Report a player - Ballas and Others - GTA RP

Bren104 · Apr 24, 2025

Server: GTA RP
Your Character Name: Buffington Egan
Reported Players: Ballas and Others
Date: Apr 24, 2025
Time: 14:50
What best describes this incident: RDM
Please (in detail) describe the incident: Whilst patrolling, I responded to reports of drug dealing outside Cypress Tower where I saw a large amount of individuals on motorbikes. There were lots of individuals dealing in what I assume must have been the hotzone at the time. I am in a marked police vehicle so my presence is known immediately. I begin to drive around using ANPR to capture reg plates and this begins to draw comments from the drug dealers. All that is said are comments such as make sure you get the plates and you're not that guy pal.

A few moments go by where I continue to scan reg plates. I am not saying anything to them and they are not saying anything to me other than an odd "fuck off". There is no substantive conversation and no roleplay. I was in effect powerless to deter the drug dealing so I elected to put on the lights and sirens of the patrol car in order to disperse the crowd.

This does not have any effect and the group continue to make their money openly selling drugs. As I am driving around attempting to disperse the crowd, not a single person in the group asked me to leave the area or engaged with any roleplay with me. No one spoke with me and I spoke with no one as people just continued to openly deal drugs. My objective was to cause disturbance to the dealers with the view to move them on from the area.

As I was driving around, a few of the ballas begin to hit into my car and prevent me from driving around. All that was said is "you are not that guy". The ballas car then begins to ram me. I asked them why are you ramming me to which they replied via pulling out an SMG and asking me to get out of the car. I drove off before anymore Ballas could draw their firearms in an attempt to escape. I was then chased down and shot outside MRPS.

At no stage was I issued with any warnings to leave the area. At no stage did anybody engage with any form of roleplay with me. It is as if a large group of drug dealers dealing in the middle of the day was perplexed and confused that their open drug dealing would attract police attention. People in OOC stated that it was baiting. How could police responding to crime be baiting, what is the purpose of police then?

I asked the Ballas to come to QE but was met with this message; https://i.gyazo.com/fe0fcca38e17b9083906f7337174a744.png. However, after a few moments a few ballas did come to QE and claimed that me driving off was NVL and stated that they did nothing wrong. When the Balla member drew his gun, he was the only one to do so and they also left a gap for me to drive off. It would have been a different story had they coordinated the action however, only one gun was aimed at me and I was facing in a direction that I could escape so I elected for that option.

Police responding to crime and utilising dispersal tactics when a response cannot be initiated is done every day on the server. People want to deal drugs with impunity and forget that this is a roleplay server with a police service - of course there is going to be a response if police are online. Not one person engaged in any substantive roleplay with me prior to drawing a gun and shooting at me apart from saying "fuck off" and "you're not that guy pal". Do people want to roleplay on the server or do they want to grind to make easy money, doesn't seem like a very sustainable philosophy.

I have attached recordings of the incident from my arrival at the drug dealing calls to the shootout outside MRPS.

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Rouble · Apr 24, 2025

Bren104 said:
Reported Players: Ballas and Others

"& others" that includes me since I was there. What you did there was silly; you were alone, many crims around, and on top of that you decided to put your sirens on and annoy everyone. What you were doing is baiting, it's as if you wanted a reaction out of us, you got it. If I had a gun I would've have shot you too

Martt · Apr 24, 2025

Evening,

I'll be speaking on behalf of Balla's and explaining our point of views and why this is not RDM.

Bren104 said:
what is the purpose of police then?

Id firstly like to point out that Balla's know you're doing your job as a 'police officer' and we have no issues with that. You're entitled to your responses however you like. But as your well aware, there may be risks involved. You began to scan everyone's plates which presented to you markers of 'Violence' & 'Weapons'. With the markers provided, YOU decided to stay and run the risk of whatever could/may happen.

We were aware that you were patrolling ALONE which gave us the idea to take you and extend roleplay. However this was cut short when you decided to flee the scene after being told clear instructions to 'Get out of the fucking car' (3rd video at 30 seconds) with a machine gun pointed at your face and two pistols to the right and behind. You were then chased down and shot after you did not follow our clear instructions. After your tires were shot you still began to drive away and try to get yourself safe at MRPD, id also like to add that you smashed into a pillar at 90mph and failed to provide any signs of injuries G1.8 Fail Driving - Unrealistic driving is not permitted. Unrealistic driving is defined as performing unrealistic stunt jumps, driving off the side of cliffs/highways and driving on like nothing happened, and driving at extremely excessive speeds while in urban areas. During police chases excessive speed is permitted. If you experience an accident then you are expected to roleplay out the accident, both from your health perspective and the damage to your vehicle. , talking normally. Overall, you ran the risk and you alternatively paid the price.

