Armed response (Again)

//This post is not RP//

Yes im going to bring this up again and the best part is that you don't even have to read this post if you're done with the conversation, which i whole wholeheartedly understand.

Let me just start of by saying that I actually think the AR is a good idea.

After a great conversation with AR members last night i must say that im very confused about the culture and expectations from AR members in the community. The purpose is clear, Armed Response is the branch of the police that can handle and shut down any escalated situation to minimize casualties, adding another layer and depth to the police force.

How ever it has come to my attention that it is also stated in the job description to ''Confiscate ALL illegal firearms'', is this not the job of any police? i mean its Illegal isnt it? Is this AR's sole purpose when there isnt a big gun fight going? i cant say i have ever seen a AR member stop to help a Hobo find the apple trees etc.

My issue, and i belive most people will agree with me on this, is how the AR is operated.

Up until last night my experience with AR has been that when they show up on a scene, Negotiations are Over and All Role play has been Canceled which defiantly is not what this community is about. Keep in mind iv only been here for 2 months, tops.

Usually this would not be a problem, as i stated above the purpose is to shutdown any situations that gets out of hand but when you show up, either as the first officers on the scene or halfway through conversation it is.

I brought this up with the Officers who gave me two very different impressions, whilst they agree on that the AR is much more inclined to enforce the law with little to no compromise they seemed to have different opinions on how to go about doing so. This is likely a product of how you choose to Role play but what was interesting to me was that i cant recall a situation where AR would engage in a conversation with me that lasted longer then 1min...

Im not upset that AR is here, im disapointed in the lazy role play of the members, who i assume has been along time in the community working their way up through the police just to lower their level to a police version of ''Hands up, or die'' which i believe is the main reason people are disapproving of the AR.

Instead of saying ''No, AR is here to stay'' you could take what people is saying and improve instead.

This is just me putting my thoughts into some text for people to consider and is certainly not targeted towards any one person but the general conception.

To the two officers me and my friends spoke to, i hope we didn't end on a sour note. And i hope that you can be just as available to converse next time we meet!

/Yah boi, Jeep

Firstly let me quote from out handbook what exactly we do. 

Jeep_addison said:

After a great conversation with AR members last night i must say that im very confused about the culture and expectations from AR members in the community. The purpose is clear, Armed Response is the branch of the police that can handle and shut down any escalated situation to minimize casualties, adding another layer and depth to the police force.

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Hopefully this will clear that up.

Secondly you say we are "Lazy roleplayers". Firstly that is your own personal opinion and you are entitled to that however I would disagree. People have there own play styles and just because you've had a bad experience or whatever shouldn't dictate what you think about a unit. This always seems to happen with armed response all the blame is put back on us when in fact, I myself  never seen any sort of evidence and Chief Of armed Response. If you was to provide me with some sort of evidence then I would dish out punishment or warnings if necessary.

You also say we never help "hobos". I myself can say I always help "Hobos" in need weather it be protecting them at aluminium processor and escorting them to Metal exports and then to the cash point or in fact if they have no money and they have no way of making money I will 9/10 times go with them to the truck shop and buy them a Hemtt Box. I believe it was @Danish who cam up to me the other day as he was afraid of getting his backpack robbed at the apple field as there where armed rebels there and i must of sat with him for a good hour and a half doing apples. 

Also I normally do a Foot Patrol in Kavala as Armed Response as I like to interact with people and make the point Armed Response can actually roleplay and we are not always here for gunfights. I ko you may be thinking thats BS you never do Foot patrols but I'm sure @Simen and @Saul Goodmancan confirm as I was with them for about and hour or 2 in kavala square roleplayng with them anc civilians. At the end of the day we are a specialised unit that tackles gun crime and major gunfights. We do our job and get on with it and everyone doesn't seem to get that. Its like NCA, NCA Are here for organised crime and drugs. 

Like i said if you have any evidence then please get in contact with me on Teamspeak or via PM im always happy to answer questions. AR will always be a problem in rebels eyes, They always have and they always will be. We are a threat to your illegal activities and we will always try and stop illegal activity on the island. That's our job. 

Look forward to hearing back from you, if you have any questions I'll be more than happy to answer them.

See people, this is how you respond to posts like this ^

SI Ryan said:

Firstly let me quote from out handbook what exactly we do. 

