Mass Unban

[Barry C]

Personally i have seen a massive decline of the server population and i believe if we were to unban most players, obviously not the people that are 1.6'd for example or people found cheating, but the players that have done things not so bad. E.g RDM, NVL and been sent away forever.

I think this would help the server population a lot and would bring gangs and factions back to life like they used to be. I really enjoy this server and dont want to see it die so i think this would be the best case scenario.

This might also bring old players that have left due to their friends being banned. I understand there might be bad eggs that also come back, however these people will slowly begin to filter themselves out again.

Atleast with this people who made a silly mistake are able to come back and have another chance and prove that they can be trusted to play the server and follow the rules.

 

[AIan]

Some players report new people who clearly have no idea about rules like combat logging. Then those players end up with a month cooldown, which basically drives them away for good they’re unlikely to come back after that.

On top of that, there are situations where people report others they already know, even though they’re aware another ban could mean that player is permanently gone. Reporting just for the sake of getting someone removed isn’t the right mentality.

Players should really think twice before making petty reports over small mistakes

 

[Taelor]

+1 open the gates!

 

[Dante]

If people focused on creating storylines and stopped no-lifeing grind for money to buy the next new shiny car they'd be motivated to log-on more frequently. I think most people do what I just said and they get burnt out. There are not many people focused on story-lines or character progression. I think that ultimately alongside too many gunfights for too little is what drops a community's population.

I personally don't agree that everyone's bans should be lifted. Maybe, some more leniency on the duration of bans but ultimately said people would end up being banned after.

 

[Ronnie Mush]

Players don't want to play with rule breakers, they want them removed.

Now they're removed, they want them back.

There are so so many players, some even in this thread, that ask staff to come sit in on liaisons, review a piece of footage, ask if somethings a rulebreak, open tickets to cry that another gang is breaking rules/war rules, action reports over very small slights. These very same players are the ones complaining about the decline in the player base.

The simple question is, what do you want from the staff team? Is this just some form of venting?

We dedicate alot of our free time to ensuring this sandbox is a fair and fun environment for you guys to play in. To undo all that work and allow these problem players back to the community is a joke in most cases. Whilst alot of community members may not agree with the methods we follow, I can assure you that the procedures are there for a reason.

Jeep has raised an actual point that could be reviewed, and that is to do with combat logging. This is something thats been looked into as of recent months, and we have changed things up a litte.

If any one else has points that we can look into, please bring them up. But I think a mass unban is just not a solution for anything. (Though it may've worked in arma, it wouldnt be the same in fivem, due to the nature of the game). But do try to keep it concise, so it doesn't get lost in the wind.

After reading a bunch of the comments within this thread.
The main idea of it is basically giving the people that got banned another FINAL chance open the doors for those that got banned for things that don't involve cheating, doxxing etc, however more give a final chance to those banned for other things, I understand they have built a bad reputation for them selves however based on what people have said it's what a majority would like, some people may disagree with it. Put the people unbanned on FBS and if they mess up in a certain amount of time (6 months for example )then close the doors for good.

Yes some people may seem this as harsh however if it is there final chance what would you expect, some people get 3 months to behave etc etc. It would be nice to see what happens with this outcome. I agree with some of the points made and I also disagree. At the moment the server consists of a lack within the 'gang' scene however it is just gangs make guns and drugs, drugs to make money and using that money to buy guns however you don't see as much use of the guns anymore within the gang scene, I'm sure someone will reply to this saying that there is alot more then just doing guns and drugs, I understand that but that is somewhat how it is at the moment and it just seems a bit dry, these people that have been banned for said amount of time could either be really appreciative from the chance staff have gave them or be absolute cunts, at the end of the day it is a 50/50 chance.

Some people may agree some people may disagree.

I would like to add as well, the combat logging that Jeep mentioned is very true, I feel like the rule should be re-worked a little bit.
Essentially if you get a report with evidence of someone combat logging that is valid. But then you see unban appeals of people not realizing, if they are down but not in any RP and they log out they can still get banned. I feel like there should be an exception especially when it is early hours in the morning due to sometimes it not being the players fault, i can name countless amount of times a local has just spawned in front of me and that then causes me to be "incapacitated" with no NHS on and barely any players on, maybe when there is not any NHS online re-work it so medically trained police can assist in situations like this but only when there is not any NHS on for example police will get access to NHS jobs when there is none online.

