Report a Player - Koala Bear - Poor/Low Quality RP

Your In-game name

NotStrix

Name of the player(s) you are reporting

Koala Bear

Date of the incident

29/11/18

Time of the incident (GMT)

1450

What best describes this incident ?

Poor/Low Quality RP

Which server did the incident take place on

Server 1

Please (in detail) describe the incident

After leaving being told to 'get out of our lands' at a fuel station robbery, me and roberts get into our quillin and head up the main road , being low on fuel we pull over and i start refuelling , theres an officer from the same situation on the other side of the pump , he did say 'i told you i was gonna arrest you if i saw you in our lands with fire arms' but i did not hear him at the time because my comms were active , i wasnt as close and he was quite quiet when he said it . i then say 'oooh you look big and hard' . he then moves around the fuel pump says 'right well i did tell what was gonna happen , im gonna arrst you' at which point he immedietely knocks me out . i feel this was not done with sufficient rp , we had complied with the demand to leave lands and had merely stopped for fuel .

i attempted to resolve , however koala stated that there is no rule requiring him to say anything more before knocking someone out , during the liason koala did not see my perspective or issue and no common ground was found .

Link to any evidence (Youtube/Screenshot)

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This report is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!

Yes

You tried to resolve the situation with the player(s) before reporting

Yes

This is not a revenge report (Abuse will lead to forum/community bans)

Yes

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so as you can see Jordan said on the video put the guns down that was said over the radio too so me and shuttle responded on arriving Strixs had the Kavala in tears and was escorting him after Jordan telling him not to take him, he was told to leave the civilian he refused, so I calmly told him, then strix responded aggressively so told him to go back to his lands or I will arrest them because they had firearms it was very clear that I wasn't happy with their firearms out I believe strikes and the other cartel member knew this as he hustled and left while claiming I was "power hunger" they then drive off to stad fuel and turn around they they see our car and turn around and said fancy taking them hostage when they pulled up I pulled my firearm as I knew they were armed and didn't want to be caught off guard strix then gets out with a gun, knowing that I wasn't happy with the firearms at Kavala fuel I then say why have you come back with illegal firearms he then replies to me, you look big and hard which tells me he doesn't care about the laws on the island and didn't take into consideration what I told him prior which was if I saw him again I would arrest him so I tell him I'm going to arrest you I knock him out and restrain him his friend then hops out the car and says do anything to him and I will knock you out by this point he was already in cuff so there was nothing I could do he knocks me out and then shoots at shuttle by mistake which he admitted and we accepted 

in liaison when in liaison we discussed thing that could have been done better in the situation and I said maybe it could have been done a bit better on my behalf, but and strix replied to okay, I believe that we are going in circle I appreciate you coming and talking thank you enjoy your day at no point did strix tell me that he wasn't happy with the solution of the liaison and he stated at the start that all he wanted was an explanation and an apology which he got and he then left on good term and now a report is up which is very strange to me because every liaison that I have been in for the past 3 years of playing in this community you know if you are going to get reported or if its getting left and me and shuttle you both under the impression that it so all dealt with and left on good terms 

a couple of questions for strix at the first gas station why did you key chain to gain knowledge of my name when i was masked when there was no rules broken and know need to exploit the in game feature to gain my name with out going through roleplay?

im also considered that when i cuffed you i heard you say i going to suit in TS would that mean admin suit when involved in a active situation? 

is the report this active as i can see the video has been removed?

I’ll try to briefly answer your questions.

**i often use the keychain feature when near masked players in case I need evidence down the line as do many other players . That is not an issue as long as that information is not used within rp .** Read edit below

the decision to “suit up” or not isn’t determined solely on whether or not a situation is active or not but rather a combination of factors . If I considered your actions to be a clear , indisputable rule break then it is an option available to me. In this case I decided against it and opted to continue the scenario. The discussion I had in ts surrounding that did not in anyway affect the outcome of the scenario and is entirely irrelevant. 

