Mass Unban

[Barry C]

Personally i have seen a massive decline of the server population and i believe if we were to unban most players, obviously not the people that are 1.6'd for example or people found cheating, but the players that have done things not so bad. E.g RDM, NVL and been sent away forever.

I think this would help the server population a lot and would bring gangs and factions back to life like they used to be. I really enjoy this server and dont want to see it die so i think this would be the best case scenario.

This might also bring old players that have left due to their friends being banned. I understand there might be bad eggs that also come back, however these people will slowly begin to filter themselves out again.

Atleast with this people who made a silly mistake are able to come back and have another chance and prove that they can be trusted to play the server and follow the rules.

 

[Joe Scrub]

Don't they have to break the rules like multiple times (just the ones they get caught for) to get to the point of a perm and even then most people get to appeal a perm at least one or twice?

If they've gone beyond that I can't imagine letting them all back in is going to be what 'saves the server' tbh

 

[Nikki Nixon]

+1 Why not. Server has been quiet lately, the real rule breakers would get re banned. But i think a lot of people would be thankful for the 2nd chance and if the server is full most nights means more RP ,more action more of everything. I think it would pop off. Cause too many people i think have been banned for just the combat logging / 1 month cool down rule ie logging off when downed at stupid hours and not known they would of been banned for it and didnt wait to die.. I think many of those just never came back after. same will all rules that are appealable really. so i think yeah this will be good and yes some bad but its worth a go. OR lets be fully honest here the server will keep going more and more quiet to the point where everyone has reported everyone else to the death of RP. and no one will play could its no point driving around finding players to RP. Like Barry said i enjoy this server very much and only want to see it full.

 

[Barry C]

Don't they have to break the rules like multiple times (just the ones they get caught for) to get to the point of a perm and even then most people get to appeal a perm at least one or twice?

If they've gone beyond that I can't imagine letting them all back in is going to be what 'saves the server' tbh

They do, sadly the gang scene has always been a place where reports are something that go up at every chance, and if you play the server daily for example, you are more likely to mess up at some point like any human would. Unfortunately, this usually gets picked up on and players usually get banned.

I mean is there another way you could think to bring more players in? because at the moment we are declining at a very fast rate.

Realistically people are holding bans that could be from over 2 years ago and im sure if they come back causing issues again they would be banned again. Atleast this gives people a chance.

 

[SGT Dean Hastings]

We did this for Arma, so why not. +1

 

[Freddyy]

+1
I agree tbh, unless you know a lot of people in the server and you're together as friends then it seems dead for new people to the server. I always see discord and OOC baldies asking why is it so dead and where is everyone. Would even be nice to have a little queue to get in to show how popular the server is, I love this server but would be nice for it to be more populated throughout the day. More RP, more interactions. As stated above the people who can't stick to rules will soon see the door again.

 

[brett_bernstein]

+1 i want to be violated by another alliance please

 

[Samuel Shire]

would i love to see the server at pop cap and have to que again to join sure, do i want to be fucked over non stop by morons who got themselves perma banned on a nightly basis until the staff re ban them, fuck no, think of the massive amount of work this would put on the staff who already do alot for free, youd be more likely to push people away than bring them back in

 

[Larry Bones]

As nice as it would be to see, your pissing in the wind here barry boy.

 

[cvppa]

Whilst I have no doubt that this suggestion has come from a good place and with the interest of server in mind - it would undo literal years of work to weed out the individuals who couldn't be bothered to follow what appear to be simple rules.

If the people who are currently banned wanted to return, the channels to make a case as to why they should be unbanned are already in place - but giving them free will to come back without making a case doesn't solve the root cause of the issue, as if they've not made a compelling and convincing argument to come back, are they going to appreciate the opportunity and as such, follow the rules?

 

[Larry Bones]

Whilst I have no doubt that this suggestion has come from a good place and with the interest of server in mind - it would undo literal years of work to weed out the individuals who couldn't be bothered to follow what appear to be simple rules.

If the people who are currently banned wanted to return, the channels to make a case as to why they should be unbanned are already in place - but giving them free will to come back without making a case doesn't solve the root cause of the issue, as if they've not made a compelling and convincing argument to come back, are they going to appreciate the opportunity and as such, follow the rules?

Unban appeals are about getting on your knees and opening your mouth, not a compelling and convincing argument. People have played for many many years and have racked up rule breaks over them which makes their record look worse than it actually is and this should be put into thought when bans are handed out and when you have staff listing your bans/kicks and they add your afk kicks as an infraction to make you look worse on your record just know your cooked

I cannot see a good reason why someone should be sent away for 6 months, A month long ban will have the same effect

Maybe not a mass unban, but let these people appeal and when people do appeal, give up with these come back in 6 MONTHS time, It takes no more time to ban them as it does to unban

 

[qaws]

I think we're all seeing the decline in server pop but I don't think a mass unban is the way to go. I wouldn't be against it but I think there's better ways staff/management can change some things in the server and hopefully make it more interesting to new people but mostly crims.

 

[AdamD]

I think one of the main reasons people stay here is due to the community, letting all the people that can’t follow the rules back in is going to push people away, yes server pop would rise but it would be short lived imo.

