Good RP (effort) should be awarded (Police, G6)

[Martle]

So after about a year or so playing just a police character, I decided to create a crim character. Before this, I didn't really see it from both sides. Now after a year of having a crim I get a better picture.

There have been many incidents where police and even G6 just shut down a situation even when you try and put in the effort. I am not saying every police officer or G6 does this. But I feel people who just have a police character are more prone to do this. Maybe they are worried or scared of what may happen, as when I just had a police character, this was how I sometimes thought, always worried of what may happen.

I will give an example from last night, as this is fresh in my mind. I tried for over an hour to create a decent RP situation where I was cleaning the shelves in the pharmacy, and I was on my own to start with; a few people turned up but left after some time. I broke the case the first time, and when police and G6 turned up, I said a bunch of people went in and smashed the place up. Then I changed into a bin outfit and got my rat loader out about 20 minutes later and played the part of being hired to clean the broken items and was told by my boss I need to go clean these pharmacies. After the 2nd attempt, I was told I needed a work order. This is something not everyone can go create themselves, including me. I plead with police and G6. So, I went away and asked someone if they could make me one (in-game), as I am not good with stuff like this. They told me to give them 10 or so minutes, so I went back and tried again, and when G6 came, I told them the work order is being sorted as we speak but again was sent away. So, once I got this work order, I went back; this must have been the 4th or 5th time. But this time they said it wasn't signed . The effort was made, and I felt the RP was good, but the RP wasn't awarded. So, on the final attempt, G6 and police showed up, and I was trying to plead with them, saying I am going to lose my job if I don't get this job done. And also the missus would kick me out, as I haven't been bringing in money to support our family, but again was being shut down. Once G6 left, I was still pleading with police. After some time, they were held up at gunpoint by two of my mates, as they knew what I was doing and knew I had been trying for over an hour, so they ended up coming down. Which isn't the best-case scenario, as it seems the only way to be able to do a pharmacy is to get a hostage, or if you're lucky, they don't turn up. But the pharmacy wasn't robbed, and when they were being held up as I claimed, I didn't know who they were. I was told to leave, then they left with the police being unharmed, and we all went our separate ways. I ended up getting off about 5 to 10 minutes later, as there was no point in continuing to try.

I logged on today and had someone come up to me and give me 30k. I was like, "What's this for?" He said, "I saw the effort you were putting in yesterday at the pharmacy, but they weren't having it.

Another incident the other day: we had a little car chase that then turned into a fun foot chase. There was a police officer literally right behind me; he could have hit me with his baton, but he didn't, as I guess he was having fun chasing me. He could have even maybe tackled me; that's how close he was. But then I was beanbagged, shutting down any fun, and this put me in a bad mood and ruined my evening. Then I was punished like I just had a shoutout with police and killed a bunch of people.

Having a police character and seeing both sides of life, I tend not to be so quick to shut down a situation and let it play out unless they are heading to water or the chase has been going on for ages, and they have been changing cars or if life is at risk.

These are just a few of many. I see people in OOC moaning about police shutting down situations (me included) too quickly, so I thought I would make a post about it to get everyone's views on this. This was more aimed towards police than G6. But on the occasion of last night, G6 was involved and was the party I was interacting more with.

Unsure if a post like this has been made before but if it has, feel free to link it

 

[Barry C]

Totally agree mate, i feel there are a few bad eggs that ruin it for the majority.

I really wish the police mains would atleast try the criminal side, along with crims doing the same.

 

[Alex Taylor]

If you have a look back at the main police meeting notes or have attend any in recent times, I have always harped on about letting the roleplay flow naturally. A few examples from recent meetings;

The usual waffle from me of allowing situations to play out. Your kit is free and NVL bans are a long day. Don’t be afraid to lose some gear and take an L every now and then. We’ve got plenty of tools at our disposal to follow it up after the fact.

Same points as usual of let the roleplay flow, let situations play out and create enjoyable experiences for yourself and those you interact with.

