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Brief Summary:

I think we need to implement more things for rebels to do in game in smaller factions. Nobody does runs anymore and most big gangs are just looking to frag.

 

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I am part of Psychos, a gang that has been around for a long time. I played when were big and I have played when I have been the only active member. The things I have found that when being part of a smaller gang the game is serverly punishing for the time you spend grinding. Most of the more experienced players in bigger gangs can go around and take what they want when they want, which is fun and I do not think should be taken away as it is part of the game. However I do think that the people who do this have considerably more money then then the people losing there stuff. I think that we need to implement a way that new and small grouped players can make money faster so that they are not as punished and don't leave the server. This will help integrate new life into the server at a faster and more successful rate. Right now as someone who has played for almost 5 years I think that new players have an extremely hard time getting set up in the server and often leave. I also noticed that the server seems to have a very heavy police and Poseidon presence, meaning new rebels are often being fucked over by 'bored' Poseidon or 'bored' police who have the ability to be dicks, for no reason, without breaking the rules. Personally I don't care when someone is being a dick to me as I am more then capable of doing it and I am aware of this, however i have the money in game to just go straight back out there which new players dont. Some people will moan and criticise saying they should have to grind. This is a fair point, but the server is not the same as when I or them grinded, it is a lot harder due to the bigger, frag happy gangs and whitelisted factions. Now I am not saying all member of these groups are 'frag' happy as they are not, but there is definitely individuals who know they are and just dont care.

The Pros:

The pros of this are:
New players can keep up with older players easier.
It helps keep new players rather then piss them off and make them leave.
Brings new life to the server.

The Cons:

The cons of this are:
Some people will moan and criticise saying they should have to grind.

Does this suggestion change balance on the server ?

I think it will make rebel life slightly easier, which would be balancing the server as rebels currently get the hardest time as both cops and Poseidon get cheap gear, perks and numbers. This would encourage rebel growth and hopefully make the server more fun for newer players encouraging growth in the community.

Solutions suggestions?

Please feel free to comment any suggestions of how to fix this, here are some of my ideas.

1) Server stats reset, this will be unpopular but brings everyone onto the same level.

2) Get rid of Poseidon, again this will be unpopular, but I do not think they bring the orchestrated RP that they were designed for, if people disagree I'd love to hear of RP and interaction you've had with Poseidon recently that follow there story line! They often roll around, minimum to no RP and bore other players. This an opinion not a dig, I am merely speaking as someone who watched the rise and fall of UNMC and am currently experiencing De'ja'vu with Poseidon. (Not everyone in Poseidon does this, but you are all aware there are members who abuse there power). This will also intergrate more rebel interactions and more players playing as gangs.

3) Make certain legal runs give more money, so new players dont have police to contend with when trying to make money quickly by doing illegal runs.

4) Make certain weapons and gear cheaper, however this could backfire and cause players to care less for their lives.

All suggestions have pros and cons! There is no right answer unfortunately, please could everyone who wants to comment please comment in a mature and contributing way! There is no need to say x is wrong or y is stupid as we are an adult community and we are entitled to our opinions and want to see the server prosper I am sure!

Cheers,

Ross

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Good job for bringing this problem into the light, although that already happened many times before this post. But it is nice to see  that people are still trying to get the best out of this server! I think the problem won't change that quick, but you certainly made a step in the right direction! 🙂 

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Your solution points 1 and 2 would cause a lot of the long term remaining players to just quit and then you’d still have a broke rebel life but with even less people on the server. The problem with Poseidon is we’re completely bored, like rebels, due to lack of things to do.

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8 minutes ago, Rice Krispy said:

Your solution points 1 and 2 would cause a lot of the long term remaining players to just quit and then you’d still have a broke rebel life but with even less people on the server. The problem with Poseidon is we’re completely bored, like rebels, due to lack of things to do.

So my question to you is how 'long standing' are these players. I remember the days before UNMC and Poseidon when it was only rebels, police and NHS. The server was a lot more balanced, without a doubt. This in my opinion was the most fun, again only and opinion. As no one had perks that allowed them to act like a gang but with bonuses. You say you are bored? If you are bored RPing as Poseidon, take holiday and try something else! Dont use it as an excuse to drop in RP, if you dont think Poseidon drop in RP and go looking for trouble, please forgive me but my recent exposure to them has been poor to say the least.

