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It makes absolutely zero sense for someone to be manning a drone and watch over people from half the map away for an unlimited amount of time.

For the past 3 weeks, it has been directly over the Coalition Ranch for hours on end, some days it has been there for most of the day, watching both the hill and the ranch.

If it's going to be used so very frequently, at the very least give it some sort of maximum range, and need to be recharged/refuelled. 
 

 
I'm sorry but that drone spends most of it's time on the hill just before the police rush up and catch drug dealers. I don't care that it's catching us being the coalitia. It's the fact it just floats there for hours upon hours without a single need for charging. Literal day and night cycles pass and it's sat there like a CCTV camera on a 1000ft pole. By that logic please make my Tesla unlimited fuel with no need for charging and make it sound like a fighter jet to balance it.

 
Being caught by the drone is not the issue here @Qrow.

Whilst yes, I think it’s a bit ridiculous you can file up a warrant from the safety of PD with only the use of a remote control drone (which adds absolutely nothing to RP other than ‘haha I see you commit a crime and there’s nothing you can do about it’) I’ve sort of come to an understanding that the police enjoy winning a lot more than they enjoy balance.

My issue with the drone is the hilarity of it being completely unlimited and without limitation. You COULD sit NPAS above us for the entire day, but you cannot as efficiently, because it requires refuelling. Why should a drone be any different?

It can barely be seen, is even more difficult to shoot, and is there at all times. Where’s the balance/fun in that?
You have a perception that it's there at all times, but it isn't. It's just over you more often than it isn't because of Mt Haan Road and my previous statement. It's over Hustlers a lot too, as I'm sure they could tell you. It very rarely makes it over to Sandy Shores/Jamestown/Little Seoul/Vespucci Beach/Mirror Park or El Rancho. I know this because for the last month that the drone has been active, it would be fair to say it's pretty much only been me.
In fact for the vast majority of it's life, the drone was locked behind a specialisation and then locked by SGT+ approval, and written off as barely useful because of how noisy it is. 

What you need to appreciate is that it's not about winning. I don't care about winning. I care about stories and roleplay. 
However, the police is built to win and the police will always win, because they can not lose. There is nothing for us to lose. We will always get you in the end. The extent that we get you, is up to you.
RPUK police is based off of and uses legislation in line with the real police service in Britain (mainly due to the court system). Police services are empowered to "win". 
In terms of the server;
Police equipment is free for officers. Police pretty much always record. Police can choose when to and when not to use that recording in roleplay because of bodycam. These things mean, that essentially, we can't lose. So the obsession over winning is completely unwarranted really. I appreciate some officers take actions that are less than desirable and things can feel railroaded, or equipment can be used in such a way that you felt like there was no avenue for you to succeed and I would agree, but we are working hard to reduce those situations - The drone isn't one of those pieces of equipment. You have to show the drone, what it sees and if you drive in a straight line away from it, it can't follow you. 

Frequently (every meeting for the last few months) we push for stories, fair treatment, appreciation of roleplay, etc. Yesterday we had about 50 dispatches from Dutch London, and when we showed up the Vagos rolled out a taco truck and started selling us tacos. It was fun. We cleared the road obstructions of course but no one got arrested and some officers bought tacos. It was amusing. 
There is a line to be drawn between the serious roleplay and what is enjoyable. It is a struggle to walk that line but I think recently, we have been erring on the right side of it as a roleplay police service. 

 
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You have a perception that it's there at all times, but it isn't. It's just over you more often than it isn't because of Mt Haan Road and my previous statement. It's over Hustlers a lot too, as I'm sure they could tell you. It very rarely makes it over to Sandy Shores/Jamestown/Little Seoul/Vespucci Beach/Mirror Park or El Rancho. I know this because for the last month that the drone has been active, it would be fair to say it's pretty much only been me.
In fact for the vast majority of it's life, the drone was locked behind a specialisation and then locked by SGT+ approval, and written off as barely useful because of how noisy it is. 

