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As of recently I feel like the city has been having less and less things to do.

Ever since trucking got taken away and mechanic job glitching I feel like the city needs to reverse back a bit, fix the bugs, get stuff done and then implement new things.

Trucking was one of the best jobs for people, it kept money flowing and also it helped the economy, nowadays it's either sell drugs or basically earn nothing, yes we have Mechanic jobs however the trucks are glitchy, the blips on the map don't disappear the car is gone, sometimes the cars even de-spawn, Taxi driving doesn't give a lot of money it's basically just a quick starter to get the money to start mechanic work.

Mining is also out the window of a job, I see on Tweedle people trying to sell their ores and nobody is interested, nothing to do with them anymore, we used to have Mr White to sell them too but he isn't in the city anymore neither is his business, I think we need a warehouse where we can sell minerals/smelted items so we can earn larger sums of money.

The city now is "Crime Simulator" in my opinion, sell drugs and don't get caught.

Please can we have at least trucking back until there is a new job to take it's place, something to keep our economy going 24/7.

Pros:
More to do
Economy balance
Crime rates drop
Give developers more time to work on more jobs to eventually take it's place
Helps newer players getting a start

Cons:
Having to implement it back it in.
(Will edit when I find more cons)

Please share your opinions and changes you'd like made to the city below!

 
I totally agree. Whilst there is plans in the future i believe for new RP situational jobs there's currently just not enough other means to make money. 

Yes i agree there is delivery jobs and taxi jobs but there somewhat isolating also and you don't earn enough from them to make it worth it if you take into account - food, water, repair kits, (potential bandages ) and fuel costs. 
We are all resorted to drugs now and about 400 CID everywhere makes that near impossible also. 

 
I think its a great idea, been a lot less fun in the city basically only having drugs, Taxi or casino as the ways to make funds.

I miss the days of spending hours trucking about, getting into funny and weird situations with people at the depo etc and see why it was removed, however removing without a suitable replacement for making money hurt a lot of people especially now that upgrades and stuff are expensive as hell.

I think aswell, more jobs would be ideal, maybe not making ones pay better than others or at least not by a lot. It would mean more people try drifferent things, which would lead to less mess at the truck depot aswell, because people would be off lets say, doing Garbage runs or farming or what ever is brought in.

Raising prices on things makes sense to balance the economy, but then removing jobs at the same time means the poorer people in the city struggle.

When it comes to mining, there was a new mining business being made by Mike Buttons and it was going well, but with all the changes the city has made recently, Mike and some others I know started waking up a lot less frequently, I think the city definitely needs a replacement for Mr White, his business was amazing, I always used to direct the new people I came across to him and his business as one of the best ways to get some starting funds, and they always came back happy with the way things went.

I think another change or tweak that should be made is with fishing, its good that you can still catch turtles, sharks etc but the odds are so low at the moment that its more efficent to just sell the trout, go back and get another boot full. I dont think it should be how it used to be, that was a little too easy, but finding a new middleground would be a whole lot better than keeping it how it is, and the turtle and sharks becoming redundant again. I always used to love the RP situations I got into within my first weeks in the city, down at the Zancudo beach fishing.

The loss of some of these jobs hasnt just hurt the bank accounts of players, it has also removed some places for good RP, trucking depot, land fishing spots etc, I hope some replacements come extremely soon, people seem to be waking up a lot less 😞

 
I agree to the extent that changes must apply, it is crucial yet nessaaccary to implement a balance of both civilian life and criminal life in roleplay. In further detail, criminals have more opportunities and optional sources of income than civilians do, they also have almost a superior advantage to those who are not affiliated to a gang; having access to certain weapons, contacts, resources and so on. Whilst civilians who chose not live a life of gangster and prosper with a legal and fair life in the city have little to no opportunities at all. This isnt supposed to be predominantly a criminal city, why? because a justice system exists,  law enforcement exists, (some) legal jobs exist and beyond. It symbolises and mirrors a realistic yet modern society. Regarding civilian life, to finalise my points, civilians need more jobs available to them that pays an adequate and sufficient amount for their work. For example, other servers have implemented Amazon delivery driver jobs, Royal Mail delivery jobs, Office work and far more. You get the gist. Having a balance in character life makes it far more fun and enjoyable for everyone including police officers since police could actually take investigations and arrests against criminals more inclusive, realistic and exciting. Ultimately, its the desire to have more opportunities for people in the city to experience and become available to them.