At the end of the day this thread is purely for those to speak out about there opinions on the mass unban, don't cry if you disagree. xo

 

[Miyoko]

+1 I saw some other servers doing massive unbans and it worked quite well. Also I never get the reason of permanent banning people. As I strongly support and believe in 2nd chances, shall it be cheating or whatever reason. Even in Games like Valorant or League of Legends you get a second chance if you cheated (4 months HWID ban and permanent account ban) or did something else. Not really comparable as the staff team here does it on a voluntary basis, but a proper anti cheat which detects a cheat the moment it opens would fix many problems if a mass unban ever happened.

Even though some deserve not to return ever, but if those people would decide to come back it'd be easy to dispose of them.

 

[Miyoko]

So why should some random Donny who came here exploited and did mass rdm with a sprinkle of racism get unbanned without having to prove they can come back into the community to be a benefit to It?

By the way I'm not trying to be a dick it's just you seem the most vocal here about it but I would presume you understand why it done like it is?

It's pretty understandable why it's done like this, but it's also sad to see the population of the server decline, the gang scene dying.

Many other servers did mass unbans as well and 90% of the time you have in the first 3 days some people who cause chaos but those are often the exception. I wouldn't consider someone who got banned for RDM or mass RDM years ago but doesn't want or doesn't go through the unban appeal process a threat as they MIGHT have changed. The ban system is already fair and should stay. But doing a mass unban could solve the problems with the gang scene dying, the server population declining.
And as long as this would be THE only mass unban wave I personally wouldn't see a problem with that, as in this scenario it could and most likely will be manageable to remove the nuisances again.

 

[Joe Scrub]

@Miyoko Unbanning cheaters is insane work.

 

[Miyoko]

@Miyoko Unbanning cheaters is insane work.

Works with riot games though, but they can stay banned, but mass unban means everyone for me and not just a specific group of people.

 

[Kieffer]

Didn't think ad see ma name floating about an rpuk form.

 

[JB_]

The gang scene killed itself when wars turned into ego lead report wars instead of people having a mature conversation and letting small things slide.
I've logged in every day this week(almost) for the first time in forever and the gang scene is just non existent. You could drop the server cap to 250 and still never fill it up. Would be great if it could get a 2nd wind but I think the changes need would be too major.

EDIT - I was perm banned for over 2 years on a 1.6 and told I could never come back. The 2nd chance is there for pretty much everyone who puts in the effort and shows they deserve it.

 

[MrTurdTastic]

Works with riot games though, but they can stay banned, but mass unban means everyone for me and not just a specific group of people.

It works with Riot because they make a profit from their game.

The incentive for them is to generate more revenue; RPUK has no such incentive.
(This is a personal view and not representative of the staff team)

 

[Samuel Shire]

The gang scene killed itself when wars turned into ego lead report wars instead of people having a mature conversation and letting small things slide.
I've logged in every day this week(almost) for the first time in forever and the gang scene is just non existent. You could drop the server cap to 250 and still never fill it up. Would be great if it could get a 2nd wind but I think the changes need would be too major.

EDIT - I was perm banned for over 2 years on a 1.6 and told I could never come back. The 2nd chance is there for pretty much everyone who puts in the effort and shows they deserve it.

i agree the kind of reports that go up are so petty sometimes its gone more towards lets win this war by banning the other group
when you see a report for something like, we planned on killing and dumping him anyway but he punched one of us when we had 3 guns on him so he got shot therefore NVL but maybe he just wanted to go out swinging as they knew they wouldn't come out alive in this situation

some are yea 100% legit reports but so so many of them are petty and could be overlooked or just had a chat in QE and explained

but yes alot of gangs have reported to death, tho this should fall on gang leads to sort out

 

[John 'JP' Paul]

Very interesting topic this.

There are people out there that have been unjustly banned, myself included, I’ve done everything in my power to return to this city but no such luck as I’ve been cast away.

Just to prove how hard it is to provide evidence of me being innocent, I have sent in multiple tickets, sat in team speak multiple times trying to get answers, sent in multiple screenshots/videos to prove my innocence, even written up multiple unban appeals with hard evidence and facts that I’m innocent and yet I get the cold shoulder from staff..

I would also like to add, my record is squeaky clean. No bans through the fbs, no kicks or anything, yet I’m being treated like I’ve broken every rule under the sun.

I was banned under a C2.1 rule break, which in my case never even happened. On the day of the alleged ‘rule break’ I didn’t get the chance to back myself. Took the word from someone else without doing a simple bit of investigation by getting facts or even speaking to me about what happened.

I loved this server, I was dedicated to this server and I grinded this server hard to have it all taken away from me because of some information I received in city about a certain individual.