If your bored as well why not try to come up with some solutions, like myself and others, it can only help benefit the server!

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I'm glad you've said it. I've only been on the island for 1 month now. The first two weeks were incredibly challanging and I did think about packing it in at one point but i was lucky enough to have met some people that were kind enough to help me out and show me the ropes. 

I think it's a difficult problem to tackle and like Rice Krispy said, resetting stats and removing poseidon aren't the way forward - People who have grinded this server for years would just quit as everything they have done would be gone. Poseidon also help poor rebels by offering support when when being attacked or robbed when doing runs; to a new player, this could also be inspiring as they may want to join the poseidon ranks in the future which would give them more of a reason to stay.

Legal runs could definitely benefit from more money,  copper runs aren't worth the risk at the moment, in my first two weeks of playing I got robbed and executed multiple times, and lost pretty much all of my welcome to altis money as they also stole my truck:) However, more money would mean more bandits but it would also make the risk to reward ratio alot more faverable. 

I don't think making gear and weapons cheaper would help either, like you said people would care less for their lifes (which would make the NHS obsolete) and I imagine more robberies would take place. 

We could use this thread as a mind map for new jobs/ things to do!
For example:

• introduce a logging site. Put the canadian lumberjack outfit to work;) It could pay more than apples/ peaches but less than glass and be a relative distance to safety I.E near kavala. 
• A 9-9-9 Dispatcher, who would work in collabaration with the police and earn a wage every 15 minutes (these may already exsist but I don't know) 
• A handyman/person much like the delivery jobs with the post office they could be given a set destination for a job and paid for doing a run. - This could also be used for RP as they could pretend to fix ATMs and cash machines in banks / fuel places. 

Just ideas but if we all put a 2 pence in we could find something that would work. :)) 

- Mason Stone

 

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1 hour ago, rossatron99 said:

If your bored as well why not try to come up with some solutions, like myself and others, it can only help benefit the server!

I have literally been advocating for changes for way over a year and you can find many of my threads and posts throughout the forums which explain in detail what can be changed to make things better. The problem is not the ideas, the problem is that the ideas are never really listened to/actioned on. We had an emergency community meeting back in August due to the fact there was quite literally 40 people on at peak times and no one had donated for 3 months. In this meeting a lot of the community brought up solid points to management which would immediately improve the server and out of the long list we came up with, maybe 1-2 things made it to the server. One of these being the mass unban of players, which while it did improve the player count, did not give anyone anything new to do. 
 

That is a post I made back in August, you can read through and see that nothing has really changed

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Hey - Wanted to start off with - Nothing said in here is meant to be anything offensive! Just putting my thoughts forward as opinions are subjective and I don't expect you to have to agree! 

Adressing the statements in order: 

1) Server stats reset, this will be unpopular but brings everyone onto the same level.

A lot of people are longstanding members of the community, and have put literal hundreds of hours into the server - This would cause a lot of players to leave, as all the hours they put in ended up meaning nothing, which isn't pleasant. I personally feel that a reset would drop the playercount heavily, and is the opposite of what the server needs! 

2) Get rid of Poseidon

So one could argue that there are definetely players in poseidon who offers the utmost unpleasureable experience for any player that isn't them, but this definetely is not the faction as a  whole. Logicially, Staff looking further into the roleplay standards (Which they are looking at doing - which is great!) - RPUK definetely needs an OPFOR faction, and poseidon is currently filling that slot. It would make more sense (to me personally anyway!) to try to customize that faction to fit the standards of roleplay. - A better route to go may be trying to implement something more they can do - Perhaps add something more similar to the casino/drugstash to defend - Give them something additional to do. Perhaps add another decently paying run in poseidon lands? - Give them an actual reason to be out and about. - From personal experience, We often notice some members of the faction coming over to queensland to fuck with cops and start a gunfight over rather ridiculous reasons - I feel the best way to combat this would be monitoring by staff (Which is already being done, again, Doing a great job so far guys!), aswell as adding more things to do for the faction, rather than just giving them the opportunity to roam around being bored. Would make a lot more sense than deleting the faction as a whole! 