I will also mention you were told many times to 'fuck off' which is a clear and obvious instruction. You stated your self that 'I am not saying anything to them'. How do you expect someone to Roleplay/Conversate if you haven't said a single word. Driving around with lights on could mean a handful of things.. if you wanted us to disperse the area then you should be using your voice and giving clear instructions like we did. Do you think driving around with lights on saying NO WORDS is high quality roleplay for criminals to interact with?

Bren104 said:
hen the Balla member drew his gun, he was the only one to do so

This is not the case at all, as you can clearly see in the clip you provided there were THREE guns aimed at you, as you started to accelerate.

Can I ask why you have decided to trim your clips and haven't provided a clip that must include 3-5 minutes of unedited footage before the alleged rule break occurs so staff can gain some idea of context and lead-up. As clearly instructed on the Wiki Page.

Ultimately, crims are doing what crims are here to do and Police are doing what police are meant to do.

If staff have any questions ill be happy to answer

Bren104 · Apr 29, 2025

Rouble said:
"& others" that includes me since I was there. What you did there was silly; you were alone, many crims around, and on top of that you decided to put your sirens on and annoy everyone. What you were doing is baiting, it's as if you wanted a reaction out of us, you got it. If I had a gun I would've have shot you too

Putting sirens on and trying to prevent crime from occurring isn't trying to annoy anyone nor was I trying to get a reaction, I just wanted people to leave the area but I appreciate your comments very constructive. I included others because I was not entirely sure who was involved in shooting me. I knew Ballas were present as were other persons as you correctly pointed out so apologies if you felt targeted. Being annoyed doesn't justify shooting at police but in any event, you didn't so thank you for clarifying.

Martt said:
Evening,

I'll be speaking on behalf of Balla's and explaining our point of views and why this is not RDM.

Id firstly like to point out that Balla's know you're doing your job as a 'police officer' and we have no issues with that. You're entitled to your responses however you like. But as your well aware, there may be risks involved. You began to scan everyone's plates which presented to you markers of 'Violence' & 'Weapons'. With the markers provided, YOU decided to stay and run the risk of whatever could/may happen.

We were aware that you were patrolling ALONE which gave us the idea to take you and extend roleplay. However this was cut short when you decided to flee the scene after being told clear instructions to 'Get out of the fucking car' (3rd video at 30 seconds) with a machine gun pointed at your face and two pistols to the right and behind. You were then chased down and shot after you did not follow our clear instructions. After your tires were shot you still began to drive away and try to get yourself safe at MRPD, id also like to add that you smashed into a pillar at 90mph and failed to provide any signs of injuries G1.8 Fail Driving - Unrealistic driving is not permitted. Unrealistic driving is defined as performing unrealistic stunt jumps, driving off the side of cliffs/highways and driving on like nothing happened, and driving at extremely excessive speeds while in urban areas. During police chases excessive speed is permitted. If you experience an accident then you are expected to roleplay out the accident, both from your health perspective and the damage to your vehicle. , talking normally. Overall, you ran the risk and you alternatively paid the price.

I will also mention you were told many times to 'fuck off' which is a clear and obvious instruction. You stated your self that 'I am not saying anything to them'. How do you expect someone to Roleplay/Conversate if you haven't said a single word. Driving around with lights on could mean a handful of things.. if you wanted us to disperse the area then you should be using your voice and giving clear instructions like we did. Do you think driving around with lights on saying NO WORDS is high quality roleplay for criminals to interact with?

This is not the case at all, as you can clearly see in the clip you provided there were THREE guns aimed at you, as you started to accelerate.
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Can I ask why you have decided to trim your clips and haven't provided a clip that must include 3-5 minutes of unedited footage before the alleged rule break occurs so staff can gain some idea of context and lead-up. As clearly instructed on the Wiki Page.

Ultimately, crims are doing what crims are here to do and Police are doing what police are meant to do.

If staff have any questions ill be happy to answer

I accept some of what you have said here but I'll address a few things

1) Why couldn't any of this have been conveyed in the liaison. What was said in the liaison was totally different to what you're saying here. The liaison was not productive and focused entirely on how you had the view that I was baiting which justified the shooting but I was not. No views were conveyed to me about prolonging the roleplay, had they have been, I wouldn't have taken the time to engage with a player report.

2) As I outlined ditto and can be seen in the attached videos, only one firearm was visible and there was a clear opportunity to escape so I took it. I never saw what was behind me so I could I know the others had drawn their firearms.

