Report a Player - Gimpy Terry - RDM (Action Taken)

[The Stud]

Your In-game name

Rook Banger

Name of the player(s) you are reporting

Gimpy Terry

Date of the incident

05/05/18

Time of the incident (GMT)

621

What best describes this incident ?

RDM/Fail RP

Which server did the incident take place on

Server 1

Please (in detail) describe the incident

It all started after we had resolved something with someone in police liaison. We had some Modern Art on us and wanted to sell it but on the way we noticed that there was a HEMTT heading down towards Metal Exports way. We decided to turn around and head that way and land the heli behind the hill and move in on foot.

We see the HEMTT at the trader and someone selling their goods, we went up to him and introduced ourselves and started talking to the guy. We stated that he was making big money and not much else was said. Then without saying anything he runs around the corner of the building, Rook says "buddy you wanna place your hands above your head for me bud" he then pulls out his weapon and sprays us both down and with the shock of him firing upon us we didn't have the chance to be ready to deal with what he was going to do next.

We feel this is RDM as there was little to no roleplay that took place and he fired upon us without barely saying anything. We would like an admin to take a look at what he has done and see what they think.

Link to any evidence (Youtube/Screenshot)

https://youtu.be/tF3hUG-CLPY
This report is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!

Yes

You tried to resolve the situation with the player(s) before reporting

Yes

This is not a revenge report (Abuse will lead to forum/community bans)

Yes

 

[Jullaby]

Removed

 

[James_W12345]

@Jullaby Do you think you provided high quality roleplay before shooting?

 

[Jullaby]

@James_W12345 No, I didn't but I also firmly believe that neither did they actually enter into the situation in any sort of good faith roleplay which could've possibly created the high quality roleplay the server aims for. I'll quote another staff member as to why I believe this;
 



>"Killing someone must be carried out with high quality roleplay, “put your hands up or I will shoot” etc is considered low quality RP and may lead to a ban for RDM/Fail RP. "

- INS MATT

I didn't say much in the video, which doesn't justify the shooting, but neither did the two people who approach me do any sort of proper roleplay leading up to that.

>" My best advice is make your roleplay as interesting as you can, instead of running up to that guy you want to rob and telling him immediately to put his hands up give him a bit more, ask him what he’s up to, make a comment about this truck or his lovely pair of sunglasses. "

- INS MATT

As clearly seen in the video, they did just this. Approached me with a mocking, derisive tone and immediately demanded just that. (Making a small comment about the money I was making doesn't seem to fit into what INS Matt is talking about.) Guns drawn, sneaking up on me, while not hotmicing, making their intentions very, very clear to me. At this point initiation, at least I believed, had been made very, very clear. I was going to get shot unless I did as they demanded, which was made clear with the comment;

>"Hey, you know the deal, man."

At that point I knew I was being robbed and I knew they'd use force on me. Within, and outside, of roleplay, when approached by two people like this with machine guns drawn, there is a clear threat to your life. Initiation had been made in my mind, there was a threat to my character's life and I knew from experience that they'd knock me out within a few seconds unless I did something. Give up, Run or Fight.

Noticing that they both had long ranged weapons I knew I could easily win the fight and when your head starts running I went for that poor choice in that selection of three. Because that is what they gave me - to lose all my stuff, flee or fight. As INS Matt states that is poor roleplay and I believe that if given a chance and remained calm I would've acted differently. I think the video shows clearly that the were not acting in good faith, didn't give me a choice and so, I didn't give them a choice.

That doesn't mean I should've broken the rule worse than they did, however.

Whether I lost or won that fight, it was a fail rp situation for both parties, I reacted on adrenaline rather than thinking it through properly. The situation would've been helped if all three had considered roleplay as the first solution and actual purpose of that robbery, instead of focusing on the virtual money gain.

Because that was really what that interaction about, greed. They would not have approached me in the manner they did if roleplay was their main concern, neither had I shot them if roleplay was my main concern. We were both thinking of the money involved - they saw easy cash from a hobo, I saw two overconfident douchebags. Instead of roleplayers acting within their set character trying to weave a story.

I wouldn't repeat this situation if it happened again, instead I can let them have that measly 900k. Breaking the rules in response to someone else breaking the rules only makes it worse. I could've acted like the pathetic hobo they thought that I were, or I could've gone with the whole "Did you know that I have 200 confirmed kills?" schtick.

 

[Gordon]

First of all, thank you @Jullaby for fully explaining your actions, it makes dealing with situations like this so much easier.

@Johnny5mil, when you and your friend approached the Metal Exports you had already chosen in your own mind that you were going to be making an attempt at robbing whoever was there, when you approached both you and your friend made an attempt to engage in some form of conversation with the target "Ahh, you makin' some money boy eh?". You continued to converse with the target asking if "Making the big fuckin' money eh?" to which you recieved the reply "Not exactly, no." Whilst I cannot suggest that this was truly extensive or prolonged, some attempt to roleplay was present.

@Jullaby, As you were approached, you became aware fairly quickly of their intentions by the comments that were being made,  you made the reasonable assumption based on their comments that your options were either to stay and comply (and likely lose your belongings), fight back, or run! However, as you rightly pointed out yourself. "I reacted on adrenaline rather than thinking it through properly." You didn't put any thought into constructing any sort of verbal reply to your robbers and instead darted away, pulled out your firearm and shot dead both robbers.

The robbers gave several hints to their malicious intent with comments such as "You know the deal man" and "You wanna place your hands ontop of your head for us". The fact that they said both of these with guns drawn suggests to me that "initiation" had been given.

That's not to suggest that this "initiation" was by any means excellent. Whilst staff will not provide a definition of initiation, it's expected that robbing somebody should be done with extremely high levels of roleplay in an effort to make the situation at least bearable to both parties.

In this instance I will issue @Jullaby with a warning, you need to ensure that RP always comes before shooting. This warning will remain on staff records indefinently. Please pay particular attention to the rule quoted below.

[SIZE=medium](7.1.3) Killing someone must be carried out with high quality roleplay, “put your hands up or I will shoot” etc is considered low quality RP and may lead to a ban for RDM/Fail RP. Executing another player must also be carried out with high quality roleplay, the only exception to this rule is if both you and the victim are engaged in a gunfight together. [/SIZE]

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