I am aware that you have seen and I assume still have access to the video . However it has been Hidden as some staff related matters are recorded between myself and another staff member during the car ride portion of the video . Rather than editing the video to remove that content and open myself up to questioning regarding edits I am choosing to trust in your discretion relating to that discussion.-Yes the report is active

edit: ive since been informed that using the keychain in that way is not allowed , and will no longer use it , however as it bares no relevance to the actions and did not  affect rp , my report still stands

at the end of the day you were told to leave, the role play was very hostile between us you acknowledged I didn't like you having firearms out, but you still come back after being warned already that you would be arrested if you didn't return to the your lands you also hear in the video you wanted to take me hostage, which further backs up my point of you were hostile and had no respect for what was said at the fuel station pior plus the comment at the second fuel station "oh you look big and hard" didn't point you in the right direction following the pior interactions the reason I knocked you 

was because you clearly had no respect for what I told you pior and also had no respect for me and the law you were hostile at the first fuel station and also had a large rifle, which you were given a chance to put away and leave with no arrest, but you choose to come back a display it and I believe if I given you the chance you would have took hostile action against me and the point that backs that up is that you wanted to take me hostage also this does happen on the server a lot from all factions if someone says to me "right I'm taking you hostage" or "Your coming with me" I would expect a knock out and zip ties if the role play was as hostile as ours was how else would they gain control of you? you were given multiple chance to comply and you knew what the repercussion would be if you didn't 

Koala Bear said:

but you still come back

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we didnt go back anywhere we were still on our way out ...all beside the point anyway. fact is you barely rp'd immediatly prior to knocking me out.

Correct me if I’m wrong the way back to the cartel lands is towards the airport so if you were going home you would have carried on the path of the main road not turn around at stadium fuel and come back towards Kavala and then see us and follow and then tease us with the fact you had a firearm after being told to put it away that doesn’t sound that going home to me it looks like you were wanting us to react I have already told you why I knocked you out and I heavily role played with you before hand and like I said I told you I would arrest you if I saw a firearm again there was no reason to come to the fuel station either as after the situation I used your quiln to transport the other cartel member to the hospital 

ill answer this despite its irrelevance .... i was the passenger not the driver , as you can hear from the sound i have no idea why we turned around , infact until you mentioned it in your last reply i hadnt even bothered to check , but you are right we did turn around , not sure why. You are keen to pick from the comms the part where roberts says in passing shall we kidnap this guy .. which doesnt get a response or any further discussion. But you do hear him clearly ask me to 'refuel us' which doesnt get a response from me , so whether or not you wish to believe it , its rather obvious that the 'kidnap' avenue was not explored beyond a whimsicle comment. 

Its almost like you are convinced we were there for something other than fuel when the video makes it quite clear that we didnt have other intentions.

But intentions aside all the 'rp' before that was in a different place , a few minutes earlier and you had ample opportunity at the second fuel station to add enough rp before knocking me out ,but instead decided to take a 'cheap shot' and knock me out without proper roleplay. 

Im not willing to respond further unless directed to by staff.  

I'll attempt to deal with the crux of the situation in a chronological fashion. As this video is messy and implicates staff in varying degrees.

@NotStrix

At 2m10s you elected to use the give money feature in order to gain the identity of a masked player, to which you admit in the following statement. 

NotStrix said:

**i often use the keychain feature when near masked players in case I need evidence down the line as do many other players . That is not an issue as long as that information is not used within rp .** Read edit below

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(4.2) Name Tags / Collar Numbers - You are not allowed to identify players in game via nametags or keychains. Police, NHS and Poseidon ranks and collar numbers are fine, as they “wear clothing with the rank on” unless they are undercover. (Not in their uniform or masked.)