This is a +1 for me, I would love a second chance to come back and play this server again as like I’ve said before in my previous unban appeals, I’ve made friends for life on this server and even have family playing it too.

 

[Miyoko]

Very interesting topic this.

There are people out there that have been unjustly banned, myself included, I’ve done everything in my power to return to this city but no such luck as I’ve been cast away.

Just to prove how hard it is to provide evidence of me being innocent, I have sent in multiple tickets, sat in team speak multiple times trying to get answers, sent in multiple screenshots/videos to prove my innocence, even written up multiple unban appeals with hard evidence and facts that I’m innocent and yet I get the cold shoulder from staff..

I would also like to add, my record is squeaky clean. No bans through the fbs, no kicks or anything, yet I’m being treated like I’ve broken every rule under the sun.

I was banned under a C2.1 rule break, which in my case never even happened. On the day of the alleged ‘rule break’ I didn’t get the chance to back myself. Took the word from someone else without doing a simple bit of investigation by getting facts or even speaking to me about what happened.

I loved this server, I was dedicated to this server and I grinded this server hard to have it all taken away from me because of some information I received in city about a certain individual.

This is a +1 for me, I would love a second chance to come back and play this server again as like I’ve said before in my previous unban appeals, I’ve made friends for life on this server and even have family playing it too.

A friend of mine is in the same situation, banned under C2.1, but never did anything in that way. He grinded the server still till the last day until he got banned, 2 Appeals both rejected. I doubt that they have an Anti Cheat which shows how you cheat, what you have, just bold assumptions under some Clips. And the fact that he dedicated all of his free time on the Server speaks for me already against that he did any C2.1 rule break


(I COULD BE WRONG THOUGH and staff have indefinite proof that he did something, but thats just from my perspective)

 

[Miyoko]

It works with Riot because they make a profit from their game.

The incentive for them is to generate more revenue; RPUK has no such incentive.
(This is a personal view and not representative of the staff team)

No doubt thats a good point, I know this Server isn't profit oriented, I still think the logic of Riot applies also here, simply in 1 point,

Everyone does mistakes, many will change if given another chance. And more importantly if this ever happens, I could see the Server thrive again. I have been going on recently again and it just isn't the same as it was before. With that mass unban you could get such a huge population boost for the Server. The gang scene might be getting alive again.

Fuck cheaters in all honesty. But again from my experience on other servers, mass unbans worked quite well, and overnight you had a population boost from around 90 people to +200. Firstly it would be a bit more stressful to filter the people out who will be a nuisance, but those are MOSTLY in the minority, I strongly believe in 2nd chances for anyone. Even 'cheaters'. For me it is always a case to case basis, some will always be cheaters, but some might not have done anything and still got banned. Some other servers, have an anti cheat and it takes a screenshot or a short video of the cheaters screen, and this would be enough, to bust the people claiming they have been banned innocently.

I would even offer myself if a mass unban ever happens to volunteer as 'staff' for the moment when people do get mass unbanned. For the time frame till the chaos is over, if there will even be chaos. And would get the staff rights stripped away immediately as I would just love to support the mass unban in general. Just to make this work.

I haven't seen any better server than this one, and it's just saddening me to see it 'die' in this way, population and gang wise.

DISCLAIMER:

This is a bit personal too, as my friend has been banned in front of me, while grinding. And this made me partly go inactive, just coming online here and there. And I personally think he is one of those people who would benefit from this. He has been using all of his free time to play on the Server and grind. Made many good friends, and then out of nowhere I see him being banned.

I would love to see the Server thrive again.

Cheers.

 

[AIan]

@Miyoko Unbanning cheaters doesn’t bring activity, it just brings more cheating

 

[Miyoko]

@Miyoko Unbanning cheaters doesn’t bring activity, it just brings more cheating

With a proper anti cheat before the mass unban it won't bring cheating. Like FiveGuard or any other AC which can takes momentarily pictures of someones screen or detects any other activity. Plus with that you have proper proof if someone cheats. As I don't know till this day, what kind of anti cheat this Server has and how effective it is. But I saw before some days someone driving with like 500 MPH on a bike killing people. But THOSE cases would be filtered out really quickly. As the moment they inject the cheat into the client/server they're 90% of the time banned immediately, the moment they open a wall hack banned immediately or anything similar, which could cause Chaos. And the other few exceptions who might be coming will just be sorted out manually, if they somehow bypass the AC.

Usually I would agree with you if it was a game like CS GO, Team Fortress 2 or Rust. But it ain't.