3) Make certain legal runs give more money, so new players dont have police to contend with when trying to make money quickly by doing illegal runs.

Honestly - Some legal runs at the moment pays more than the actual queensland drug runs. - Rather than boosting the amount you get in legal runs (Although perhaps boosting steel a bit could be beneficial as it's a long run!) - I personally feel that boosting the regular drugs (Weed, Cocaine, Heroin, Perhaps even Meth) would mix up the game a lot - As a police officer, we catch *very* few people doing drugs - By boosting the amount made, it would balance things out a lot, as there would be risk being found by the police (quite easily avoidable in a van/truckboxer.. park inside of the warehouse when processing!), and park a bit further away and run on foot when selling at the drug dealer. - That would personally (to me anyway!) add a lot more of "High risk high reward" for more newer players! 

4) Make certain weapons and gear cheaper, however this could backfire and cause players to care less for their lives.

Players already don't sufficiently care for their life. - The issue with "playing rebel" is that the "rebels" prefer just shooting and getting into constant gunfights, not considering that maybe.. if they do a run, then calculate out how many gearsets they get from the run, then go "play rebel". They toss themselves into rebel, playing it multiple hours a day whilst making no money, then exclaim that the gear is too expensive. Perhaps the gear price isn't flawed, but the playerbase's view on it! - You don't need a MK1 every time you regear! I personally feel that this doesn't need changing as it would cause some great unbalance! 

 

These are my thoughts on each question - Hopefully you found it somewhat constructive! I do enjoy the concept and I applaud the fact that you want to improve the community - Bravo! Just need to find a nice middleground that isn't going to unbalance everything! 
Kind regards, INS Riz [9658]

EDIT: That's 3 facepalms so far! Comment and be contrustive, cite the section you don't agree with. Don't just facepalm - It's not constructive, nor helpful!

 

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Alot of valid points made. However im going to have to disagree with making legal runs worth more as then whats the point of doing illegal runs. This also just makes rebels more inclined to rob legal runs rather then illegals runs. Hence why you get rebels constantly camping diamonds.As for poseidon i think alot of work is needed but it really comes down to the people in the faction. Im sure there are many good poseidon players but quite often i find poseidon memebers searching for a gunfights. Also i feel as though alot of the fun has been taken out of doing runs as when you are a rebel you are extrememly safe doing high grade weed in poseidon lands when there are enough of them on. This eliminate all risk in doing runs and kinda makes making money very easy. I feel like runs in poseidon lands need to be looked at as it isnt really a place for RP but rather a place to farm money.

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Price manipulation seems to be a big thing so rebels please think of some revised prices please for various things. You can use the wiki to help. 

Stuff about poseidon. No the group shouldn't be removed. 

How about a new structure to each side of the island? For police a vehicle depot perhaps and say poseidon get an old Unmc munitions dump. 

If you want licensed jobs take inspiration from our fantastic fiveM. For instance blood delivery run could be a thing. 

In terms of runs I think the factory should have more to do and those more complex runs that exist should pay out more. It also ties in with the ol munitions dump. 

Mk1s should only be available to Viper and the munitions dump. 

But these are all just ideas and really give it good thought and discuss what YOU think would be great to add

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33 minutes ago, Carlo McIntosh said:

Also i feel as though alot of the fun has been taken out of doing runs as when you are a rebel you are extrememly safe doing high grade weed in poseidon lands when there are enough of them on. This eliminate all risk in doing runs and kinda makes making money very easy. I feel like runs in poseidon lands need to be looked at as it isnt really a place for RP but rather a place to farm money.

But it would be the same in the queens land if cops responded to robberies like we do. We don’t really have anything to do but patrol and check passes etc. so because of this we are usually never more than a few minutes away from any incidents on our side. It’s got to the point that we have become so efficient at responding to robberies and such that people contact us when they’re being robbed in Queensland rather than the police, because they know we will actually show up if possible. Not to say police never respond to robberies, but I don’t think anyone can call them reliable. 
 

