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Revive the crim life!!!

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G.Mendes said:
I don't think its nerfing but more of a balance, Crims always are for nerfing themselves when it comes to Markys, Smgs, Shotguns but why feds can never see a little change to see what it does.

Today there was a combined 58 feds/G6 in a 200 pop server, Something needs to change or its going to be feds cuffing other feds soon.

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Been there done that. I ran Professional Standards when corruption was allowed, what an endless task that was.

But yea I kinda get it. 52 cops when I came online today at 8pm, never seen so many to tell you the truth. It's usually 30 odd.
 
G.Mendes said:
I don't think its nerfing but more of a balance, Crims always are for nerfing themselves when it comes to Markys, Smgs, Shotguns but why feds can never see a little change to see what it does.

Today there was a combined 58 feds/G6 in a 200 pop server, Something needs to change or its going to be feds cuffing other feds soon.

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I think some of that was due to a raid as they pre-plan that stuff
 
G.Mendes said:
I don't think its nerfing but more of a balance, Crims always are for nerfing themselves when it comes to Markys, Smgs, Shotguns but why feds can never see a little change to see what it does.

Today there was a combined 58 feds/G6 in a 200 pop server, Something needs to change or its going to be feds cuffing other feds soon.

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To be fair, I understand G6 doesn't know about this but a lot of officers were there because there was a pre-planned operation going on. Normally the number are not THAT outbalanced.
 
G.Mendes said:
Lets be honest the crim life is dying on RPUK and the server has more police in it than crims leading to loads of units for the littlest crimes.

I think there should be a cap on how many police can log on the server and that should be decided by Staff/higher up from police to ensure that is a bit more balanced because getting a response of 30 police for a pay out of 30 wads is too much.

Pros: Gives the server a bit of a balance and possibly bring back the crim life
Pros: Crims will be motivated to do more crime which gives the police something to do

Cons: Queues for waiting to log on your police character
Cons: Dev work

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So the solution to all of crims lifes problem, is have a cap on how much police can attend?

What about how many crims can attend any given scenario?
 
G.Mendes said:
I don't think its nerfing but more of a balance, Crims always are for nerfing themselves when it comes to Markys, Smgs, Shotguns but why feds can never see a little change to see what it does.

Today there was a combined 58 feds/G6 in a 200 pop server, Something needs to change or its going to be feds cuffing other feds soon.

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first time its been that high in ages tbf
 
Police response was always self moderated in a way where if too many units show up to one thing it means that a dispatch somewhere definitely isn't being responded to. Nowadays there isn't any other dispatch to respond too. It's not uncommon to see a msg in police chats "We were driving for an hour, nothing happened so we logged off". Barely any banks are done, no shop robberys/vangelico because why would anyone want to risk being caught by the employees or police for 17-30 wads of cash when the items at risk are already high and there are barely any gang fights since there are less groups and the member counts are way too different.

Increase money you get from the jewelry store atleast. It sells diamonds, should be you get more than this

Increase robbery RP. On arma the server was known for the robberies, it gave new players an insight into how RP is done, gave them something fun to do and was the stepping stone into becoming a crim. We used to have to hold a gun out and pretend it was a drill and dumb shit like that. On GTA there is 1000s of animations, tools and ideas that can be used, yet you dont see it. Baldies looking to do a chase by waiting out the store, cops coming in shutting down RP because they "received a dispatch" or they "need a S&S for their ODP". Somewhere along the line staff completely gave up on educating people on robberies; be that in police meetings, in individual robberies, etc. I don't even know how you go about fixing it. Everyone I've spoke to said that when they tried it, police shut them down, they lost their stuff and they are never putting effort in again. Slavs were created on this basis. Robberies involving RP using all sorts of tools but maybe less than 30% of the time the police actually poked holes in our documents, stories,etc. instead of "yea but dispatch says robbery i have to check you".

Give us banks again. Sort out this RP storyline that's going on and give the players stuff to rob the banks with again. Arguably the most complex and interesting thing on the server yet barely and players that joined in the last 6 months have seen anything.

If the cops are spread around working on 3 things at once then 45 cops doesn't sound all that bad. If they suck too much that they don't realize there is more happening than a person pressing shift+b then let them get bored and come back to playing crim. Won't fix crim life completely but I don't see that anyone is doing anything else atm.
 
Brick Carstein said:
Police response was always self moderated in a way where if too many units show up to one thing it means that a dispatch somewhere definitely isn't being responded to. Nowadays there isn't any other dispatch to respond too. It's not uncommon to see a msg in police chats "We were driving for an hour, nothing happened so we logged off". Barely any banks are done, no shop robberys/vangelico because why would anyone want to risk being caught by the employees or police for 17-30 wads of cash when the items at risk are already high and there are barely any gang fights since there are less groups and the member counts are way too different.

