Report a player - ID:58 - Andrew Lector - GTA RP

[Drondisk Bolzak]

Server: GTA RP
Your Character Name: Aksel Williams
Reported Players: ID:58 - Andrew Lector
Date: May 11, 2025
Time: 12:18
What best describes this incident: G4.1/G4.3 NLR
Please (in detail) describe the incident: While refilling water bottles two people that was blacked out came to Triads and put me in zip ties and blindfold, once grabbing a fellow hang around took us to an area and began to question us. While questioning us, Andrew mentioned the reason of which he was questioning us of which was the reason the night before he had been killed off via the triads to do with a mechanic kit situation and threatening Adam, if you see clips Pt1 - pt 3 Andrew Lector report for the whole situation while grabbed by Mr Lector, also see clips pt1 - 2 from Caesarsalad for the interaction the night before for him being killed and him even saying why he was being killed before coming back for Triads today to continue a situation of which I believe should have ended the other night.
Link(s) To Any Evidence: https://medal.tv/games/gta-v/clips/kgrzcnSFOihYvgC60?invite=cr-MSxabzMsMTk3MTUzNzc5
https://medal.tv/games/gta-v/clips/kgrEI8VF0sA3tipa-?invite=cr-MSxiTzUsMTk3MTUzNzc5
https://medal.tv/games/gta-v/clips/kgrHssfKKj7A7X_UB?invite=cr-MSxtV2gsMTk3MTUzNzc5

https://medal.tv/games/gta-v/clips/kgseZ0DvfLsMN8Jj9?invite=cr-MSx6THYsMjU2NDAxMDM3
https://medal.tv/games/gta-v/clips/kgsjJ53TQ_gBe1X5e?invite=cr-MSxjZkssMjU2NDAxMDM3

 

[andr3w]

Hello.

Before i comment on the alleged rulebreak, I would like to highlight a few observations i came across during my review of the provided evidence. On several occasions in your clips it appears to me that you are using some sort of external communications. As i am sure you are aware this is discouraged as you are playing on the server, especially when you are conversating with other people also playing. I can only assume that was the case, as in your first clip at timestamp 00:18 you appear to be calling out the name of your friend " Tony " as i had him at gunpoint. Shortly after you can be heard relaying some information about there being 2 guys, with big guns. I can only assume this was being relayed through a discord voice chat, in order to warn your fellow gang members or to organize a counter-attack on myself? Furthermore, you can be heard making comments on some external communication during the entire situation. All the way up to the point that you realised you was being let free, and brought to my vehicle.

As for the rule break claims against me. Last night on the 10th of May i was indeed captured by Triads, as displayed on your own footage i was tortured for some time in an attempt to extract information from myself. Correct me if i am wrong, but the information you tried to obtain is where i had acquired the mechanic kits from in the first place. Evidently you did not find my explanation trustworthy, and i bleed out in the situation after the roleplay suggested it made sense.

I fully agree that my character should have no further knowledge of the incident that occured on 10th of May, obviously including the interrogation part and the lead up wich consisted of me stood on Triads turf speaking to some friends. When i today on the 11th of May decided to rob and question two Triad members, i claimed the reasoning behind it was that my character believed another members of Triads had previously attempted to set me up. The situation i am refering to occured on the 6th of May, where i firstly sold 250 mechanic kits to Adam in Triads. The initial trade went smoothly, but i was contacted later the same day by Adam once again as he now wished to purchase 500 more mechanic kits. I found his behaviour on the phone strange, and when he insisted on the trade happening in a underground parking garage i got a bad feeling about it and denied the trade. A short amount of time later, i was informed that several men in blacked out clothing had been seen entering the Triad office/safehouse a short while a go. My character figuered it could have a connection with theese men entering the office, and Adam attempting to set up a sketchy trade in the same timeframe. This situation that occured on the 6th of may, is what i was attempting to find some answers to when i today on the 11th kidnapped the reporting party and his friend.