Although there can be more intricate development within the server regarding civilian and criminal life, i would hope i can some day mention them personally with the developer team or possibly post a public suggestion. However its in our best interest for the developers with their respected efforts to focus on one matter at a time. This server has an abundance of potential which i hope one day to whiteness it at some point. The whole RP.UK team are once again appreciated, however more is to be seen 😉

 
There have been countless suggestions regarding adding new jobs to the server, so I thought I would reply to this and try and answer a few questions.

As of recently I feel like the city has been having less and less things to do.
In regard to this, what are you referring to as recently? We haven't removed anything that hasn't been replaced (Without very good reason).

Ever since trucking got taken away
Trucking wasn't "Taken away" as we strive for a player run economy we have tried to push it in that direction by making it player run jobs, where the players decide the pay. If the pay is bad, don't do them, after a while they will be forced to increase their prices.

mechanic job glitching
This seems like it needs to be put in a bug report, as if there are issues with jobs making them unusable we need to know exactly what they are so we can fix them.

Trucking was one of the best jobs for people, it kept money flowing and also it helped the economy,
Personally, all I see here is that trucking was good because it payed well, although the RP provided was limited as it was drive here, drive here (For most people. ANYONE Can make RP from a job, although a lot of these jobs being taken were just to grind money) (The point im trying to make here is, im not saying NO ONE RPed doing this job, a good amount of people did although, ALOT were just doing it to make money/grind)

it's either sell drugs or basically earn nothing
Although this isn't strictly true, even if it was, the idea here is to RP, to build up your character story rather than just grind for money...

yes we have Mechanic jobs however the trucks are glitchy, the blips on the map don't disappear the car is gone, sometimes the cars even de-spawn
Ok, this is more useful in terms of finding issues. In terms of the blips and cars despawning that is something that has been looked into and we are not sure there is a fix for (We continue to look though 🙂 ). 

Taxi driving doesn't give a lot of money it's basically just a quick starter to get the money to start mechanic work.
This again to me falls under the, Grind Not RP Mindset.

nobody is interested, nothing to do with them anymore, we used to have Mr White to sell them too but he isn't in the city anymore neither is his business
Again, another valid point although this is a HUGE meta thing that is being discussed by the developers, dev lead and management. Something is in the work and more information will be shared soonTM

The city now is "Crime Simulator" in my opinion, sell drugs and don't get caught.
I feel this is just factually untrue, the city is what you make it. There are so many different avenues of roleplay to explore, I feel as though commonly if the main way of making money is drugs (which is realistic, high risk, high reward) people assume the server is Crime focused. Which proves my point of Money Over RP. People do drugs as it makes the most money, but then raise that we are too crime focused.

Please can we have at least trucking back until there is a new job to take it's place, something to keep our economy going 24/7.
We are constantly looking and reviewing if our changes are having a positive or negative effect on the server. Although personally I think the changes to trucking will benefit the server overall.

There are new things being worked on all the time, but you have to appreciate that not all the updates will A, be seen by players (Back end/server efficiency changes) or B, be in your interest (Police changes or adding other illegal activities). Obviously the difficult thing for us as developers is attempting to balance peoples expectations, their wants and also the server meta in all of that. If you really take a step back and re-read your message do you truley see it as objective and not at all in an attacking sort of sense? As the main content of this suggestion is to re-add trucking as there is no good way to make money otherwise, the rest of this suggestion just feels like a bang to the devs. While some points raised are good, this is not the place to raise them, for example the bugs need to be put into reports. At the end of the day everyone wants different things, some people want more bank robberies some want more civ jobs, which then makes our lives more difficult deciding which to work on first and prioritise.

Been a snoozer lately 
And yeah, this doesn't help anyone.

Although I do often consult with other devs before posting my messages, this post is of MY views of this suggestion and due to people raising that they think the devs do not respond enough to suggestions I thought I would reply to this one to raise some points that I had while reading it. At the end of the day everyone here volunteers their time here for free for their own enjoyment. I really do hope you can see some of my points and take them onboard, Im in no way going at you for the way you may feel and it may be that you didn't realise alot of the points I have raised, but again, thats why I have made this post.

 
@Paint I can see your points however I feel like with recent changes to auto-shops, supplies etc

We have no choice but to grind for roleplay.

I thank you for actually coming forward as yourself personally replying to this, it means a lot.

In regard to this, what are you referring to as recently? We haven't removed anything that hasn't been replaced (Without very good reason).
Trucking was recently removed the Ron Fuel, unless time has taken the toll onto me and it's been a month.