Increase money you get from the jewelry store atleast. It sells diamonds, should be you get more than this

Increase robbery RP. On arma the server was known for the robberies, it gave new players an insight into how RP is done, gave them something fun to do and was the stepping stone into becoming a crim. We used to have to hold a gun out and pretend it was a drill and dumb shit like that. On GTA there is 1000s of animations, tools and ideas that can be used, yet you dont see it. Baldies looking to do a chase by waiting out the store, cops coming in shutting down RP because they "received a dispatch" or they "need a S&S for their ODP". Somewhere along the line staff completely gave up on educating people on robberies; be that in police meetings, in individual robberies, etc. I don't even know how you go about fixing it. Everyone I've spoke to said that when they tried it, police shut them down, they lost their stuff and they are never putting effort in again. Slavs were created on this basis. Robberies involving RP using all sorts of tools but maybe less than 30% of the time the police actually poked holes in our documents, stories,etc. instead of "yea but dispatch says robbery i have to check you".

Give us banks again. Sort out this RP storyline that's going on and give the players stuff to rob the banks with again. Arguably the most complex and interesting thing on the server yet barely and players that joined in the last 6 months have seen anything.

If the cops are spread around working on 3 things at once then 45 cops doesn't sound all that bad. If they suck too much that they don't realize there is more happening than a person pressing shift+b then let them get bored and come back to playing crim. Won't fix crim life completely but I don't see that anyone is doing anything else atm.
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Amen brotha! Everything is go gatekept or impossible to get (Coolant) either give crimes way more to do, increase payouts to make the risk worth it or reduce the police count. Otherwise there's not going to be any crims in 2/3 months.


Give Slavs and Misfits WL, The server needs livening up.
 
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G.Mendes said:
Amen brotha! Everything is go gatekept or impossible to get (Coolant)
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Gatekeeping isn't that bad. Having to RP and network, building connections, etc. is part of the RP. A crim shouldnt get the answer from the first donny they see on the street. We sold things for information rather than money, built friendships and did faivors to get HINTS as to what we are supposed to do. But imagine all that effort being put in to be told for 6 months no coolant about. I know crims who know half the city, who talked to countless people and paid milions just to be told nah bro nothing here go do a pharmacy by hiding the hammer or something
 
G.Mendes said:
Amen brotha! Everything is go gatekept or impossible to get (Coolant) either give crimes way more to do, increase payouts to make the risk worth it or reduce the police count. Otherwise there's not going to be any crims in 2/3 months.
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There has to be a reason and I think majority of the community would like to know why some of the things are happening, there is a bigger picture that I’m sure most of us aren’t aware of. Appreciate a lot of it is RP and storylines etc but a little explanation from staff would go a massive way, wether this is pass to group leads to distribute, a community team speak meeting or something.

Think a lot of people have a lot of questions and it’s clouded because we simply aren’t in the know 🤷 maybe staff are wanting something from this such as new avenues of RP or outcomes but it seems we have all just accepted it for what it is.
 
Tough balance.

The police sometimes have some crazy numbers around pre-planned raids and operations, but still won't easily get more than 50 on at a time except for some super rare occasions. But they also struggle to get a single firearms officer after 1am.

If there is a full on (semi-planned) gang war or a fight you can easily have a 20 vs 20 and end up with the same amount of criminals from just two gangs, let alone all the other criminals and non criminals that might still be committing crimes or needing help and could have roleplay interactions with the police.

Don't forget that we don't just need police for the criminals but also for the victims of those crimes.

I don't think hard caps are the solution in this case as there are way too many variables. You can easily have a training going on that has 10 officers and if somewhere else a few cops die in a gunfight and a few more have someone in custody in the cells (keeping in mind you frequently have one prisoner per car meaning that could tie up two or three officers right there)

Plus it would only really target balance issues from 19:00 to 23:00. Most of the rest of the time police are grossly outnumbered which also causes a lot of issues.

Some points were already raised at yesterday's staff meeting highlighting issues with too many officers responding to small situations. But I also think the same can be said for criminals outside of peak hours. Police and G6 get quite regularly steamrolled by larger groups of criminals outside of the peak hours when the scale tips the other way.

I think the solutions to these issues need to come mostly from mindset changes not hard caps and rules.
 
Bring back the days of robbing kore with a rook but hiding it behind the counter and saying it’s an item scanner and you are doing a stock take.

Stavik said:
People are really good at roleplaying their way into trouble but never out of it.
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But Tbf in crims defence there are so many officers that unless you have a 25 page business plan signed off by a judge they won’t accept avenues of roleplay other than the fact you broke into a store…
 
G.Mendes said:
People always sulk so they just gatekeep coolant from the whole city ;)
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i mean shooting someone for some petty reason then kidnapping someone else in that family then getting mad because all the head of the family wants is an apology before selling coolant again but the one who needs to say sorry refuses to do so but lets the rest of the server suffer for it, is less of someone gatekeeping it its more of why arent other groups puting pressure on that one group to go and say sorry to get it flowing again, instead all i get is waaaa just sell me some this is BS, and ill drop hints like well if X just said sorry then it will allll flow again but its like nobody wants to RP and just wants to get the coolant
 
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