As far as i have gathered, Triads dont believe my character should have knowledge of what occured on the 6th of May as they " killed me off from the situation " on the 10th of May. Granted the situation on the 6th and the 10th both was regarding mechanic kits, I dont believe the two different situations are necessarily connected in that way. It is a very complex situation as Triads arent the only people pursuing my character about theese mechanic kits, i have had several roleplay interactions with Gustavo Mendes and the Firm on different occasions regarding the same thing. I believe OOC that the blacked out people entering the Triads office/safehouse on the 6th of May was members of the Firm, and that Triads was encouraged to assist in setting me up. The point i am trying to make is that the roleplay that happened on the 6th of May ties directly into the roleplay i had with Gustavo and the Firm in the following days regarding the mechanic kits. Triads claims to have killed me off, to the extent where i remember nothing about the mechanic kits at all would undermine all the roleplay interactions already had with other involved parties. It is a very tricky situation as i could see myself getting " killed off " for the excact same reason by other factions/groups in the future and my character would have no knowledge of this then? I dont feel like it makes sense, nor does it encourage future roleplay that my character dont remember the events on the 6th of may.

Applying the reporting party's logic, what would my character remember? The Triad situation ties directly into my roleplay with Gustavo and the Firm, and i would have to erase all my knowledge off that aswell for the roleplay to make any sense. Essentially Triads would be " killing me off " on someone elses behalf and ruining any extension of the roleplay already had with others. I have reasons to believe even 3rd and 4th parties are eager to interrogate me on the subject of mechanic kits. However with this logic, you would be shutting that door permanently and i find it very possible i could be getting killed/questioned in the future by other groups/factions about the same situation. With that in mind, my character would then have no knowledge of why he was being grabbed/questioned and i would not be able to contribute to the roleplay in any way. To summarize, i believe my character should recall the events of the 6th of May for the roleplay to make any sense, both roleplay that has occured and future roleplay scenarios i expect to happen.

I am happy to reply to any further staff questions, or to display proof of my claims if found necessary by staff.

 

[Drondisk Bolzak]

Hi there,

Firstly thank you for your timely response. I have nothing else left to add unless staff have any questions for me, I believe that everything else has already been covered in QE prior to this report, I shall leave this now for staff to deal with.

 

[Charles Vane]

Could you both give me a timeline of events please? Days and dates for the whole scenario.

With no mention of anything else regarding the report just a timeline of events in relation to the mechanic kit situation. From the videos this is my version from what i have seen and can read:

6th May - Andrew sold menchanic kits too Adam (triad)
10th May - Adam set up another meet to buy more kits?? (in this meeting killed him??)
11th may - Andrew did the meeting and then was killed off???

@Drondisk Bolzak @andr3w

 

[andr3w]

Hello Charles, the whole mechanic kit situation is indeed very complex and involving several groups/factions.

However, in regards to Triads involvement:
6th of May: Andrew sells 250 mechanic kits to Adam, a few hours later Adam attempts to set up another sale where Andrew suspects him of trying to " set him up ". Ultimately not agreeing to a deal.
10th of May: Andrew is speaking to friends on Triad turf, as he is abruptly kidnapped by other Triad members and questioned. Andrew bleed's out in this scenario.
11th of May: Andrew grabs and robs two Triad members/hangabouts and states the reasoning behind is to gather information about Adam potentially attempting to set him up on the 6th.

 

[Drondisk Bolzak]

To add from the 10th of May onwards

10th of May: Triads grab Andrew believing that he is going to grab Adam, after torturing Andrew for a while, not believing and trusting Andrew regarding the mechanic kits and why he was acting suspicions to Adam, they decide to kill Andrew off on the mountain.

11th of May: Andrew grabs myself and one of the hang arounds looking for information regarding Adam (who at this point as it is a new life shouldn't know of) and also regarding mechanic kits and shady deals,

I don't believe that Andrew being killed from the Triads should have ended his RP with the Firm and Gustavo, but I do feel that he shouldn't have been in a position to chase for information on Adam or the Triads involvement within the situation as he was killed and bled out of the scenario regarding Adam's involvement with the mechanic kits on the mountain.

 

[OneShot]

I believe OOC that the blacked out people entering the Triads office/safehouse on the 6th of May was members of the Firm

Can you clarify what you mean by "OOC" and how your character would know or suspect that the Firm or Gustavo were involved with the Triads in character?

 

[andr3w]

Can you clarify what you mean by "OOC" and how your character would know or suspect that the Firm or Gustavo were involved with the Triads in character?

