Report a player - 159 - Charles Cotton Eye | The Individual whom hit me with the pool cue - GTA RP

[Bobby Stanley]

Server: GTA RP
Your Character Name: Nigel Park
Reported Players: 159 - Charles Cotton Eye | The Individual whom hit me with the pool cue
Date: Dec 15, 2025
Time: 21:29
What best describes this incident: (G2.12) Poor Quality Roleplay | Potentially (G1.2) Random Death Match (RDM) | (G1.7) Community Leaders
Please (in detail) describe the incident: Police were at scene at the occult camp due to a PS Banjo Johnson being kidnapped, I Accidently Killed Myself Shown In Clip On My Shinobi At Occult Camp And Was Taken To Paleto Hospital From This I Got Out Of The Hospital Bed Went To The Back Of The Hospital Got On My Bike And Heard Gunshots, From This I Only Have One Exit Which Is The Gates And Took It To Leave On My Shinobi From This An Individual Hit Me With A Pool Cue And Then Charles Cotton eye And Another Individual Aimed Guns At Me Telling Me To "Get My Fucking Hands Up" Of Which I Complied I Then Got Asked "Is This French" I Replied "Not I'm Not French" And Immediately Got Shot.

I Claim Potential RDM As I Have No Knowledge As To Previous Interaction With Whomever They Might Have Shot BeforeHand

However I Do Believe Poor RP As Telling Someone To Put Theyre Hands Up Asking If Theyre Another Officer Then Shooting Then Is Quite Poor.

From Vik Rambo Officer In Rhinehart
(( I was responding to the CCTV alerts of LOST MC holding up police at Paleto Hospital, as we were arriving, we hit a man off his bike and incapped him. We put the man in our car and were taking him to hospital. We pulled into the hospital and then without any words being said to us by any member of the LOST a shotgun fired into our car multiple times and incapacitated Colm Rowe.

No words or any RP was exchanged to us. We had absolutely no way of knowing a fire fight had started (afaik no one from Police had shot at all). You can see in the entire clip, not a single panic is seen from an officer. There was absolutely no attempt to RP with us. ))
Link(s) To Any Evidence: https://i.gyazo.com/7f24df1c2f2e011e43f69c4dd4de0705.jpg | Individual Hitting Me With The Pool Cue https://i.gyazo.com/17c09797dd727273d0e36dbecd97ab71.jpg | Charles Cotton Eye Aiming Sawn Off Shotgun At Me https://i.gyazo.com/4a9677f97c051371859e2a0906b56d8e.jpg | Individual Aiming Military Rifle Situation | How I Got Injured - https://medal.tv/games/gta-v/clips/lIlCgGQcEkA-Ad-jp?invite=cr-MSxYZlEsNzgxMDQxNTM&v=64 | My POV - https://medal.tv/games/gta-v/clips/lIlObQiMsLxRwQgRK?invite=cr-MSw1TlMsNzgxMDQxNTM&v=0 | VikRambo Pov -

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[C_Date]

For ease. I was the player with the pool cue.

My side. Vik, you’re responding to an active situation and were shot by those people involved. Not Rdm if you ask me.

Guy on the shinobi, I asked you to get off, you didn’t, so I hit you. I could’ve shot you with the machine pistol but you seemed absent to the situation so I chose a lighter option.

Ultimately, a cop has been disrespectful to a lost member days after hospitalising a few at an event, it’s escalated to violence. Cops responded to the violence and got hurt.

The police’s lack of communicative ability, is not our issue.

 

[C_Date]

As this report is against staff, it will be handled by leads.

 

[VikRambo]

For ease. I was the player with the pool cue.

My side. Vik, you’re responding to an active situation and were shot by those people involved. Not Rdm if you ask me.

Guy on the shinobi, I asked you to get off, you didn’t, so I hit you. I could’ve shot you with the machine pistol but you seemed absent to the situation so I chose a lighter option.

Ultimately, a cop has been disrespectful to a lost member days after hospitalising a few at an event, it’s escalated to violence. Cops responded to the violence and got hurt.

The police’s lack of communicative ability, is not our issue.

Hi C Date,

Thanks for your reply and I'm sorry we're in this situation.

For the initial situation, Tobias was killed with little RP (his words not mine), Nigel has gone over to investigate the shots. You claim you asked him to get off and as he failed to comply, you hit him, yet in the video, you are seen swinging as you are stating your demand hence giving no reasonable reaction time to answer your demand. He is then told to put his hands up which is complies with and is asked if he is Ffrench who he says no for which he is executed with nothing further said under the excuse of active situation?

You stated, you could have shot Nigel with a machine pistol yet he seemed absent to the situation meaning you clearly recognised an avenue of further and good RP was open to you yet you still went down the path of active situation = KoS. (Not you personally but and Charles has sealed it for you).