What you need to appreciate is that it's not about winning. I don't care about winning. I care about stories and roleplay. 
However, the police is built to win and the police will always win, because they can not lose. There is nothing for us to lose. We will always get you in the end. The extent that we get you, is up to you.
RPUK police is based off of and uses legislation in line with the real police service in Britain (mainly due to the court system). Police services are empowered to "win". 
In terms of the server;
Police equipment is free for officers. Police pretty much always record. Police can choose when to and when not to use that recording in roleplay because of bodycam. These things mean, that essentially, we can't lose. So the obsession over winning is completely unwarranted really. I appreciate some officers take actions that are less than desirable and things can feel railroaded, or equipment can be used in such a way that you felt like there was no avenue for you to succeed and I would agree, but we are working hard to reduce those situations - The drone isn't one of those pieces of equipment. You have to show the drone, what it sees and if you drive in a straight line away from it, it can't follow you. 

Frequently (every meeting for the last few months) we push for stories, fair treatment, appreciation of roleplay, etc. Yesterday we had about 50 dispatches from Dutch London, and when we showed up the Vagos rolled out a taco truck and started selling us tacos. It was fun. We cleared the road obstructions of course but no one got arrested and some officers bought tacos. It was amusing. 
There is a line to be drawn between the serious roleplay and what is enjoyable. It is a struggle to walk that line but I think recently, we have been erring on the right side of it as a roleplay police service. 
Okay, and how does this reply relate to the battery life and range of a drone may I ask?

 
“There is a line to be drawn between the serious roleplay and what is enjoyable. It is a struggle to walk that line but I think recently, we have been erring on the right side of it as a roleplay police service. ”

This right here, Qrow, is EXACTLY my point. I understand the police will always win, and yes, we are all here to roleplay and have quirky as well as serious storylines playing out. Yes, mass gunfights and wars happen but we are here for the same reasons.

I am comfortable in saying that a drone does not, in any way, add to, create or benefit roleplay. Walking up to the ranch, even with a bad attitude and looking to make an arrest, is better roleplay than none at all.

It’s merely an untouchable camera that police can use to file a warrant which takes whoever is caught out of the game for upwards of hours when they get out in prison. There’s no way to fight against it other than ‘haha don’t do crime.’ It exists, fine. But it should have limitations.

 
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Also - Whilst you're all like "but we're talking about battery life, and you're talking about something else". 
Well, i'm just appreciating the whole situation. If drug dealing was more spread out. Then the drone wouldn't be there as often. The actual way the drone "works" is less than desirable, I agree but it requires development time that is focussed elsewhere. 
Currently the reason that it has "unlimited battery life" is because the drone can't turn off. The drone can't turn off because if it could we could just park it and switch it off on your rooftops. 
Would that be preferable?

This right here, Qrow, is EXACTLY my point. I understand the police will always win, and yes, we are all here to roleplay and have quirky as well as serious storylines playing out. Yes, mass gunfights and wars happen but we are here for the same reasons.

I am comfortable in saying that a drone does not, in any way, add to, create or benefit roleplay. Walking up to the ranch, even with a bad attitude and looking to make an arrest, is better roleplay than none at all.

It’s merely an untouchable camera that police can use to file a warrant which takes whoever is caught out of the game for upwards of hours when they get out in prison. There’s no way to fight against it other than ‘haha don’t do crime.’ It exists, fine. But it should have limitations.
It creates roleplay situations. It doesn't create them in your favour, I grant you but it doesn't unavoidably catch you. I can't see your license plate on a vehicle. All I get is your description as a person. I don't get your name or anything else about you. If you changed your clothes, or got a new tattoo, a haircut, a different hat even, you're a new person as far as the drone is concerned. Someone always has to come and identify you, on the ground. 