Trucking wasn't "Taken away" as we strive for a player run economy we have tried to push it in that direction by making it player run jobs, where the players decide the pay. If the pay is bad, don't do them, after a while they will be forced to increase their prices.
It was never taken away I agree, but it's been "nerfed" if you will to the point where people are asking for £5 for a delivery to be made.

This seems like it needs to be put in a bug report, as if there are issues with jobs making them unusable we need to know exactly what they are so we can fix them.
Of course I really do believe this would've been better as a bug report, my fault for not looking through myself, I will make a bug report.

Personally, all I see here is that trucking was good because it payed well, although the RP provided was limited as it was drive here, drive here (For most people. ANYONE Can make RP from a job, although a lot of these jobs being taken were just to grind money) (The point im trying to make here is, im not saying NO ONE RPed doing this job, a good amount of people did although, ALOT were just doing it to make money/grind).
I will get into the money/grind thing at the other quote, I get the RP side of things on why this could've affected the server.

Although this isn't strictly true, even if it was, the idea here is to RP, to build up your character story rather than just grind for money...
A lot of the server is grind, real life is grind for money, I mean yeah we can be creative and make our own businesses or advertise a service like Auto-Exotics however business plans are closed for now as been told by staff, I really do feel like the prices of everything of course we need to grind, we have autocare shops that are really expensive, we have shops that are really expensive, and also gas stations can be so expensive that you need to go to another one across the town to get a cheaper price.

The economy in my opinion and some others is ruined and how are we meant to progress our characters when the economy is really bad, I mean car shop owners are profiting a lot off of this as well, making millions so they don't have to worry about a thing.

We really don't want to be selling drugs 100% of the time just so we can afford one car, or one house, we wanna be able to widen our horizons and I think fuel trucking the way it was, was amazing we can initiate RP more if that's what you want us to do, I mean I used to sit at the trucking depot for AGES talking about life and trucking it's amazing.

But main thing I am trying to get at here the server is a grind for stuff, you can't sit there and talk and grow your character without grinding, otherwise you'd basically starve to death in my opinion.

We are constantly looking and reviewing if our changes are having a positive or negative effect on the server. Although personally I think the changes to trucking will benefit the server overall.
In my opinion I think it ruined the economy a lot, I mean as a daily server player and from feedback from others who also play on the server daily, it's not a target audience change that we were excited for.

Developing isn't an easy job heck I couldn't do it if you put a coding program in front of me and I understand that, as a player base, as the servers audience we really want something more to do other than sell jobs, if mechanic jobs get fixed that'd be awesome I will put up a bug report of that for sure, but I/we really want something other than selling drugs to make a lot of money, not all of us sit around growing we like to grind for things so we can grow as people.

There are new things being worked on all the time, but you have to appreciate that not all the updates will A, be seen by players (Back end/server efficiency changes) or B, be in your interest (Police changes or adding other illegal activities). Obviously the difficult thing for us as developers is attempting to balance peoples expectations, their wants and also the server meta in all of that. If you really take a step back and re-read your message do you truly see it as objective and not at all in an attacking sort of sense? As the main content of this suggestion is to re-add trucking as there is no good way to make money otherwise, the rest of this suggestion just feels like a bang to the devs. While some points raised are good, this is not the place to raise them, for example the bugs need to be put into reports. At the end of the day everyone wants different things, some people want more bank robberies some want more civ jobs, which then makes our lives more difficult deciding which to work on first and prioritise.
I can completely understand your point of view as a developer and how you want to balance things out, as someone who has taken business studies, I understand how things work behind the scene, I read it as a suggestion, again with text it sometimes is hard to tell if it's an attack, I would never want anyone to feel attacked by my points made, I think I tried to get the point across without sugar coating it.

I would like to apologise if I did seem to be bashing you guys I mean you do a lot for the server and you help in the best ways possible, I would never purposely bash the devs because of what they do and we're all human at the end of the day.

I only raised this because a lot of us in city had a conversation and thought it would be nice to raise this as a suggestion, and yes I will put the bug reports into bug reports section I just thought they'd be mentioned already which is on me I do apologise for not doing that research.

I know it's hard to please everybody, it is a very hard subject, however I wanted to raise this as a suggestion from people I have spoken with.

And yeah, this doesn't help anyone.
Yeah it don't, I rolled my eyes when I saw it.

Although I do often consult with other devs before posting my messages, this post is of MY views of this suggestion and due to people raising that they think the devs do not respond enough to suggestions I thought I would reply to this one to raise some points that I had while reading it. At the end of the day everyone here volunteers their time here for free for their own enjoyment. I really do hope you can see some of my points and take them onboard, Im in no way going at you for the way you may feel and it may be that you didn't realise alot of the points I have raised, but again, thats why I have made this post.
I would like to thank you for reaching out into this suggestion, being upfront is always a good way to resolve something and I am thankful that you decided to replied on your own accord, please know I would never purposefully bash you or any other staff team member.