 The Altis Police first introduced 'Armed Response Vehicles' to the streets of Altis on 21 December 2034. These vehicles are crewed by uniformed officers who have been selected and trained to stabilise and control armed incidents, stop and search suspects, their vehicles and to search premises for armed suspects.
These officers are heavily armed and prepared to deal with major gunfights. Each Armed Response Patrol consists of 4 to 8 officers in Armed Response police uniform who patrol the island of Altis ready to attend any situation at a moment’s notice.​

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Hopefully this will clear that up.

Secondly you say we are "Lazy roleplayers". Firstly that is your own personal opinion and you are entitled to that however I would disagree. People have there own play styles and just because you've had a bad experience or whatever shouldn't dictate what you think about a unit. This always seems to happen with armed response all the blame is put back on us when in fact, I myself  never seen any sort of evidence and Chief Of armed Response. If you was to provide me with some sort of evidence then I would dish out punishment or warnings if necessary.

You also say we never help "hobos". I myself can say I always help "Hobos" in need weather it be protecting them at aluminium processor and escorting them to Metal exports and then to the cash point or in fact if they have no money and they have no way of making money I will 9/10 times go with them to the truck shop and buy them a Hemtt Box. I believe it was @Danish who cam up to me the other day as he was afraid of getting his backpack robbed at the apple field as there where armed rebels there and i must of sat with him for a good hour and a half doing apples. 

Also I normally do a Foot Patrol in Kavala as Armed Response as I like to interact with people and make the point Armed Response can actually roleplay and we are not always here for gunfights. I ko you may be thinking thats BS you never do Foot patrols but I'm sure @Simen and @Saul Goodmancan confirm as I was with them for about and hour or 2 in kavala square roleplayng with them anc civilians. At the end of the day we are a specialised unit that tackles gun crime and major gunfights. We do our job and get on with it and everyone doesn't seem to get that. Its like NCA, NCA Are here for organised crime and drugs. 

Like i said if you have any evidence then please get in contact with me on Teamspeak or via PM im always happy to answer questions. AR will always be a problem in rebels eyes, They always have and they always will be. We are a threat to your illegal activities and we will always try and stop illegal activity on the island. That's our job. 

Look forward to hearing back from you, if you have any questions I'll be more than happy to answer them.

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 i agree with you here some of you are hear for the roleplay but allso me not just jeep has had bad exspirence with this unit and had 1 punished but all i can say you have everyone like that you have the people who are here for roleplay and others not so much personal i have had more bad then good with armed response as good said a lot of your guys try and shut rp down and gun fight but not some of you i had a pc jamie with me and my gang and he tried multiple and multiple times to try and get us to give our guns before something went down and here is were i respect armed response but every group has them points roleplayers and non roleplayer its just with the unit for me at least i have saw more non roleplayer in armed but then again some of my best exspirences have been with you guys we just need to try and find who it is and get them away from the unit (the non rp ones) but some could allso disagree and say its a friend group but still we need to get these and get them away from the unit and then we will have a well round specialised unit with nice rp as u did with mr @Danish thats my point with the armed response 

in conclusion 

the unit is definatly a good idea and shodnt go but we need to make sure the right people are joining and were getting the full rp out of them whitch there are allready a couple of people in but at the moment i think police command should be looking at the unit and make sure everyone is there for rp not just gunfights and the server is a rp server but everyone who is rping in armed response like pc jamie and u SI ryan keep it up you ppl are making the unit great and i think its a great idea get more roleplayers in there and look for the non roleplayer the unit with be in great shape and peoples view on it will change and i think its a great idea

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 i agree with you here some of you are hear for the roleplay but allso me not just jeep has had bad exspirence with this unit and had 1 punished but all i can say you have everyone like that you have the people who are here for roleplay and others not so much personal i have had more bad then good with armed response as good said a lot of your guys try and shut rp down and gun fight but not some of you i had a pc jamie with me and my gang and he tried multiple and multiple times to try and get us to give our guns before something went down and here is were i respect armed response but every group has them points roleplayers and non roleplayer its just with the unit for me at least i have saw more non roleplayer in armed but then again some of my best exspirences have been with you guys we just need to try and find who it is and get them away from the unit (the non rp ones) but some could allso disagree and say its a friend group but still we need to get these and get them away from the unit and then we will have a well round specialised unit with nice rp as u did with mr @Danish thats my point with the armed response 

in conclusion 

the unit is definatly a good idea and shodnt go but we need to make sure the right people are joining and were getting the full rp out of them whitch there are allready a couple of people in but at the moment i think police command should be looking at the unit and make sure everyone is there for rp not just gunfights and the server is a rp server but everyone who is rping in armed response like pc jamie and u SI ryan keep it up you ppl are making the unit great and i think its a great idea get more roleplayers in there and look for the non roleplayer the unit with be in great shape and peoples view on it will change and i think its a great idea