 
Also - Whilst you're all like "but we're talking about battery life, and you're talking about something else". 
Well, i'm just appreciating the whole situation. If drug dealing was more spread out. Then the drone wouldn't be there as often. The actual way the drone "works" is less than desirable, I agree but it requires development time that is focussed elsewhere. 
Currently the reason that it has "unlimited battery life" is because the drone can't turn off. The drone can't turn off because if it could we could just park it and switch it off on your rooftops. 
Would that be preferable?
So, the only con here is development time which is the same for nearly every suggestion. How about there be a rule that it can only be used for 20 minutes before it needs to be recalled back to MRPD, and then have a cooldown period before it can be used again. Maybe ROLEPLAY the fact it has a limited battery.

 
Except it's not unrelated is it. 
Your arguing something doesn't make sense in roleplay. 
This doesn't make sense in roleplay. 
It makes literally 0 sense, that you'll happily roll up 10 deep and shoot police officers in broad daylight, or that you'll openly threaten police officers on mt haan road with shotguns, etc just for being there. 
That police officers get shot for performing arrests for driving without a license.
That's not fun. It's not fun for the police, and I don't see how it's actually fun for you either. Is that not win mentality? Seeing as those words are getting bandied around. 
 
You are using "you" so generally here. You are clumping every crim into this and still moving away from a suggestion of battery life and using a drone realistically. You are bringing up issues that police have with all crims and your defence of the drone having unlimited battery is, crims don't fear the police so we will abuse a game mechanic.
 

This suggestion is about the battery life and realistic use of a drone, my suggestion again if you are so for roleplay and dont want to put more work on the devs, ROLEPLAY the fact the drone has limits and make it realistic. 

 
I appreciate, that you do not like something. 
I see your point, about why you feel that it's unfair. 

I will re-iterate however, you only get caught doing an actual crime by the drone, if you do a crime in front of the drone and then get identified by someone else. You then may or may not, have a warrant put out for your arrest. You may then get arrested, interviewed, placed in prison.
All of this is roleplay. It's just not roleplay you appreciate, because you're not interacting with the first part.
It's actually not that different to sitting in a bush with binoculars over the top of Mt Haan road.
The only difference is that you might see that person because GTA/FiveM doesn't render the bush in from distance and you don't have a sound that you can hear from 1500ft. 
You still wouldn't be involved in the roleplay, you would still find it uninteractive. Let's say you don't actually see the person because the bush does render in. You still would be watched on Mt Haan without need for refuel. 


And just to re-iterate, because you're all getting defensive. I honestly don't care about coalition or it's members. You don't rate on my radar. I don't think about you.

You're just easy to catch on the living in your head rent-free overpowered no battery-life drone. 

 
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I appreciate, that you do not like something. 
I see your point, about why you feel that it's unfair. 

I will re-iterate however, you only get caught doing an actual crime by the drone, if you do a crime in front of the drone and then get identified by someone else. You then may or may not, have a warrant put out for your arrest. You may then get arrested, interviewed, placed in prison.
All of this is roleplay. It's just not roleplay you appreciate, because you're not interacting with the first part.
It's actually not that different to sitting in a bush with binoculars over the top of Mt Haan road.
The only difference is that you might see that person because GTA/FiveM doesn't render the bush in from distance and you don't have a sound that you can hear from 1500ft. 
You still wouldn't be involved in the roleplay, you would still find it uninteractive. Let's say you don't actually see the person because the bush does render in. You still would be watched on Mt Haan without need for refuel. 


And just to re-iterate, because you're all getting defensive. I honestly don't care about coalition or it's members. You don't rate on my radar. I don't think about you.

You're just easy to catch on the living in your head rent-free overpowered no-battery life drone. 
Having someone sat in a bush with binoculars would actually be more interactive and exactly the sort of direction this would be preferred to go in. As would the use of NPAS.