And so on

It’s something we will always encourage and try and promote where possible. From things like ensuring tactics aren’t approved instantly and pursuits are allowed to develop to giving lesser sentences for those who provide enjoyable roleplay in custody.

As always when these threads come up - we can only act on things we know about. We get sent clips fairly often of police shutting down situations and every single time we act on it. If you have issues with cops being shitters, let us know but we need actual evidence to act upon it.

 

[qaws]

I've always said there's too many police mains that have never (recently) experienced criminals' side of RP. They have been playing police for years straight and are almost becoming robotic RP'ers that will not provide any rewarding RP to crims doing something different.

There's a lot of police officers that have a massive win mentality and sadly it doesn't always get reported or sent to police command because the general consensus is that nothing will change anyways.

Example of this is police ALWAYS surviving gunfights and ALWAYS bleeding out when they get kidnapped, or police shutting down any RP from pharmacy robberies because police have no idea it's actually the server meta that MAKES criminals HAVE to do them to make drugs.

There are police officers solely focussed on drivers license points and vehicle points and get a hard on when they can hand out a shit load of points after driving around in a hotzone ALONE giving people a big mouth. Giving out points should not AT ALL be the main focus of police, even RCT.

There's so many examples that command are probably even unaware of, but the root cause is crims that have lost faith in Police core values and thus police becoming more and more corrupted with people that have shitty mentalities.

I don't know how we're going to fix this because those same individuals that ruin it for the others are the same people that are not going to change their ways because of a meeting minutes post or a forum post.

 

[Nikki Nixon]

There are good officers that go with the RP i.e. Frenchie. But most go right for the fastest way to finish/end/win that RP. To get onto the more bigger things. When its one person they don't seem to want to keep interesting RP going. I have been instantly tackled, Told that they are bored and walked off and well lets not talk about police roadmen behaviour, I think its mass burn out. Everyone has been there done that so to say. 100% with police mains who only do police as you have said. they need to see what being crim is like.

 

[Alex Taylor]

sadly it doesn't always get reported or sent to police command because the general consensus is that nothing will change anyways.

That’s an awfully detrimental mentality to hold. How is change to supposed to happen if people aren’t willing to call out bad examples to the people who can deal with the exact issues your raising?

 

[qaws]

That’s an awfully detrimental mentality to hold. How is change to supposed to happen if people aren’t willing to call out bad examples to the people who can deal with the exact issues your raising?

I know and I agree, I try to preach it always but crims have lost faith apparently.

 

[AdamD]

That’s an awfully detrimental mentality to hold. How is change to supposed to happen if people aren’t willing to call out bad examples to the people who can deal with the exact issues your raising?

Because it’s the norm unfortunately! Has been like it for as long as I can remember, I just pray I have a decent cop when I’m being processed who I can have a laugh with before I’m sent to prison and log off for the night as once your in prison there’s not much else I can do other than search some rubbish!

9 mostly Doubled up cars attended a pharmacy on the 15th 730pm (2 of which were g6), I asked who died who has a bomb to justify this response and the officers response was “we’re bored”, if I clip and send you this what would be your next move? You can’t sack 10+police for turning up to a scene, you can only politely ask not to turn up in such force, to which they will just agree and do it again anyway

There are many good cops on the server and props to them who do go out their way to provide a good experience for everyone even some of them are cop mains!

 

[Nikolai]

you can only politely ask not to turn up in such force, to which they will just agree and do it again anyway

any higher up officer (sgt+) can and should tell people to leave if it's not needed

but i do agree, some cops are very heavy handed compared to what's needed

 

[AdamD]

any higher up officer (sgt+) can and should tell people to leave if it's not needed

but i do agree, some cops are very heavy handed compared to what's needed

Think you were there for this one tonight! 9 units at initial dispatch with further 2-3 officers turning up mid sit, 2 people, You believed this to be reasonable?