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I hear your points and they are very valid and its something we do look at closely. In my previous post I said I haven't seen any evidence. I should of said I haven't seen any evidence presented to myself however i have seen evidence in player reports and PCC's and those people where punished accordingly.

I see you mention the old friendship group chestnut. I actually had this conversation with @Reminissions The day before yesterday. Again AR will always be classed as a friendship group no matter what you do. I mean what if i was to say that when the whole AR walkout happened and we had less than 5 members that I didn't really know? Are we still a friendship group? Because that what happened.  I myself had to build up Armed Response from the ground up. If it wasn't for my command within Armed response i think Armed Response would certainly be in another place than its current state. 

As I said to Reminissions, and these are my own words I'm quoting. 

"AR has alays been called a friendship group but like you said, you cant play well with people you dont know. I mean look how bad AR was when I took over after morrisons. No one knew eachother and we where fucking terrible. But we played together and we learnt each other play tactics and now we are back to normal.
You cant please everyone so you just have to get on with it lol"

To work well together you have to have at least a mutual respect for how ones operates, If you don't work well with someone then you either need to sit down and have a chat about it and work things out. Or simply call it quits and try something else. We will always be called a friendship group no matter what happens, If you are good and can work well within a team great we will give you a chance and see how it goes, That's why we always put people on a 2 week trial when they are accepted into AR.

I will try and reiterate that we will always push for RP, however there is only so much you can do when you are faced with an angry rebels saying " If you don't fuck off you are going to die". I will always push to take a weapon from someone however if they give me high quality RP I will only take attachments and let them on there way but then on the other hand if you are telling me you have friends in the area then I'm going to do my very best to either arrest you and your Friends or if that fails eliminate you so you can cause harm to anyone else. Like i said before, It our job to deal with firearms and gunfights on the island.

The only problem I see is that when we turn up people get frustrated because they say ohh look its armed response again ready for a gunfight. That's the reputation Armed response has always had and I've been here for over 3 years now. You will never change peoples minds because its almost drilled into there head that when AR show up its going to be a gunfight. 

All I can say to everyone, Try and be talk to an Armed Response officer in a nice manner and 9/10 times they will speak to you and give you high quality RP that everyone will enjoy. Try not to just say i have friends in the area blah blah because that will probably just piss said person off and it will just end up in a gunfight.

We are not arseholes (Maybe some of us are) but just speak to us and we will give you the Roleplay you want.

SI Ryan said:

Firstly let me quote from out handbook what exactly we do. 

 The Altis Police first introduced 'Armed Response Vehicles' to the streets of Altis on 21 December 2034. These vehicles are crewed by uniformed officers who have been selected and trained to stabilise and control armed incidents, stop and search suspects, their vehicles and to search premises for armed suspects.
These officers are heavily armed and prepared to deal with major gunfights. Each Armed Response Patrol consists of 4 to 8 officers in Armed Response police uniform who patrol the island of Altis ready to attend any situation at a moment’s notice.​

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Hopefully this will clear that up.

Secondly you say we are "Lazy roleplayers". Firstly that is your own personal opinion and you are entitled to that however I would disagree. People have there own play styles and just because you've had a bad experience or whatever shouldn't dictate what you think about a unit. This always seems to happen with armed response all the blame is put back on us when in fact, I myself  never seen any sort of evidence and Chief Of armed Response. If you was to provide me with some sort of evidence then O would dish out punishment or warnings if necessary.

You also say we never help "hobos". I myself can say I always help "Hobos" in need weather it be protecting them at aluminium processor and escorting them to Metal exports and then to the cash point or in fact if they have no money and they have no way of making money I will 9/10 times go with them to the truck shop and buy them a Hemtt Box. I believe it was @Danish who cam up to me the other day as he was afraid of getting his backpack robbed at the apple field as there where armed rebels there and i must of sat with him for a good hour and a half doing apples. 