Hello OneShot

I will attempt to explain my characters thought process and what knowledge he posesses. My character believes that Gustavo and Triads was both operating under the Firm's command, as their motivations was fairly easy too see through. On the 6th of May, i had reports of blacked out people entering the Triad safehouse around the same time Adam attempted to call me and set up a sketchy meeting. I operate under the assumption the blacked out people could have influenced Adam into this, as he had bought kits off me earlier the same day without issue.

Later the same day, Gustavo Mendes reaches out to me after obtaining my phone number from a Triad member. Several days follow of Gustavo asking for certain items, showing a high interest in mechanic kits just like Triads. After countless interactions with Gustavo over the course of a short week, he admits to me that the people he is working for just want their stuff back. Gustavo never admitted to me in roleplay that it is the Firm he was working for but my character is well aware who wants their stuff back as he is the one who stole it from The Firm.

To summarize, at this stage my character knows Gustavo was operating on the Firm's behalf also attempting to set up sketchy trades for mechanic kits just like Triads. My character also assumes the Firm was likely the blacked out people entering the Triad safehouse on the 6th, as it seemed weird Adam attempted to set me up around the same time the blacked out people were spotted. Considering the fact that my busniess deal with Adam earlier the same day went smoothly, my character figuered he must have been motivated by a third party to attempt this set up.

Like previously mentioned, my character know the Firm tried to set me up through Gustavo just like Triads had tried to set me up on the 6th.

Now what i hoped to achive on the 11th of May was too pursue this avenue of roleplay, to grab members of Triads and attempt to question them about the blacked out people seen entering their safehouse on the 6th. I already had a strong suspicion it was members of the Firm but hoped to continue the roleplay and have Triads potentially confirm their identities.

 

[andr3w]

Quick addition:

My character is also aware the blacked out people entering the Triad safehouse was likely there in regards to mechanic kits. My character recieved information from a source that claimed to have " heard something about mechanic kits " when these blacked out gentlemen entered Triads safehouse. Another factor pointing the finger at the Firm as their mechanic kits was robbed a few days prior.

 

[OneShot]

Hello @andr3w & @Drondisk Bolzak .

After reviewing your follow up @andr3w , I want to clarify that while your character may have had suspicions about the Firm and Gustavo being involved, the issue lies in how and when those suspicions were acted upon.

You were killed on May 10th in a scenario involving the Triads, Adam and the mechanic kits. That death triggered NLR, which means your character lost all memory and connection to that situation and the players involved.

While you claim your actions on May 11th were about events from the 6th, your interactions clearly referenced Adam and motives tied to your death, making it a continuation of the same storyline. G4.3 says you cannot re-enter or involve yourself in the same scenario your character died in.

"My character believes that Gustavo and Triads was both operating under the Firm's command, as their motivations was fairly easy to see through."

Regardless of what your character may have believed before death, those suspicions were tied to the same situation you died in, and cannot be carried on afterwards. NLR removes your character’s knowledge to continue in that story.

Gustavo admits the people he's working for just want their stuff back... my character is well aware who wants their stuff back as he is the one who stole it from The Firm.

Even if this was discussed prior to your death, using that knowledge after being killed especially in a way that leads you back into contact with the Triads is still a breach of G4.3. The moment your character died, the connection to that RP, ended.

"My character also assumes the Firm was likely the blacked out people entering the Triad safehouse..."

That may be what your character assumes, but acting on that assumption after the death by confronting Triad members is exactly the kind of continuation that breaks NLR.

"Now what I hoped to achieve on the 11th of May was to pursue this avenue of roleplay, to grab members of Triads and attempt to question them about the blacked out people seen entering their safehouse on the 6th."

This is where the issue becomes clear: your May 11th actions involved targeting Triads again, just one day after being killed by them. This is a continuation of the RP situation your character was killed off from, which breaks G4.3 even if it was to shift focus slightly.

• You cannot continue any RP related to the Triads, Adam, or the mechanic kit situation that led to your death.
• Your character’s involvement in that storyline is permanently closed.
• Any future RP involving mechanic kits must be entirely unrelated and cannot circle back to those events or individuals in any form.

Action Taken

CharID: 113844
Rule Break: G4.3
Punishment: 1 Week Ban (Fair Ban System)