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[SGT Dean Hastings]

More often then not "shutting down a situation too early" will encroach on some of our internal rules and guidelines. Submit complaints and they'll get dealt with. SGT+ cannot be around all the time and by raising evidence to pol com via complaints these issues can be looked at as a faction.

 

[Nikolai]

Think you were there for this one tonight

i was

9 units at initial dispatch

there was initially only 5 (one vehicle 4 up, and myself 1 up) at the scene, more units were called in due to the small gathering showing up as we were unaware of their relation with you etc. and didn't want something large to begin(which somewhat happened anyway, but was limited to two people)

further 2-3 officers turning up mid sit,

anything above the 5 initial was people showing up

2 people,

i explained "why" in my second "quote" for you

You believed this to be reasonable?

given the uncertainty of the involvement of the few extras that showed up, yea.

once we found out they weren't related(or atleast could presume) and were more there to be "annoying"(in a good way RP wise) it was probably alright for some units to disengage in the sit, but it wasn't called on radio by either of the SGTs on scene, so it didn't not happen by itself, which is not uncommon.

More often then not "shutting down a situation too early" will encroach on some of our internal rules and guidelines.

negative, by the standards of polcom with "let RP take it's course" you would probably be "saved" by them in case someone did complain about it

 

[Jedd Paul]

With the direction the crim life is going right now on the server, it’s just hard work for criminals, I can’t lie it’s slowly sucking the life out of the fun for me,

Example: Doing a hotzone when a police car shows up, heavily out numbered from my gang alone, we tell him to leave, he reluctantly does so, we get stormed by 8+ police cars 3-4 stacked up with head armour and ARs, instantly shut down, no conversation or dispersal leading to a chase, just bang shot, arrested, prison time because naturally as criminals we’re carrying stuff we shouldn’t be.

Another example, robbing a bank as a group, there was 8 of us, 30+ units turn up taking high ground all around the bank, black hawk, npas, firearms, you name it, it’s there. We then get told the 3 ‘lead cars’ are the only cars involved (even though there was 8 cars) and if any of the other cars are seen to follow then any of our demands are now not in play.

Another example, small shootout with the police after literally getting harassed at our own turf when we’re just lamp-posting, the second a single threat is heard in the direction of the police we have multiple 4 stacked firearms units with head armour plotting up around the corner, just waiting for it to kick off, when it inevitably did we attempted to run, after constantly getting rammed, shot at from police cars, I came out of my car after being rammed, whilst running I got hit by a police car going high speed (putting his colleagues at risk in doing so) after being arrested I put in local OOC (getting run over like that was a bit over the top weren’t it?) or something or other, to then have 4 police officers stood in front of me taking the piss out of me for ‘crying’. This continued to cells, this continued to prison. Constantly looking for me to bite, which i inevitably did as this situation went on for near enough an hour. Adding to my prison sentence after I lost my temper and shouted threats at him.

 

[Rouble]

Thought this would be funny to add in here. I'm 1 man in LI

 

[Alesia]

I think a huge problem police is having is the amount of probies for each officer. In the past weeks ive been having 1-2 probies with me + the TO. meaning that if we respond, its easily 3-4 officers +2 dogs arriving in a single car, now if other units like that arrive, you easily suddenly have 12+ cops on scene

 

[Neve]

Heres another example of the points above made by people;

This was a few weeks ago - a group of 3 of us decided to rob Vangelico - and this is just a pic that i took because we couldn't believe how many units turned up - and this doesn't even give it justice, there were even more cops i couldn't fit into the picture to the left of us - and just on the pic there are what? 19 cops?

https://i.gyazo.com/ea5f36d870e2fe90b947bd25912bb3ae.jpg

I won't speak for everyone on the server, and im not going to ramble and repeat all the points others have made, but i do agree that crim life is getting to the point of where it's feeling like it's not even fun anymore. Would be nice to see something done about it, it really does feel like a lot of the police atm do just have the win mentality and it's shutting down a lot of rp opportunities.

