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Un-ban Appeal - VincPikk - 08/09/2017 (Unbanned 21/08/2017)

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VincPikk

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Location
Estonia
In-game Name
Vincent

Steam ID
76561198193717228

The date of your ban.
08/09/2017

Member of the team that banned you.
Matt

Reason given for your ban.
Forum Report

The Server you initially were banned on.
Server 1

In your own words, please type why you think you were banned.
I was banned because I had low quality initiation, I combatlogged and did not stop with the rape topic when requested.

Why should we unban you ?
I completely agree that my initiation was low quality but to make up for that, we had been roleplaying prior to initiating for already a few minutes and all together to me everything combined seemed absolutely alright. Wasn't the best situation I've been in, neither was it the worst one. It was decent taking from both sides. Now, why was it decent? Why not GREAT? From my perspective this can be explained really easily.

Taking Lt. Keith's video we can see at the VERY start he already messaged an admin involving Snapchat and Instagram. Like seriously, even if it was breaking roleplay how the hell does that hurt you? I completely understand raping and asking "how do I put my hands up?" or "You fucking RDM'd me idiot I'm going to report you". In my opinion this is clearly a sign of trying to avoid a roleplay situation. Later on Lt. Keith over and over tells us to leave which again is avoiding because If he had already a situation with his friends or had something important to do I'd understand but he was just wandering around in the Kavala greenzone.

Later on when we get to robbing him there was the roleplaying of rape. He went completely through with it. He was asked to bend over and immediately acted accordingly. Now I can in NO way see that as a sign of "please stop". The first rape situation is over and then tells us to stop which we did. There was nothing related to rape after that. Taking someone's virginity is NOT rape.

Again, I agree my roleplay was bad quality and I have improved it ever since. English is not my first language and initiating can be a little rusty when I haven't done it in a long time. I had a bad roleplay situation after that too and was able to talk to an admin (xkan) and asked a lot of questions about how to do everything properly. After getting the tips from him I've had no problems while having A TON of situations including taking hostages, robbing over 30 rebels & civilians, robbing the police, robbing a gas station, robbing trucks, robbing cars and other rather rare situations.

Finally we get to the third reason I got banned. Combatlogging. When Lt. Keith's first video ended we went on for another few minutes just running around and trying to wrap this thing up. We see a rebel running around a little further away but clearly checking out what we were on to. At first me and Urma wanted to deal with the rebel but second thoughts were "It's already really late" "I'm tired" "Our friends have already logged off" "I have a fucking driving exam tomorrow and I do not under any circumstance want to be tired during it". So we decided to log off. I get behind this small house to end my adventures for the day and log off. Urma logged off a few seconds before me and I had about 4-5 seconds left on the abort button when the rebel came to me and poorly initiated on me. I even told Urma: "Oh my god this guy came and initiated on me but I really need to go so I'm going to log off." If I hadn't logged off god knows how long the situation could have lasted for. All the examples given in rule 2.5 do not go under why I logged off. You could argue because of my gear, but really, I had a god damn protector that I didn't even buy. It was stolen. 4 mags. Couldn't care less for it. I could even understand if I hadn't opened the menu and they initiated but it is very clear from the second video that I logged off in a few seconds after initiation not 10 or 15.

I adore this server a lot and really, really enjoy it. I have tried other servers and they are nowhere near quality of roleplay.co.uk. Breaking rules by accident is something that just happens every now and then. I hope you understand where I'm coming from in this situation especially the combatlogging part. I honestly believe my breaking of rules was not as severe as the admins think.

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Later on when we get to robbing him there was the roleplaying of rape. He went completely through with it. He was asked to bend over and immediately acted accordingly. Now I can in NO way see that as a sign of "please stop". The first rape situation is over and then tells us to stop which we did. There was nothing related to rape after that. Taking someone's virginity is NOT rape.
so even when he does not say at that point stop, you think it is acceptable? 

 
Rape in real life is absolutely disgusting and no man or woman should ever do it. But in a video game, while roleplaying, and both sides have agreed on wanting to do it, it is sort of acceptable as long as it doesn't go too far. Now this does not mean I think it is a form of really good roleplay. If one does not want to be involved and requests it to be stopped once, it should end immediately without any questions.

Now, you might ask why did we decide to do it if we think it isn't a good form of roleplay? At that moment we were tired and obviously didn't make the best decisions looking back at the whole situation. We also had the attitude of "these are some random hobos, we'll just fuck around with them a little bit before we log off". Our joke got way too disgusting and now I regret it a lot.

