This discussion will be based on the following unban request:
Last comment by Wilco 6:43 AM
"Nope... im still mega pissed of at this.
It was clearly advertised throughout the event, even his twitch url was given out...
We had been trying to get this guy back onto the server for a whole week... it was a dick move and 100% RDM, fuck all roleplay in that.
Unban Denied."
I'm gonna be less polite and gonna shine through my own opinion more in this topic. Wilco is the founder of this wonderful server, a server we can all call a Community Server. Although, untill 2 days ago I was kinda sure about that. Then something happend were this is all about. A few rebels took out a 'famous' streamer. The killer (Trinity Killer) got a permanent ban because he took down a famous streamer in a legal way. Legal? Yes, there is no rule stating that killing famous people is not allowed. And then tell me, try to define famous, it's not possible. Then why a ban? Because the admin got pissed off and tried a whole week to get him into the server. I completely understand his anger. But do you really want a streamer who leaves after once getting killed? You'd better give him godmode then or make better security/rules. Banning someone for a happening like this is just not done.
So yes, it was denied yesterday by Wilco. Without any good reason, again looking from his own eyes and not even bothering to use common sense. Wilco was standing 5 meters close when it all happend. He didn't try to stop it that bad and now it is too late. For the most of the players here that streamer was just a streamer. When I make a twitch account and I give out my url, do I become famous? No. He was famous in your eyes Wilco, you knew about him but for other players he was just another streamer who was singing.
This Trinity dude should just be unbanned. There is no bigger punishment than a permanent ban and he is not the only one who made faults.
Again I will quote my opinion and since this is a community server I would like to hear more opinions.
I hope you will respect this Wilco and do not see it as some kind of protest. I'm just someone who loves communities and what here happend is far from fair.
Comment by Wietse02 9:23 PM
"I watched the stream, read the whole discussion and heard stories from both sides.
Firstly Wilco, you are an admin. That TVSBOH dude had no special status, no DJ icon above his head, nothing what drove him out of the big group, civilians. That means he was just a civilian for all people who were 'just' playing. You knew who he was. You and Cardoso are seeing this happening only through your eyes, not through the independent.
When you look through the independent, for example me, you would see that there is no clarification about the whole contract killing. Those PT-guys hated his voice, alright that's their opinion. They wanted to set a bounty on his head (What is even possible in real life too, and since there is no rule for it they were just RP) and so they did. Trinity was just a member who executed him after serveral warnings (they waited and warned for 10 min at least). Wilco was standing in the same building, was dancing, talking, doing things, but he didnt even say one word in public about that 'DJ' nor about the 'possible risk of him getting contract killed, since it was announced'.
The most important thing that bothers me and really fustrates me is the way admins sometimes handle on this server. I'm a cop myself and for us it's just the fact of a 'name' to give through and that name will be banned without even clear proof. In my eyes, in Trinity's eyes and in the whole PT-gang who was online, that DJ was 'just' another civilian. You can make anything bad of that, since there is not even one lead of being a very famous streamer. I know it's good for the server, but isn't it very silly when a guy gets banned because he legally killed someone who actually turned out to be a streamer? Doesn't it sound like people getting banned because they killed the admin, an admin who can't take his loss? And that little sign of this circumstance makes me scary, that little sign let me remind of FrankieonPC, who is always teaming up with admins and having the most rarest weapons.
I'm not gonna say that this way of advertising is bad. Not at all, it's fun and a very good original way. So my congratz to you admins, you are putting all your strength in the server and when it's getting ruined this way I completely understand that you become angry. But then once more, just try to lower your anger and look through the eyes of an independent guy. Then you would see that the action what Trinity did is not that illegal. It's actually kinda normal. He accepts and sees that what he did is not something what he can do again. But I'm sure that he learned from this and not even him, all players invloved, including Wilco and Cardoso.
One thing for sure, if Trinity remains banned then all other gang members who were involved need to get a ban too. He did it with his team. And if he won't get unbanned, I want a good reason and comment on this otherwise, and I'm sorry to say, I'm gonna put a big questionmark above my head when I ever resign a cop.