As I’ve said many times so far, and what this ENTIRE suggestion is based upon. Being watched and caught is not the issue, but the fact the drone is unlimited and unrestricted, is.

An officer on foot could be seen and confronted, or would have to leave for food/fuel. NPAS, as you have said, is 1000x stronger than the drone, but still has limitations in its requirement to refuel.

We understand we are being watched and that fact alone does not bother us, it’s the lack of restriction/realism in its need for refuelling/recharging. I’m not asking they take your precious drone off you.

 
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This has just turned into petty arguments. If people continue, restrictions will be given and the thread will be locked, simple as.

Since you all claim to be mature, act like it instead of nitpicking, when something doesn't suit your argument.

 
Having someone sat in a bush with binoculars would actually be me interactive and exactly the sort of direction this would be preferred to go in. As would the use of NPAS.

As I’ve said many times so far, and what this ENTIRE suggestion is based upon. Being watched and caught is not the issue, but the fact the drone is unlimited and unrestricted, is.

An officer on foot could be seen and confronted, or would have to leave for food/fuel. NPAS, as you have said, is 1000x stronger than the drone, but still has limitations in its requirement to refuel.

We understand we are being watched and that fact alone does not bother us, it’s the lack of restriction/realism in its need for refuelling/recharging. I’m not asking they take your precious drone off you.
Yes, but what I've been trying to put across is that it's not that different because you KNOW it's there. You can't not, which is currently I suppose where the balance lies. The 5 minutes that NPAS is not there refuelling, is probably not reasonably going to be when the crime happens. It'll probably be during the circa 95 minutes that it was there overhead. You couldn't see it, or be aware of it. You can be identified a warrant would appear with no outside interaction from the helicopter. To me that seems significantly less balanced. 

The most "fair" I'm sure is the person in a bush, but again, if they're not seen they could sit there with 20 smoothies and be there all night, it would still require the range of interaction as the drone though. 

I know that you're talking about battery life. I am talking about balance. You are asking for something, I am attempting to inform on different things that mean that there is still balance despite no battery life. If it had battery life, we would reasonably be able to turn off the engine. That would potentially be worse for balance.
If there was a range, say 1 or 2 miles circular. That would still be a ludicrous space for you to attempt to search. You would be very lucky to find someone that far away in a bush or an alcove etc, effectively looking for someone that would resemble a local, for their safety in plain clothes using a tablet that after 9pm wouldn't render in. 

I appreciate, from your responses that you don't agree, and that's fine. 

It has restrictions, out of 140ish active officers, there's circa 10-20 people at a push with access. According to Mr Tadworth who worked with Recon, I was informed that the police have an activity of 5% on any given night.
On a given evening, if we round up, that's 1 person with drone access and that person then has to choose to use it. choose where to fly it etc.

It's my current gimmick. I'm enjoying it and have done for a month or so - In about a week or so i'll probably get bored of it, and you'll probably never/rarely see it again, like before. 

 
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Can you really hear the drone when it's that high up? The only times I've heard it is when it's been virtually on top of me and other people I have spoken to have said the same.

 
I can't lie...I have been thinking this myself the last few days. I feel like I can't even go to my locker anymore as there are constantly drones about. I know you can hear them, but what about if they're like super high in the sky? As they can still zoom in...Can you still hear them? I feel like a drone is super random too lol Just feel like you can't store your stuff anywhere these days as police have these to raid...your house, your cars, your safehouse and then lockers are the last thing we have to store things [which can still be raided if found] and now we are being followed for hours on end it just needs nerfed abit.

 
Can you really hear the drone when it's that high up? The only times I've heard it is when it's been virtually on top of me and other people I have spoken to have said the same.
I was over Ballas carwash prior to the ballas raid and an officer at strawberry gas, whilst I was 1500ft up in the air told me they could hear it clearly. 