3) The clips are unedited, you will note that they roll into one another. I tabbed out for a brief second and chose not to include private information on a public forum which is why I broke up the two clips. I think it is pretty obvious that there is nothing of value lost from clipping it for a second as when both clips are viewed concurrently, you can get a full view of what happened. The ANPR from the second clip is still visible in the third clip, nothing of merit is lost.

4) I think this is a poor attempt at stating what I did was unrealistic driving/fail driving. Your group has engaged previously in driving that hits all of the proofs that you described above, do not throw stones in glass houses, but I digress.

I felt wronged by what happened. From my viewpoint, I was shot because I attempted to prevent drug dealing from happening. I accept that I was outnumbered which is why I decided to take the course of action that I did, disrupt as opposed to combat the drug dealing. What I did was not "annoying" or "baiting". "Fuck Off" aren't clear instructions and is a totally ambiguous phrase. It could mean a multitude of things such as just an insult or expressing anger, not just necessarily leave the area. As I said before, nothing else was said to me other than fuck off prior to guns being drawn. In any event, I am really regretful that the views that you have displayed above were not expressed during the liaison.

Scott · May 2, 2025

Good evening,

@Bren104 Unfortunately, we do require unedited footage. This has been edited. I understand your reasons, which is why, if you can, please open a ticket with staff and post the unedited recording for us to attach privately and review for the report. Please explain why in a ticket or here if you cannot do this.

Do you believe you could've done anything better in that scenario? Anything different?

@Martt

What was the plan if you did grab the officer?
Do you believe the roleplay you and the Ballas provided was quality roleplay? Do you think there could've been improvements? If you could do a 'do-over', would you change anything?

Martt · May 3, 2025

Hi Scott,

Hope you’re good.

Scott said:
What was the plan if you did grab the officer?

I believe there was many roleplay avenues this could have took, providing the officer met our demands. At the time balla’s and the police have had many altercations/shootouts in recent weeks, which could lead to warrants etc.. We were hoping to take the officer and get him to provide us with some crucial information that might help us. Ultimately, anything could have happened but didn’t due to the officer fleeing the scene and taking a life threatening chance.

Scott said:
Do you believe the roleplay you and the Ballas provided was quality roleplay?

I don’t think we were given the chance to show any roleplay after the officer drove off with 3 guns pointed at him. We stuck to our demand. We did in fact provide some roleplay to another officer that turned up to the scene, which lead to the ‘downed’ officer in this report, being taken to pillbox.

Scott said:
Do you think there could've been improvements? If you could do a 'do-over', would you change anything?

There’s always room for improvement and not everything is going to be top-notch perfect. If I was to ‘do over’ the situation I would try and disable the police car before resorting to ‘downing’ the officer. However this was proving difficult due to the speeds the chase presented and most of the ballas sitting on bikes which means we can’t TC the car.

Martt · May 3, 2025

Bren104 said:
1)

I cannot speak about the liaison as I was not there at the time, due to being busy.

Bren104 said:
I never saw what was behind me

This again is a lie. The screenshot I provided in my first reply was from YOUR very own clip. Before taking a life threatening choice, shouldn’t you be aware of your surroundings before deciding? It’s not our fault you didn’t choose to be more self aware.

Bren104 said:
I think this is a poor attempt at stating what I did was unrealistic driving/fail driving.

You spoke normally after crashing your car in a chase at about 90mph.. what you did after was VERY unrealistic. I know if I were to hit something at that speed I would at least try to attempt to be injured/distressed by expressing it in my voice.

Bren104 said:
Your group has engaged previously in driving that hits all of the proofs that you described above

Very wild accusation to be making, seems like you’re clutching at straws. If you feel a rule was broken at the time why wasn’t this reported? We are talking about this current situation at hand and not any previous so please refrain from using it as it’s pointless.

Bren104 said:
"Fuck Off" aren't clear instructions and is a totally ambiguous phrase.

This term is decided on the situation. You said yourself that did not talk to anyone. Therefore, the term ‘fuck off’ in this situation means only 1 thing, to GO AWAY. If you were to interact with me with a conversation then I would understand with it being ambiguous, but it’s not.

Charles Vane · May 4, 2025

Once again this morning im baffled.

So, you as a LONE cop go to a "hot zone" on your own. Drive around scanning plates saying not a single word until after about 5 minutes of driving around all these approximately 15 criminals. Then the only word you speak is when there actually shooting you almost 10 minutes at a guess into you turning up there alone.

They warned you about the sirens specifically too. What you have done here is clearly baiting. You were not trying to "do your job" because you made no attempt at actual policing. Calling for backup or anything. You were simply there to wind people up and provoke a reaction. The people there as already mentioned all were gang members, all had firearms markers. You got the reaction you wanted here.

So, the officer here will be receiving a 1 day ban for baiting.

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