In conclusion, I say to rather NOT do and to keep away from roleplaying questionable subjects like this.

 
Could you please quote the rule(s) that you have broken and explain them in your own words.

 
[SIZE=medium](3.6) Roleplaying of questionable subjects like real life terrorism or questionable subjects like rape will not be tolerated if requested by someone involved to stop. [/SIZE]

This rule means roleplaying controversial and questionable subjects that can insult or give someone a bad experience on the server is not allowed under any circumstance if someone involved requests to stop. A Few examples that can go under this rule: Real life terrorism, Rape, Racism, Sexism, etc.

[SIZE=medium](2.5) Combat logging at any point during RP is exploiting. Some examples of this include: logging out during a firefight, being chased by the police, arrested by the police, while dead awaiting a medic, logging out in order to save gear, rage-quitting, logging out whilst restrained/detained (Punishment is a ban, which may be permanent. *) *Staff can make an informed decision depending on if you’ve made an attempt to resolve the issue. We do suggest you attempt to rejoin the server and continue the roleplay (try messaging them with the mobile system first). [/SIZE]

Combat logging is logging out of the game while being in a roleplay situation. This can also include when you are in risk of losing your items but roleplay has not taken place yet (when police has started chasing you). This rule does not apply only to situations with risk involved. Also includes friendly, non-hostile situations. If you have been logged out against your own will (being kicked for whatever reason) the admins will take it into account if you tried logging back on and keep on roleplaying.

(7.1.3) Killing and executing someone must be carried out with high roleplay, “put your hands up or I will shoot” etc is considered low RP and may lead to a ban for RDM/Fail RP.

This rule stands to guide players towards more of a high quality roleplay situation rather than just robbing/killing/taking a hostage.

 
If you found yourself in that situation again, what would you do differently? 

 
If my friends encouraged to roleplay rape I would be 100% against it and under no circumstance would take any part in it. I would also continuously tell them to stop it. If I was to be kidnapped and the other participants would want to roleplay rape, I would not be okay with it and let them know about it. If they were to continue, I would contact an admin.

Next time I need to really log off I'm going to find myself a safe spot and make absolutely sure nobody has started roleplaying with me. However, if somebody still finds their way to roleplaying with me, I'd try to resolve the situation not just log off in front of them.

This next part has REALLY, REALLY gotten into me. Yesterday I decided to check out another popular server to see how things are going there. Well, to say the least, roleplay was absolutely HORRIBLE. Constantly people saying "hands up or die" "hands up or die" and nobody cared about it. It was completely okay. That ruined the experience completely and made me realize how important the quality of roleplay is and just how well this server provides it. I will never say "put your hands up or you will be shot" or anything similar to that ever again. I will give my best in every situation to make it enjoyable for everybody. 

 
If my friends encouraged to roleplay rape I would be 100% against it
do you mean with this, That Urma was telling you to do this kind of roleplay? 
Just asking so we dont have misunderstandings. 

 
No, Urma didn't tell me to do roleplay like this. I was being more general as I will probably never be in a situation exactly like this again. BUT, similar ones might happen and I was accounting for those.

 
alright just wanted to make it sure, 
you broke 3 rules in this situation, How can we trust you this will not happen again?

 
My week away from roleplay.co.uk has made me realize I do not want to be playing on other servers. I have already re-read the rules twice and value what this community brings. I have also got some practice on my initiation which is no longer a problem to perform like required.

Combatlogging was such an once in a lifetime situation, I have never combatlogged before and I will never again. That is something I know that really, really ruins rp situations and do not want that at all.

Like I already said about rape before, That's simply a big no-no.

I will also try to prevent playing while i'm sleepy which probably caused this whole situation.

 
Well, obviously,  I have learned a lot of things from this whole process.

But most importantly, I have learned why it is so important to have roleplay at a high quality standard at all times. I have learned how to initiate a lot better, that I should read the rules more often to refresh my mind about them, If possible, solve situations in a friendly manner, not to log off randomly and, well, I also learned this is a server I really really like without even knowing it. It's the, when you have it you don't value it and when you don't have it you realise how important it was to you, but I will actually keep reminding myself of what it felt like being banned if I was to get unbanned.

 
you seem to take this as a lesson, 
please dont disappoint me, And follow our rule from now on. 

UNBANNED 21/08/2017

 
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