The Butcher NL"
Last comment by Wilco 6:43 AM
"Nope... im still mega pissed of at this.
It was clearly advertised throughout the event, even his twitch url was given out...
We had been trying to get this guy back onto the server for a whole week... it was a dick move and 100% RDM, fuck all roleplay in that.
Unban Denied."
I'm gonna be less polite and gonna shine through my own opinion more in this topic. Wilco is the founder of this wonderful server, a server we can all call a Community Server. Although, untill 2 days ago I was kinda sure about that. Then something happend were this is all about. A few rebels took out a 'famous' streamer. The killer (Trinity Killer) got a permanent ban because he took down a famous streamer in a legal way. Legal? Yes, there is no rule stating that killing famous people is not allowed. And then tell me, try to define famous, it's not possible. Then why a ban? Because the admin got pissed off and tried a whole week to get him into the server. I completely understand his anger. But do you really want a streamer who leaves after once getting killed? You'd better give him godmode then or make better security/rules. Banning someone for a happening like this is just not done.
So yes, it was denied yesterday by Wilco. Without any good reason, again looking from his own eyes and not even bothering to use common sense. Wilco was standing 5 meters close when it all happend. He didn't try to stop it that bad and now it is too late. For the most of the players here that streamer was just a streamer. When I make a twitch account and I give out my url, do I become famous? No. He was famous in your eyes Wilco, you knew about him but for other players he was just another streamer who was singing.
This Trinity dude should just be unbanned. There is no bigger punishment than a permanent ban and he is not the only one who made faults.
Again I will quote my opinion and since this is a community server I would like to hear more opinions.
I hope you will respect this Wilco and do not see it as some kind of protest. I'm just someone who loves communities and what here happend is far from fair.
Comment by Wietse02 9:23 PM
"I watched the stream, read the whole discussion and heard stories from both sides.
Firstly Wilco, you are an admin. That TVSBOH dude had no special status, no DJ icon above his head, nothing what drove him out of the big group, civilians. That means he was just a civilian for all people who were 'just' playing. You knew who he was. You and Cardoso are seeing this happening only through your eyes, not through the independent.
When you look through the independent, for example me, you would see that there is no clarification about the whole contract killing. Those PT-guys hated his voice, alright that's their opinion. They wanted to set a bounty on his head (What is even possible in real life too, and since there is no rule for it they were just RP) and so they did. Trinity was just a member who executed him after serveral warnings (they waited and warned for 10 min at least). Wilco was standing in the same building, was dancing, talking, doing things, but he didnt even say one word in public about that 'DJ' nor about the 'possible risk of him getting contract killed, since it was announced'.
The most important thing that bothers me and really fustrates me is the way admins sometimes handle on this server. I'm a cop myself and for us it's just the fact of a 'name' to give through and that name will be banned without even clear proof. In my eyes, in Trinity's eyes and in the whole PT-gang who was online, that DJ was 'just' another civilian. You can make anything bad of that, since there is not even one lead of being a very famous streamer. I know it's good for the server, but isn't it very silly when a guy gets banned because he legally killed someone who actually turned out to be a streamer? Doesn't it sound like people getting banned because they killed the admin, an admin who can't take his loss? And that little sign of this circumstance makes me scary, that little sign let me remind of FrankieonPC, who is always teaming up with admins and having the most rarest weapons.
I'm not gonna say that this way of advertising is bad. Not at all, it's fun and a very good original way. So my congratz to you admins, you are putting all your strength in the server and when it's getting ruined this way I completely understand that you become angry. But then once more, just try to lower your anger and look through the eyes of an independent guy. Then you would see that the action what Trinity did is not that illegal. It's actually kinda normal. He accepts and sees that what he did is not something what he can do again. But I'm sure that he learned from this and not even him, all players invloved, including Wilco and Cardoso.
One thing for sure, if Trinity remains banned then all other gang members who were involved need to get a ban too. He did it with his team. And if he won't get unbanned, I want a good reason and comment on this otherwise, and I'm sorry to say, I'm gonna put a big questionmark above my head when I ever resign a cop.
The Butcher NL"