Also I normally do a Foot Patrol in Kavala as Armed Response as I like to interact with people and make the point Armed Response can actually roleplay and we are not always here for gunfights. I ko you may be thinking thats BS you never do Foot patrols but I'm sure @Simen and @Saul Goodmancan confirm as I was with them for about and hour or 2 in kavala square roleplayng with them anc civilians. At the end of the day we are a specialised unit that tackles gun crime and major gunfights. We do our job and get on with it and everyone doesn't seem to get that. Its like NCA, NCA Are here for organised crime and drugs. 

Like i said if you have any evidence then please get in contact with me on Teamspeak or via PM im always happy to answer questions. AR will always be a problem in rebels eyes, They always have and they always will be. We are a threat to your illegal activities and we will always try and stop illegal activity on the island. That's our job

Look forward to hearing back from you, if you have any questions I'll be more than happy to answer them




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Im Glad to hear that,  and you are right. 

This post was definitely made from my own perspective and seeing what other people said just built on top of that and of course, im taking the fact that people choose their own characteristics when they interact with rebels/anyone. I was hoping for a response similar to this and i also hope you understand that there is absolutely no ill-intent with this post.

The reason im calling it ''Lazy role play'' is because my interactions with AR seem to always end in the same way, this is probably why people are saying things like you are ''baiting gun fights'' and i do realise that its hard to avoid when you have a name like ''Armed response'' and this is what im trying to get at.
Of course if the situation is initiated there isn't a lot of options. but what happens in AR before that? is that simply just not part of the job?

''If you was to provide me with some sort of evidence then O would dish out punishment or warnings if necessary.'' 
Even if i put together a sweet compilation of AR members saying ''No, we can do what we want'' or just plain ignoring me as evidence, that's not what i wanted this to be about, and i don't believe anything would be solved or improved by it. 

'' We are a threat to your illegal activities and we will always try and stop illegal activity on the island. That's our job. ''

I want to see AR being the better man and not lower yourself to the state of some of the gangs here.
As a medic, technically my job description is ''to revive/heal people'' however there is a million different ways to do this and one encounter is never the same as another. Arguably people are not as hostile towards NHS-members, but surely there are always options.

Maybe this will change some opinions, rebel and AR alike.
Looking forward to seeing you prove me wrong on that role play when we meet!

Jeep_addison said:

This post was definitely made from my own perspective and seeing what other people said just built on top of that and of course, im taking the fact that people choose their own characteristics when they interact with rebels/anyone. I was hoping for a response similar to this and i also hope you understand that there is absolutely no ill-intent with this post.

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To harm done, I like constructive criticism however we never really get any. All we get is ill intent posts etc. and hopefully I've answered most of you worries/ Questions.

Jeep_addison said:

Of course if the situation is initiated there isn't a lot of options. but what happens in AR before that? is that simply just not part of the job?

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Our Job is to Protect and serve the civilians of Altis. This our role within the police force. Armed Response officers are Police Officers First however we are highly equip to deal with any situation if it arises. What i mean by that is We are Police Officers First. Then we are Armed Response officers if a situation unfolds. 

Jeep_addison said:

''If you was to provide me with some sort of evidence then O would dish out punishment or warnings if necessary.'' 
Even if i put together a sweet compilation of AR members saying ''No, we can do what we want'' or just plain ignoring me as evidence, that's not what i wanted this to be about, and i don't believe anything would be solved or improved by it. 

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I didn't mean make a compilation. What I meant by what I said was I hear all these bad things about AR officers however I've never seen any evidence of this therefore i cant work on fixing the problem. and like I said before, The only videos I've seen are on Player Reports and on PCC's and those people in question have been dealt with in the correct manor.

Jeep_addison said:

'' We are a threat to your illegal activities and we will always try and stop illegal activity on the island. That's our job. ''

I want to see AR being the better man and not lower yourself to the state of some of the gangs here.

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I understand what you are saying however we are here to deal with these sorts of situations so our lower ranks / Less Equipped police officer don't have to. Can you imagine what its like for a new PC to turn up to a situation with 8 Armed rebels with MK1's and they have to show up with MK20 5.56? They can try and Roleplay and most of the time the lower ranks can't do anything because they know full well that they are outnumbered and outgunned. Armed Response officers are here to back up these Police officers so they feel they have a sense of security. Its our job to deal with the situation in hand how we feel necessary and to make sure that Lower / Less Equipped ranks can continue to do there job as best as possible.  