 

[cvppa]

Unban appeals are about getting on your knees and opening your mouth, not a compelling and convincing argument. People have played for many many years and have racked up rule breaks over them which makes their record look worse than it actually is and this should be put into thought when bans are handed out and when you have staff listing your bans/kicks and they add your afk kicks as an infraction to make you look worse on your record just know your cooked

I mean, just follow the rules - it's really not that hard.

I cannot see a good reason why someone should be sent away for 6 months, A month long ban will have the same effect

But it won't have the same effect will it? A 6 month ban is arguably 6 times worse than a 1 month ban.

It takes no more time to ban them as it does to unban

Right, but at what additional cost does it come at if you open the floodgates to players who haven't respected the rules in the first place?

If they've not attempted the unban process or perhaps have tried it but not met the criteria for the unban - it's pretty easy to come to the conclusion they don't care enough - so why would you want them back in the community?

 

[Larry Bones]

I mean, just follow the rules - it's really not that hard.

Roleplay should and is a very fluid activity, components change very quick and an infraction can occur very easily, You will find it is mostly crims that are catching repetitive bans which build up over time. not everyone is out here trying to gain an advantage over the other player. Either way people don't need glugging for 6 month. These exact people you look down upon made the server what it was

But it won't have the same effect will it? A 6 month ban is arguably 6 times worse than a 1 month ban.

It might be 6 times worse but that does not make it 6 times more effective, some people just need a cool down period to re-evaluate what the server is about not banishing from playing with all their online friends for half a year

Right, but at what additional cost does it come at if you open the floodgates to players who haven't respected the rules in the first place?

If they've not attempted the unban process or perhaps have tried it but not met the criteria for the unban - it's pretty easy to come to the conclusion they don't care enough - so why would you want them back in the community?

You talk as if we are protecting the borders from militant migrants, its a video game where a lot of people have settled and made online friends that have turned into everyday confidants.

My point was clearly about the extensive amount of time that keeps being given to people that have re-committed these Happy little accidents not mass unbanning everyone to which yet I still wouldn't be fully opposed to.

 

[Barry Bones]

Although I don’t have a specific viewpoint on this tbh because I feel as it would highly depend on the kind of people that you unban etc etc….

One thing I will say is that going off what Larry has said there, I do agree with the fact that I think sometimes it does need a bit of a reality check. It’s a video game. Some people go to prison for less. Yes it’s shite when people break rules and play the game as they’re not supposed to but is that vicious ban cycle the cause of pop on five m dropping off on roleplay servers in general? Idk? Just something to think about.

 

[cvppa]

Roleplay should and is a very fluid activity, components change very quick and an infraction can occur very easily, You will find it is mostly crims that are catching repetitive bans which build up over time. not everyone is out here trying to gain an advantage over the other player. Either way people don't need glugging for 6 month. These exact people you look down upon made the server what it was

Whilst there may be some prominent figures amongst the currently banned that have contributed greatly to the server, again I ask - if they wanted to come back and the process is in place for them to appeal their ban.

1) Why are they not appealing?
2) If they are appealing, why are they not getting the unban?

If they have no option to appeal then the ban for a set period of time - why is that?

By simply opening the doors, you're undoing what was already a solution, in respect of the ban being placed.

It might be 6 times worse but that does not make it 6 times more effective, some people just need a cool down period to re-evaluate what the server is about not banishing from playing with all their online friends for half a year

If someone has been banned with no option to appeal for 6 months, I would imagine they've likely done something fairly stupid, with it being an adult community I don't see the value in a 'cool down' period - it's more or less saying "lets have a virtual naughty step" - I think people just need to take accountability for their actions if I'm honest.

My point was clearly about the extensive amount of time that keeps being given to people that have re-committed these Happy little accidents

Maybe you should make a suggestion post about this, although I wouldn't call them happy little accidents - it downplays the fact they are rulebreaks.

 

[Thud]

+1

 

[Larry Bones]

By simply opening the doors, you're undoing what was already a solution, in respect of the ban being placed.

Yet again was not my point

If someone has been banned with no option to appeal for 6 months, I would imagine they've likely done something fairly stupid, with it being an adult community I don't see the value in a 'cool down' period - it's more or less saying "lets have a virtual naughty step" - I think people just need to take accountability for their actions if I'm honest.

No. When someone is sent away for 6 months its not because they have done something "fairly stupid" it is because they have done multiple mistakes over their time in the community, to which they can show their remorse for their actions in an unban appeal to then get sent away for 182 days as a punishment. 30 Days is enough which was my whole point you have brushed over

Maybe you should make a suggestion post about this, although I wouldn't call them happy little accidents - it downplays the fact they are rulebreaks.

Like mentioned previous I prefer pissing in the toilet not the wind. The "Happy little accidents" was an allusion to bob ross' view on mistakes

 

[tommyT]

As I don’t think that the people cheating or exploiting ect should have another chance, but I do tend to agree with Larry here as 6 month is an incredibly long time for being banned of a video game, it is in my opinion a very absurd amount of time for having done a rule break multiple times. I think that a month even is still a long time, as it is only a video game, should be enough time to be banned for.