Report a player - Eddard Thomas and also the Firearms officer who shot first (don't know the name) - GTA RP

[Steve Wilder]

Server: GTA RP
Your Character Name: Steve Wilder
Reported Players: Eddard Thomas and also the Firearms officer who shot first (don't know the name)
Date: Jun 21, 2025
Time: 22:00
What best describes this incident: NVL and Powergaming
Please (in detail) describe the incident: The Slavs tried doing the pacific standard bank robbery. We had 8 people inside the bank itself and took 3 people hostage. One was exchanged as a sign of good faith and the second was given as a exchange to get 3 cars with the free passage. One was kept inside the bank. We were ready to leave so everyone gathered in the side door. Everyone present has pistols with 1 person with a CQRA. A member was told to watch the hallway just before the stairs in case they breach and one was negotiating outside. We were compliant, no hostages were hurt or threatened, etc. etc. Already from the get go the breach that happened shortly after was not necessary. Why would you try to breach a room being watched from both sides with hostage takers that are compliant and willing to leave him in there?

The breach happened following the back entrance to the room being seen drilled. The officers attempted to breach and grab everyone in the same room with a "tactical" approach. Obviously any plans made can go wrong and usually do. As well as reason for a breach are usually broad and controversial.

The problem we have with this breach was that it made no sense. Made no sense tactically as no one with common sense would think breaching a small room with a hostage and 6 hostage takers and think the hostage wouldn't die/get injured. Made no sense as you are RP-ing a cop that cares about people and hostages, you should see that something as risky as this is not needed in a situation as this, given all circumstances.

This shows a win mentality where no matter the RP you go for the gunfight and no value of the life of a hostage.

We tried to solve this in QE but I wasn't satisfied with it.
Link(s) To Any Evidence: https://medal.tv/games/gta-v/clips/kxui85I0NlLUEZMle?invite=cr-MSw4UXIsMTQ2OTE0NjM2 https://medal.tv/games/gta-v/clips/kxvI8EWoVwWRDzo9p?invite=cr-MSxrN3csMTAwMjE0MzU https://medal.tv/games/gta-v/clips/kxv8N4loLXKN8x8Ya?invite=cr-MSxuMWQsMTkyNzE4NTI5 https://medal.tv/games/gta-v/clips/kxuTj2ivTMj2A7aEj?invite=cr-MSxkVEssMjgwMDQ3MTQy

 

[redzombies99]

Hi there. Thank you for taking the time for writing everything that you did. I completely understand you guys frustration. You know we spoke about this within QE and everything seemed fine I did apologise to you guys. From my operational point, it looked like we could.Use a flash bang to clear the room and also retrieve the hostage. I understand you guys were very frustrated with the end result and it was never my intention to ruin your guys RP.There were two firearm seniors here and none of them raised a flag with the operation to go in to breach.We had multiple units set at all doors and.There was mix.Information coming in about you guys and what you are doing and the operation looked like it could go out of our hitch.

 

[Naffen]

Hello
I was the Firearms Officer that was the first to shoot during the attempted breach at the side door.

I'm not too sure why I'm being reported here as you stated the issue itself was with the idea that we needed to breach instead of negotiating, which was agreed with in QE by all parties

Either way, I'll explain it from my side again. We had a team in the back entry the entire time who got through multiple doors quietly. OFC (Eddard) called the plan, that back team would breach and flashbang, then the side team (my team) would push the side to begin our breach.
Clearly this didn't go to plan at all.
As soon as the back team begun their breach (opening the door) it was called out, I then heard your teams Negotiatior say it out loud on the radio infront of me "What, coming in through the back?"

So in response I begun the side doors team breach early to try and funnel you guys backwards towards them and to initiate the breach as their plan has been foiled. As I begin the armed intervention and breach by shouting commands to raise hands, a member of the slav pulls his pistol out and aims it towards me, which results in me shooting at him, beginning the shootout. (As you can see in the 2nd video provided).