Poseidon have been making a lot of internal suggestions recently to make things better and more interesting for us. Things such as police being able to hit our drug cache, our own pyrgos bank with a similar payout to Agios/Athira Bank and stuff like that. 
 

I just feel like a broken record on repeat though. Jaffa is a good dev and all but he doesn’t focus on the areas that need to be focused on and he also doesn’t have any real help. So updates come once every few months and even then they have only a handful of changes. Most people no longer play here for the server itself, they play here for the community that’s here. 

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i think what is a big problem on the server at the moment is the way people are playing it. back in the day when you shot someone out of the car even though you said im gonna shoot the tires you would get him a medic or give him comp. somewhere along the line the line the saying "Its the risk your willing to take" came along. it doesn't give any rp.  its just ruins all the rp what you could have had. what happens now is im gonna shoot your tires and everyone knows the only thing getting aimed at arent the tires but the head. and then you get executed or revived and put in zip ties / restrains. second problem is well its common sense your involved so im not gonna tell him to leave or ill deem him involved i think thats bs if they are in a heli,atc them or tracer them. if they keep driving around in the fight. tell them to leave or deemed involved bc alot of the time its a random guy just being their being in the cross fire. we had in athira yesterday that ciska shot a guy in an active gunfight with a mk18 on his back he could have gone well active gunfight your problem mate. but we went no just get him a medic or give him comp. because tomake the server fun again i dont think you need to remove scripts or add zones or that kinda stuff you need to change the way people play the game and want to rp and not just re spawn and just come on to frag. 

thats what i have been noticing myself and think thats the problem.

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As a Rebel there is a lot less to do now than compared to a year ago. A year ago, people were always doing runs, there were always armed people doing different run's who you didn't feel bad taking the truck from. Now, every truck I have come across in the past month seems to be complete hobos, which I won't touch as it could turn them away from the server completely. The last truck I attempted to take was months ago, and the players ended up getting banned mid fight and the trucks deleted because they had been exploting. More often than not, when I take a jet out to scout these runs, they are all clear - no vehicles in sight and no radar pings either. This already takes away something which a lot of rebels used to do which had a purpose. 

Previously, many police encounters were unwanted, where you were caught mid robbery on a truck or caught with a weapon at the worst moments - now, people go around looking for them more than ever. The redzones are quiet(IMO removing NLR will bring more activity down there and not upset anyones game play - as well as be a good money drain to the economy and bring more enjoyment to this aspect of rebel), and there seems to be a lack of aim. When people break into gang bases, they aren't doing it for what is inside, 9 times out of 10 they are doing it for the fight which comes from the people responding, and then that other 1 will be either through retaliation or another semi valid RP reason. 

I also am going to say this however - not as many people are as rich as you think. Most of the people with large amounts of money primarily play factions - yes there still are rebels who have more, however for the most part people seem to be around the 20 million mark. This isn't loads, and these people still spend 500k on loadouts. Personally, I don't know how many of these people sustain themselves, as they do not rob runs, and the only income I have seen is through redzone cash, which doesn't pay enough to constantly cover gear costs. 

Another aspect entirely to Rebel is the general relationship between them and Poseidon. It is rare for them to actually target Poseidon, and tend to stear clear when possible. They don't do the major crimes, however compared to a year ago the number of these happening has also seemed to have reduced - as I remember that the police were having them hit more often than not multiple times a restart, whereas now I rarely see them. 

Honestly, to bring back rebel life there needs to be some more larger gangs in play - as of currently there are none. When people do Banks, they are always made up of groups allying together - more often than not this is 3 or 4 groups of mates all together. Which is another issue, most groups/factions have people who are friends with people in other groups /factions, which stops things from happening between these groups. Although people may be friends out of game, in game if these friendships were to be put aside between differnet groups/factions, this could lead to more happening. If people want to be friends in game too, then they can join the same groups/faction(however this is something which needs to happen in regard to general attitude of players rather than server changes)

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2 minutes ago, Hasan Carsteinnn said:

would mk1s still be a thing for factions then?