I went to Sandy Shores, I was 1000ft up at the airfield, and as I got closer into render distance, the aztecas were on motel roof, pointing at me with their phones raised. 
You can hear it because it uses the same sound as one of the planes. You just have to know what to listen for I suppose. 

I can't lie...I have been thinking this myself the last few days. I feel like I can't even go to my locker anymore as there are constantly drones about. I know you can hear them, but what about if they're like super high in the sky? As they can still zoom in...Can you still hear them? I feel like a drone is super random too lol Just feel like you can't store your stuff anywhere these days as police have these to raid...your house, your cars, your safehouse and then lockers are the last thing we have to store things [which can still be raided if found] and now we are being followed for hours on end it just needs nerfed abit.
It's literally just me, in one singular drone and only for around 2-3 hours.
I also don't hover over one place as stated here. I just go to where the dispatches are 99% of the time - as stated, for coalition it's just unfortunate. They have the monopoly on drugs so the drone tends to sit over them. They've definitely seen it most nights for the month i've been using it. Bearing in mind the police have had this thing for a very long time. 

There are further restrictions on # of drone out. It's not like we've got some sort of drone network communicating up and down the island. The maximum I believe is two. Hardly full city wide coverage. 

Also, just to address other points here so there's no confusion. 
The police don't have carte blanché from the courts to just raid stuff because we see gang members there. That's not how it works. 
The drone can't identify anyone accurately unless I get an officer to physically go down there and arrest. In theory, if I got to 10ft I could zoom in on a number plate, but that's it. 
If it's over 600ft, it can't see you if you're not inside a vehicle (because of how binoculars rendering work). 
In the cases of the vagos container raids, the drone watched those containers get accessed, either directly before or directly after a major gunfight in which the individual of matching identity or exact description was accessing the container was seen to be a participant. Furthermore, one of the individuals involved was banned from driving and routinely drove to the container, which gave me cause to request a sting and obtain identity and then link that identity to multiple criminal activities over the past few days as well as an incident that directly followed container access.
Also, those containers were literally a stones throw away from Vagos main turf. There wasn't much following involved. 

In respect to S18/S17 house entry - Emergency house entry will not yield vehicles. Emergency house entry does not apply to containers.
 
These only really apply if you're doing criminal activities on an "extreme" level or directly flee'ing into a home. Otherwise, court approval is needed and we have to evidence significant criminality or ties to criminality, accurate identification, what we expect to find and why. There is also come back on the police if there ends up being an issue with the execution of a warrant. 

Also - again, the drone can't really follow anyone. It goes 80 knots at a push, which is 92mph. The only time the drone can pursue is potentially through vinewood hills because you can't get up to speed. 

Before anyone @'s me about how the suggestion is about battery life. People expressed balance concerns, and I was just answering concerns ~

 
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Hello everyone it's me again back to cry more about the LSPS' vibranium drones which can absolutely be shot down. Here I am shooting it 4-5 times with a marksman, which is very silly of me as I now realise I should have been using an anti-air cannon.

https://medal.tv/games/gta-v/clips/KuDEezz-zcVXi/d13378DDe1s4?invite=cr-MSxJWjYsMzM3NzMzOTUs
Shots 1-2: Clearly missed.
Shots 3: Missed due to recoil (bad spray control).
Shots 4: Very close, but recoil and inaccuracy make these reasonable misses.
Shot 5-6: Likely didn't actually fire because you are holding a phone not a gun.

 
Shots 1-2: Clearly missed.
Shots 3: Missed due to recoil (bad spray control).
Shots 4: Very close, but recoil and inaccuracy make these reasonable misses.
Shot 5-6: Likely didn't actually fire because you are holding a phone not a gun.
Ernie is the best shooter in the server. I trust his detective work.

 
Honestly the drone is so broken i shot it like 8 times with an L8 nothing happened, then its been flown all around the city keeping up with super cars with no range limit or fuel all in the safety of the police station. If you honestly think the drone is not broken then i don't know what more to say 

 
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