 

[AIan]

With a proper anti cheat before the mass unban it won't bring cheating. Like FiveGuard or any other AC which can takes momentarily pictures of someones screen or detects any other activity. Plus with that you have proper proof if someone cheats. As I don't know till this day, what kind of anti cheat this Server has and how effective it is. But I saw before some days someone driving with like 500 MPH on a bike killing people. But THOSE cases would be filtered out really quickly. As the moment they inject the cheat into the client/server they're 90% of the time banned immediately, the moment they open a wall hack banned immediately or anything similar, which could cause Chaos. And the other few exceptions who might be coming will just be sorted out manually, if they somehow bypass the AC.

Usually I would agree with you if it was a game like CS GO, Team Fortress 2 or Valorant. But it ain't.

Anti-cheat won’t fix the core issue as cheaters are still cheaters.
Even with the best anti-cheat, people will always try to bypass it, it’s an endless cat and mouse game. Mass unbanning just opens the door for people who have already proven they don’t respect the rules. Why should we reward people who ruined the server once by giving them another shot to ruin it again? That doesn’t build long term activity, it just creates chaos until they’re caught again. The only real growth is keeping the server clean from cheaters, not bringing them back.

 

[Miyoko]

Anti-cheat won’t fix the core issue as cheaters are still cheaters.
Even with the best anti-cheat, people will always try to bypass it, it’s an endless cat and mouse game. Mass unbanning just opens the door for people who have already proven they don’t respect the rules. Why should we reward people who ruined the server once by giving them another shot to ruin it again? That doesn’t build long term activity, it just creates chaos until they’re caught again. The only real growth is keeping the server clean from cheaters, not bringing them back.

That's simply not true for FiveM servers. I've been seeing and supporting several of such actions and every server has been getting better player wise. From 100 to 300 a year straight. Old players will return. Plus the reason why this would be happening is, if there is no AC at all. Yes some will try to bypass it, but never ever public cheats what the reason is why most servers are plagued with cheaters.

There doesn't even have to be constant supervision. As no server can do that. Plus just saying Leagues Vanguard has almost the same Features and has a over 99% Hit rate. Just as some FiveM AC got. It's not the first time a server decided to mass unban people. And in the ones I was in, no one ever got put into chaos even if they had 400+ players and younger ones. So why would RP UK be the same, with a player base of around +200 people.


Mass unban means everyone. There are so many stories about people who cheated and came back and didn't do it at all anymore, because they had a non mature mind. Some got falsely banned. Some never returned. And then there is a few who come back but get swiftly sorted out. Plus those bans ARE just a fraction of players who'd be coming back. A cheater is not always a cheater, and some never touched it and still got banned for it. A person who insulted you 5 years ago while just turning 18, is probably not gonna insult you again 5 years after when their mind has matured

While Vanguard is Kernel Level AC, the ones like FiveGuard is not, the hit rate is still that good, that it can prevent lots, plus if Staff is just as they are now with the support of the anti cheat there will be barely anyone cheating.

In what world would we live in to assume that everyone who did something can't, won't change or never changed.

I have been toxic as hell some years ago. But now after my mind has matured a bit more, I became more rational and respectful. So shouldn't I get a second chance in society because I've been toxic in the past? Might be an extreme example, but this is literally how people are treated here once rejected completely.

If you have barely any empathy or sympathy and only see the bad in persons. Then yeah I would also have this view. Maybe you do have it, but the view of most of the people here is black and white. Cold and literally throwing away every other person who has ever been here. Generalizing every one, putting them into 1 corner, is what I despise about nowadays society. You can't generalize people. A group of people (except in extreme cases, but those are dealt OTHERWISE and not in a roleplay Server.) Don’t treat everyone as the same see individuals for who they are.

Some people are rotten to the core. But those are a minority just again, which can be swiftly ousted the instant they do anything stupid. We are humans and humans are all indiviually different.

Someone who gets a crashout and insults someone on accident because the situation heated up, gets permanently banned, with no chance of return. But afterwards goes to his friends Grave every year to mourn for him and goes to fox shelters and helps other animals and donates money to charity, doesn't seem like a bad person to me. Which he would be framed afterwards if rejected definitely.

 

[Leroy C]

Someone who gets a crashout and insults someone on accident because the situation heated up, gets permanently banned, with no chance of return. But afterwards goes to his friends Grave every year to mourn for him and goes to fox shelters and helps other animals and donates money to charity, doesn't seem like a bad person to me. Which he would be framed afterwards if rejected definitely.

What's any of that got to do with RPUK? I can donate 10k to charity today and get swayed into downloading a cheat menu tomorrow