TLDR: Breach plan is set, back team gets called out before we're able to act and properly execute plan, I begin side door breach, Slav pulls a gun out and aims it at me, I open fire, shoot out.

I do understand the frustration with this incident, and I originally thought we resolved it in QE. OFC set the breach in place, all officers present follow the orders and the plan. I followed the plan, and when it went shit I attempted to follow loosely a breach procedure as that was already set in stone and it didn't turn out well for us.
Nothing I did was a rule break, nor NVL or Powergaming as you've reported me for such.

 

[Brick Carstein]

Posting this on behalf of Steve, he asked me to since he hasn't had the time to reply nor will he for a bit.

I think you just mentioned a pretty big problem in this. Sure you were the OFC Ed but I don't understand why no one said anything about it being an unnecessary and a bad idea. To touch upon the plan itself. Even if it did go perfect I still fail to see the logic behind you thinking you could toss a couple of flashbangs and disable 8 people at the SAME time that were ( your camera person that was watching could,should or did tell you this ) outside talking to you, in the room, on the stairs leading up and in the hallway just before the room inside the bank. To call this flawed would be an understatement. ANYONE THAT WAS THERE, I think, should have been able to say that its stupid to think the hostage wouldn't get injured/killed. I understand you follow orders and everything but you are still responsible for your own actions and you should still speak up/act up when something happens like this. All said I think you are responsible as much as the lead in this. Blindly following because you won't be blamed if an issue happens is just absurd. If that is not the case then the unit as a whole has a problem. Having a bunch of people geared for a gunfight, blindly following like a Merryweather NPC shouldn't be the norm.
I've watched the video again and realized something. There was a lot of firearms units but barely any RPU or Frontline that have relatively quick vehicles to pursue. Were they not called? We agreed as per demands that you had access and could use NPAS-71, Blackhawk and any Interceptors at the very begging of the negotiations. You should have had plently of time for one of you to go up in the air or call for backup. Why wasn't backup there? Did you just say "lets breech today" before we even got in one room and that was the plan from the start? Go with the "best plan" to breech because firearms cannot be arsed to have a pursuit regardless of how successful the negotiation were going? And to add to that, you managed to get every asset approved, 2 hostages out, no harm was said to have been done to the hostage nor was there a sign that might be the case, you had reduced the vehicle count by 2, had us give you a bit more time to prepare the chase and you had access to the direction we were going to drive in. Probably the most successful negotiation ever.

 

[Naffen]

Ive said everything i needed to in my original response, making vague comments that aren't truthful to the situation or our thought process throughout isnt helpful.
Even if I was to speak up and say its a bad idea doesnt guarantee it would've not gone forward, so that seems a bit flawed as the excuse. The plan was in place, we helped organise whatever team we were on to try make it smooth.

I simply reacted appropriately to what we realized was going on to the actions of the slav outside with the gun.

 

[redzombies99]

Hi, Brick Thanks for being the correspondence between us and Steve.So the whole thing .There was two major things that triggered the breach, which was one in explosive device was used within the middle of the city that was used to enter the bank vault . That was honestly the first time that I've ever seen anyone use an explosive to enter the bank vault , which obviously elevated the.Risk to quite severe as an explosion was detonated in the middle of the city. Most tactical units would have responded to that. The other thing was I believe if I'm not correct.The individual who set off the explosion to enter the vault was also the guy who was handing out stuff. So from a point of view, through the CCTV, we don't know what's being handed out. It could be the money, it could be explosives that is why we waited for everyone to be in one room i asked the CCTV was everyone in one room to try and we always took into consideration the hostage's life, I did think that breach ZO1 was going to be coming through.The top as they were breached team from the roof. That was my fault on my part. I didn't communicate as good as I would have liked to with them. we also spoke in QE and was joking around at the end if you guys felt that there was a rule breach we should have got an Admin in to make to more smooth