If they were to be for unit command & trainers only or something like thay it would then be balanced if this was the way to go

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hey man i understand where your coming from but solution 1 and 2 are just not the best solutions as people that are here now and grinded there buts off will quit as there stats has been reset and new people can make the same money if this indeed gets put in the server within 2 weeks or so which i think is really unfair for the people who actually worked there butts off. Then removing poseidon i understand but i dont think it will be a good idea as we need some sort of balance in the server with good and bad its a good thing cause it makes it harder to do things which when you get your run done and didn't get robbed or killed or anything like that it makes runs more rewarding and it feels like you achieved something. Also if you do runs with like 20% of getting robbed your gonna get bored fast as there is nothing to fear so nothing exciting is going to happen. With removing the stats of everyone will also result in everyone doing runs and nobody does why this server is here Roleplay as everyone wants his money back nobody bothers to Roleplay anymore and will do runs until they have enough money again.

But what we can do is let everything as it is now but indeed runs like aluminium and copper can indeed be worth more so new players get money easier and get on the same level as the guys that have been player for a very long time. And also if you remove everyones thats right now new people who know what theyre doing instead of RDMing or VDMing and are doing runs have some money now and are proud of that if you remove that again from them they will also leave (not only them but explained that already).

so yeah my conclusion is no dont reset everyone's stats no dont remove poseidon yes let legal runs as aluminium and copper be worth more so new players can have a better start.

Note: dont mind the grammar my speaking is better then writing.

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I was quite encouraged reading most of your post and then quickly switched emotions at points 1 & 2. 

As said above I don't think taking those actions would be beneficial to our veteran player base

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8 minutes ago, William The Bastard said:

ive sank way to much time into this server . I can say for a fact that if the stats reset i would never come back and i think alot of people would agree with me

i agree with that as i said alot of people worked there butts off to get what they want and then everything would just be for nothing.

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We need a rebel rep that can speak on behalf of the rebel community , preferably elected, they get a chance to be in the loop server development wise and get a chance to voice there opinion on up incoming features that might effect rebels, they will also converse with rebels on there opinions aswell, not to say that they have any command over other rebel groups but they can be there as a point of contact for rebels when they have problems with police/NHS/Poseidon.

 

Its just a thought but I think its something that a lot of people would want given by the amount of feedback I got last time we suggested something like this.

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8 minutes ago, MrLongSlong said:

We need a rebel rep that can speak on behalf of the rebel community , preferably elected, they get a chance to be in the loop server development wise and get a chance to voice there opinion on up incoming features that might effect rebels, they will also converse with rebels on there opinions aswell, not to say that they have any command over other rebel groups but they can be there as a point of contact for rebels when they have problems with police/NHS/Poseidon.

 

Its just a thought but I think its something that a lot of people would want given by the amount of feedback I got last time we suggested something like this.

sounds cool what else we can do is from every rebel group 1 group rep and then sort of parlement and they can debate about stuff so its not 1 over 10 groups but 10 who speak for 10  groups.

most groups already have a group REP but almost has no purpose to the group REP this way the group REP has more to do and its more serious and fun and can lead to great RP and then some kind of parlement building IG where they debate

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we need a big old community meeting again xoxo

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1 hour ago, Stormm said:

sounds cool what else we can do is from every rebel group 1 group rep and then sort of parlement and they can debate about stuff so its not 1 over 10 groups but 10 who speak for 10  groups.

most groups already have a group REP but almost has no purpose to the group REP this way the group REP has more to do and its more serious and fun and can lead to great RP and then some kind of parlement building IG where they debate

I like your idea of actually giving the group rep thing a use, I think that the Rebel rep should organise meetings with all other group reps , they can organise things such as Treasuries etc and also raise issues with development etc.

 

What I miss from rebel life is the organised crime I re watched the stone mans guide and it just remained me of times when people would commit crimes for a reason to send a message etc, instead of just out of the blue robbery's and stuff, I think bringing some sort of structure to rebel life will definitively increase its appeal, but the same can be said for both police, I would like to know what sort of secret operations they are currently doing, are they going after anyone? do they have any plans to get into rebel gangs etc, because at the moment everything is random , you see that you can rob aithra bank so you go and do it, theres no operations threes basically no organisation.

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