjI2OTc1Mjcs The intention behind it was to send a message that we can hit anywhere at anytime and it is not a requirement or even a request to represent our colours if we don't want to. Due to police showing up very quickly a lot of people did leave the scene very hastily which prevent much context being given afterwards. I did stay behind as it was my intention to try and take some Grove for some torture RP and more conversation however it kept fucking up and I couldn't even get people in my car. Its a little bit annoying how people lean against rules in RP and make comments such as "some Randoms shooting for no reason" and "mass deportation" or "shooting with no words" - By this point its obvious who it is in RP because random people would not roll up and shoot coincidently during a gang war with a neighbouring turf in retaliation to an initial push. I don't have my clip of the shooting as It didn't cross my mind and by the time I captured it I was only able to get the aftermath from my POV. https://medal.tv/games/gta-v/clips/72872125/d1337hoYQXOs?invite=cr-MSxRazEsMjA3OTQ2Mjgs On the final note regarding war rules, it has been stated by Grove that these are OOC discussions and if they don't want them we don't have to do them. It is our opinion that they are there to enhance the wars and roleplay and create further interesting storylines. With factions such as the firm or even using Father Augustus as a mediator things such as rules can be RPd out such as The Firm could say something along the lines of im sick of seeing people in black shooting each other if you two want to go at it I want to see whos who and you never know I might be impressed etc. This is all creative stuff that can stop war rules from being OOC and something people try to avoid. I think I have covered as much as I can to cover replies for the IDs involved, It may be easier if like I said Grove can collectively come to an reply jointly to post and make it easier for staff to evaluate. Thanks, JB.
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