Going to throw my view in here as someone who has played rebel for a fair while now and also a new cop. 

TBH some of the best cop roleplay I've had on here has been with AR.  From my experience the RP has always been really funny and chill.  I think if you go in with the mentality that they are all about gunfights and don't want to RP then you then you will have a shit experience.  Its a two way street.  

As a PCSO and other low ranking officers, having AR around can be a life saver.  Like Ryan pointed out, 9 times out of 10 i'm not going to try take rebels' weapons away then there is 8 of them, all with MK1s.  Its just not going to happen.  I feel much more confident if I know there is AR about or even more officers around in the area ready to back me up if shit hits the fan.

Yes AR can be ruthless but I think they need to be.  AR should be something that is feared but also respected.  Feared meaning if you see them turn up in a gunfight you should be thinking "shit this just got harder".  But at the same time.  If they do take you down or you meet them on the streets, they should be able to provide some quality roleplay for everyone to enjoy.

Anyway just my opinion, don't roast me too hard.

I understand aR is here to deal with the guns and gunfights on the island as there name is well armed response and this is very needed when things get sticky and it's there to protect civilians also a lot of my time on the island may or may not have resulted in police XD but with armed response because you have the reputation of gun first questions later people automatically think this is gonna turn two a gunfight but recently I have saw this changing me myself have had a bad time with them due for my pcc but recently iv saw a change more talkative officers which I really like but I think we need to advise people to talk before friends in the area and with the recent changing I believe armed response could be the pinacul of the police on altis and people could learn that ar are not just there for fights but roleplay like I said we need more people to role Play on both ends not just ar but rebel alike cause without this it is just gonna be back and forth but as i have stated I have started to like the way ar has been acting over the couple days and I do know why they are hear they are needed but we just need solid role Play between both rebel and police  and then there wont be a problem and @SI Ryan if this new doing for ar is your doing keep it up man your improving the island buy only recruiting people who are hear for role Play so from me A BIG THANK YOU for keeping ar good 

It's just a lot of us have had bad exspirences from them including me and probably jeep but I do not think they should be gone like other people it's just I think staff needs to crack down on people like this who don't like to role Play who just close down your role Play opportunity as at have done this two a lot of people but recently they have changed for the good 

P.s some of my favourite role Play has been from this unit and is a very good unit as is needed for the well being of altis

@SI Ryan Lets be honest mate, bottom line is no "team" of online players is good if they hate each other? SKT1, TSM, What ever teams in what ever games you follow have a bond of friendship....they have to so that they can achieve their best right? we have a strong group of friends in AR, who come in to finish the fights that we can't....i don't really see much of an issue with them being friends? if they hated each other? it wouldn't be a "unit" would it? lol

i think the only thing people dont like about the friend group is that they dont belive other cops they dont like will not get in armed response for example

AR= Clapped 

People change, stereotypes very rarely do. They do their job and they do it effectively. I’ve roleplayed with them as a civilian/rebel and as long as you don’t think it’s a good idea to walk around them and have a chat during a H.M Treasury then I think you’ll do just fine.

Wish i was AR so i can get alot of Likes on my reply

Kattana said:

Wish i was AR so i can get alot of Likes on my reply

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If you haven't got anything constructive to add then please feel free to find another topic to read 

SI Ryan said:

If you haven't got anything constructive to add then please feel free to find another topic to read 

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Memes

Kattana said:

Memes

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Bye  

Ive had fab rp with some AR members, not really ever had a problem with many AR members even tho they seem to be targetted the most in the police for acting “shitty” deffo seen some dodgey and controversial stuff come from them that I wont get into, but as a majority AR do well to follow their rp reasoning of being around to take down large rebel groups

I understand Armed Response have abit of shitty attitude towards people and thats just not right, i have been in a situation today with OG and we were roleplaying with them and none of us wanted a gunfight, but then the situation changed and i seen 4 armed people with High Caliber Weapons setting up around the Area because obviously they knew that we gonna arrest one of their gang members since he was wanted for 6 murders and 1 vehicle theft, i knew that Normal Police cannot handle that and my Colleague Sing approached 4 armed rebels roleplaying with them so i was scared they gonna do something to him and i called Armed Response. Armed Response came on the scene and obviously they would straight initiate on you since you have a BIG FAT GAT and you are not here to have alot of roleplay like you blame it on AR.