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Though the specific wording of the rule refers to identification ingame by use of a keychain, the mechanic used was the same and will be treated as such, there was no reason at that stage why you'd need his name other than for some alleged breach of the rules, which if I am to understand it correctly didn't occur in your opinion until 6m01s, whether you had intended to use this function within RP as a conscious effort or not is frankly irrelevant, the point being now that you have identified this player, whether you mean it to or not, it does have the potential to effect ongoing roleplay. 

You do then go on to say that you have since spoken with other staff members regarding key chaining other players and attempt to justify the action.

NotStrix said:

edit: ive since been informed that using the keychain in that way is not allowed , and will no longer use it , however as it bares no relevance to the actions and did not  affect rp , my report still stands

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I hope my above statement has qualified my opinion on the matter.

@Roberts RE @ShadowDirector

At 4m19s you can be quoted as saying "The day Faheem gets staff will be the day that I die" First of all, not only is this bang out of order, disrespectful and quite frankly rude. Secondly you're not in a position to make those kinds of calls anyway, so now should Faheem wish to join the staff team, I'd imagine he'd be quite upset with your comment. This may not have a specific rule number attached to it, but I'll be speaking to Faheem in due course, as to how best to proceed. I expect better of a staff member.

@Roberts RE @DjHolyChirst 

At 4m31s you can be quoted as saying "You know what DJ, save the planet and kill yourself" From context of conversation, being that he was present, and seemingly taking pleasure in mocking you regarding your tenure as a "failed" gang leader, I'd let this one slide, unless DJ wishes to pursue this further, if so he knows how to get in touch. Given that he also made a mockery of that statement, it is my opinion that it is unlikely that further action will be taken with regard to this comment.

The double back

Whilst all this was going on, the Qui'lin performs a U-turn at 4m03s approximately 150m from Stadium fuel and backtracks towards Kavala. 

Okay to address some of the confusion with regard to the back and forth of this situation. 

NotStrix said:

we didnt go back anywhere we were still on our way out ...all beside the point anyway. fact is you barely rp'd immediatly prior to knocking me out.

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NotStrix said:

ill answer this despite its irrelevance .... i was the passenger not the driver , as you can hear from the sound i have no idea why we turned around

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That is two different positions.

You've also referenced several times throughout that you pulled into the fuel station for fuel, you were 150m from one when Roberts doubled back the first time, you passed 2 before passing the police car which you turn your camera towards at 5m0s, your Qui'lin then performs a second U-turn at 5m05s and follows the police car to the fuel station and pulls in next to it 5m45s. To me that series of actions are in-congruent with returning to Poseidon lands, admittedly for which ultimately only Roberts knows the answer, to the casual onlooker, such as myself. It appears to be that there was an attempt to elicit a reaction from the police however that is of course conjecture.

@Koala Bear 

Despite the audio being a bit muffled from the Poseidon comms, you yourself, were not particularly clear. Given your previous interaction with this very same group was not exactly positive, I can see why you may have been a bit quick to move to knocking out Strix. Given Strix's response to your initial instruction which seemed kind of mumbled on your part, being a sarcastic comment to the effect of "Ooh you look big and hard" I can appreciate how you may have misconstrued this as an understanding, up to this point however he (Strix) had no reason to believe you were the same officers he had encountered previously. Given what we can decipher from the original interaction at 5m45s no verbal threat was issued and therefore when you stated he was going to be arrested you did not give him enough time to comply before knocking him out.

Conclusion

Strix - Official Warning on BattleMetrics with regard to rule 4.2, with specific regard to using the keychain or cash transfer system outside of it's intended purpose. Further action within staff team awaiting staff leads.

Roberts - Awaiting conversation with Faheem.

Koala Bear - Note placed on BM regarding this report, taking note of circumstances surrounding but otherwise not providing enough time to comply. 

Your report has been dealt with, but perhaps not in the way you originally envisaged.

Whether this is beneficial or disadvantageous to you will depend entirely on the situation, and staff will have taken the most-appropriate action in the circumstances.