I understand fully that you guys dev for free and I think I can say for all of us that you do that job well, I have taken your points on board and I hope my replies have cleared things up. 

Thank you for taken time to write all of this I have read it to my best of abilities

 
You progress in roleplay by making connections, developing up your character story with other characters, making friends and enemies, money will eventually come along the way. Don't get me wrong i do think there should be more civ jobs but interactive ones, but most of the posts I've read so far about jobs is people complaining they cant semi afk make money without roleplaying or even talking to anyone like trucking was 🤷

 
You progress in roleplay by making connections, developing up your character story with other characters, making friends and enemies, money will eventually come along the way. Don't get me wrong i do think there should be more civ jobs but interactive ones, but most of the posts I've read so far about jobs is people complaining they cant semi afk make money without roleplaying or even talking to anyone like trucking was 🤷
As Paint said not everyone ignored RP when trucking, and I don't think it was semi-afk, I remember delivering petrol and talking to people at the depot and also talking to people while fuelling.

I would like to also point out I know a lot of people, I have been through a lot with my character, I still am learning with my character however the server is always grinding for money, that'll never change, we are very money driven.

 
As Paint said not everyone ignored RP when trucking, and I don't think it was semi-afk, I remember delivering petrol and talking to people at the depot and also talking to people while fuelling.

I would like to also point out I know a lot of people, I have been through a lot with my character, I still am learning with my character however the server is always grinding for money, that'll never change, we are very money driven.
Totally agree ofc its not everyone but the majority, even with selling drugs u have the minority of people who get creative and play the guitar etc etc and you have the person who when you try to interact with him you can hear music blasting through his mic trying to run away from the roleplay so he can go back being semi afk and focus grind 😂

 
Totally agree ofc its not everyone but the majority, even with selling drugs u have the minority of people who get creative and play the guitar etc etc and you have the person who when you try to interact with him you can hear music blasting through his mic trying to run away from the roleplay so he can go back being semi afk and focus grind 😂
Emoting while selling drugs is not allowed.

And when they're avoiding RP then they should be reported for not willing to roleplay in situations.

 
Emoting while selling drugs is not allowed.

And when they're avoiding RP then they should be reported for not willing to roleplay in situations.
I'm pretty sure you are allowed to use emotes like I saw a guy with a guitar when selling drugs like going up "singing a song" I remember seeing it and thought it was unique as being a musician  , but you cant cancel animations n that when selling drugs 

 
I'm pretty sure you are allowed to use emotes like I saw a guy with a guitar when selling drugs like going up "singing a song" I remember seeing it and thought it was unique as being a musician  , but you cant cancel animations n that when selling drugs 
I was told using emotes like clipboard etc while selling is exploiting, maybe it was worded wrong.

 
I'll drop my 2 cents, for people that have been here a while they already have connections they have money as it was easier to attain a few months back, the problem I see is people are leaving the server due to not being able to do anything, yes you can say use your imagination and RP which is fine for older members as we are established within our characters, new players will struggle, as any new player goes to a gang turf, you'll either get called CID and undercover cop, or told to leave, in turn this leads them to just grind and when grinding becomes there day to day action that kills the RP, they can't Rob flecas, money is the only thing they have to aim for get enough money to get a nice car, then maybe they can noticed by others for not being a "crackhead" anymore.

I've noticed a decline in RP as everyone is on the grind, why? Cars are silly prices, can't Rob banks, majority of the police will choose to win rather than have a good RP situation and I will say majority as there's a few cops that enjoy RP over anything else, if you walk around the server it'll be few people on turfs selling drugs, few people fishing, few in the mines, it's all grind, and when grind is the major factor it becomes more of an mmo than an RP server. Things are to expensive and civ jobs pay to little it's very hard to balance.

 
@Regi Smith THIS! 

Whenever I see a person I do not assume they're CID or Undercover however I will always ask for ID, and if they don't have it i'll just ask to go to a store and get ID and bring it back, never like to turn someone away but I do see gangs assuming and doing just that.

Police also are always "right" it's annoying, they came to trash a party, started impounding cars that were parked (without coming inside and saying anything to make us move them) then got mad when we tried to RP the situation out, starting arresting people for being intoxicated, it's just awful RP at this rate.

Thank you for your input on this as well, this cleared it all up!

 
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