 

[Dante]

What started as a 'Reward good RP' turned into another 'Cops over responding' thread. I do believe that good RP should be rewarded always, however, good RP comes both ways. For example, I rarely ever arrested the Triads when they used to rob pharmacies because their RP was always top notch, nothing that I could fault them. They always had answers ready and were prepared. Or even sometimes when they used to sling drugs...

Now, we also need to be realistic here, a simple 'I am cleaning the glasses', 'I am getting my medication' or 'I tripped and hit the till and started taking the cash' is not a 'good RP scenario'.

Regarding the numbers of officers per response, which has been brought up every other month since the FiveM server was created, I do agree that sometimes response can be exaggerated. I do my part as a traffic officer and when we have more than the stipulated units I am the first to ask extra units to stand down. Regarding other types of response, maybe we can introduce a Dispatch type role to somewhat attempt to combat the over response, only time and trial/error would dictate.

 

[qaws]

What started as a 'Reward good RP' turned into another 'Cops over responding' thread. I do believe that good RP should be rewarded always, however, good RP comes both ways. For example, I rarely ever arrested the Triads when they used to rob pharmacies because their RP was always top notch, nothing that I could fault them. They always had answers ready and were prepared. Or even sometimes when they used to sling drugs...

Now, we also need to be realistic here, a simple 'I am cleaning the glasses', 'I am getting my medication' or 'I tripped and hit the till and started taking the cash' is not a 'good RP scenario'.

Regarding the numbers of officers per response, which has been brought up every other month since the FiveM server was created, I do agree that sometimes response can be exaggerated. I do my part as a traffic officer and when we have more than the stipulated units I am the first to ask extra units to stand down. Regarding other types of response, maybe we can introduce a Dispatch type role to somewhat attempt to combat the over response, only time and trial/error would dictate.

Dispatch roles have been done here and there over the past years but to be real, no one can be fucked to do it full-time. We're playing a game for fun and enjoyment after all.

If I take your example about robbing pharmacies (which like I said before is kinda server meta now because the ingredients to make drugs are locked behind robbing the pharmacy), how would you do it? I see a lot of people that ONLY play police talk about how they would, could and should do stuff differently but it's rather hard for a criminal to make something that's inherently part of their job nowadays always different. If police would be up to date with the "crim life" they would hopefully be more understanding.

 

[Dante]

Dispatch roles have been done here and there over the past years but to be real, no one can be fucked to do it full-time. We're playing a game for fun and enjoyment after all.

If I take your example about robbing pharmacies (which like I said before is kinda server meta now because the ingredients to make drugs are locked behind robbing the pharmacy), how would you do it? I see a lot of people that ONLY play police talk about how they would, could and should do stuff differently but it's rather hard for a criminal to make something that's inherently part of their job nowadays always different. If police would be up to date with the "crim life" they would hopefully be more understanding.

I do have a crim, it is just nothing like my police character, and I am kinda glad very limited people know who he is, which is a welcome change. So I do also know (some of) the crims' struggles.

I've had Triads come with a member that had a 'special' type of personality and would literally be physically fighting him to get him to stop breaking the tills and displays as they were there to get his medication so that he would calm down. There was loads of effort both by the player with the 'special needs' personality as well as his 'carers'. Each situation is a different one and hard to sometimes put it into words or even via text might sound as a cliché, but yeah.

 

[Marks]

This was a few weeks ago - a group of 3 of us decided to rob Vangelico - and this is just a pic that i took because we couldn't believe how many units turned up - and this doesn't even give it justice, there were even more cops i couldn't fit into the picture to the left of us - and just on the pic there are what? 19 cops?

https://i.gyazo.com/ea5f36d870e2fe90b947bd25912bb3ae.jpg

I don't understand spinning the narrative to meet your beliefs. You show the picture when most of us pulled up. Yes there were a lot of police but most of them got told to leave and they did. At the end it was around 5 cars left and even you guys were able to escape afterwards. If you are trying to make a point please give full context and don't spin the narrative.