In each situation, no officer is at any point able to communicate anything to anyone. You are observant enough to know that Nigel was absent to the situation and you chose to try and RP further, hence you would have seen that 2 firearms officers have driven into the driveway at Pillbox and are asking questions such as what's going on, and attempting to RP with the Public and even seen a clearly downed baldy in the back of the car. Yet Charles has ran up to the car and point blank without saying a single word opened fire into the car. We posed absolutely no risk to you, we had no weapons in hand and were clearly asking questions to see what was going on. You are in whitelisted faction , which I'd argue is better than the police, and who is held to high standard of RP, this is not this standard at all not to even mention you are both Staff members who regularly judge other players on their standards of RP.

A cop was disrespectful to a local NPC and this was taken as initiation on the entirety of the Lost? Which exact member of the Lost was directly disrespected by Police during this situation?

I will give my honest opinion, C Date you clearly understood what was going on and tried to uphold the standard of RP by trying to RP with Nigel, this point of issue in this situation is Charles Vane. The one who opened fire on us with no RP, the one who asked "are you Ffrench" and then executed Nigel. A staff member has repeatedly refused to go down open paths of good RP and gone with the mentality of active situation = KoS all cops. (I still argue if that even was a 'active situation).

 

[C_Date]

I hadn’t intended on commenting further but you’ve somewhat ruffled my feathers with your approach.

Police are held to the same standard as the lost. Let’s not try and play top trumps with who’s supposed to have higher standards. That includes staff. The amount of times I hear the “staff should know better” line is laughable.

French has hospitalised multiple lost members on Saturday at an event. The only rp leading to that was the words “get back”. 2 days later he’s arrived at our clubhouse referencing lost scumbags. There is rp behind it, just not that you were aware of. Once again I repeat, that is on police not us.

Tobias claiming there was little rp is rubbish as he was having a back and forth over the police radio, relaying messages between Charles and French prior to being shot. Once again, not our fault you weren’t on their radio channel, that’s a police failing.

There is information lacking from the police side which I think needs to be brought to the table before you start throwing rocks out of the cage.

I won’t be communicating further unless required by staff. I would suggest speaking to those present before continuing.

There is a reason the QE was refused.

 

[Tobias Gzeeman]

Tobias claiming there was little rp is rubbish as he was having a back and forth over the police radio, relaying messages between Charles and French prior to being shot. Once again, not our fault you weren’t on their radio channel, that’s a police failing.

Let me give my POV on this statement.


Indeed, that was not the case. There was rp. The problem I have with this situation is that I don’t think the threshold for high-quality RP was met for The Lost to shotgun me in front of the hospital. This came completely out of the blue for me.


I only relayed a couple of messages from you guys to French and from French back to you, and I did not disrespect The Lost in any way during that instance. As far as I was aware, we were just having some fun. If French did indeed incapacitate a couple of your guys last Saturday, that is something between you and French, and I should not be a direct victim of that. You should have taken it up with French in person—something I was actually helping you with by relaying the messages.


When you decided to shotgun me, I was genuinely surprised because I did not expect it to happen at all in that moment, nor did I even have a chance to bring other officers up to speed on the situation. Passing this off as a communication issue from the police is, in my opinion, not correct in this instance. There was simply no way for other units to know that there was an “active” situation going on.

i would have added my POV if i had it, unfortunately medal wasnt started properly. i dont know if challes has it by any change, i think it would clear up my side in this report alot. I dont have anything else to add on this report

 

[VikRambo]

I hadn’t intended on commenting further but you’ve somewhat ruffled my feathers with your approach.

Police are held to the same standard as the lost. Let’s not try and play top trumps with who’s supposed to have higher standards. That includes staff. The amount of times I hear the “staff should know better” line is laughable.

French has hospitalised multiple lost members on Saturday at an event. The only rp leading to that was the words “get back”. 2 days later he’s arrived at our clubhouse referencing lost scumbags. There is rp behind it, just not that you were aware of. Once again I repeat, that is on police not us.

Tobias claiming there was little rp is rubbish as he was having a back and forth over the police radio, relaying messages between Charles and French prior to being shot. Once again, not our fault you weren’t on their radio channel, that’s a police failing.

There is information lacking from the police side which I think needs to be brought to the table before you start throwing rocks out of the cage.

I won’t be communicating further unless required by staff. I would suggest speaking to those present before continuing.

There is a reason the QE was refused.

Hi C Date, thank you for the response.

The Lost being a higher standard of RP is my opinion alone, reason for this is there isn't an application process that any old joe can fill in to join but that is neither here nor there.

I completely disagree with you with your staff comment, staff should absolutely be held to a higher standard, you are the role models of the server who put a lot of effort to get to this status, you are the people who judge what other's standard of RP is hence you should absolutely be to a higher standard because you should know better.

I am not 'throwing rocks out of my cage' I merely representing my views of the situation and addressing statements made by you. I do apologise if my response ruffled your feathers as this was not my intention. I even have complimented you on recognising further avenues of RP and attempting to go down them. My main issue really here is with Charles who cut your RP short in all 3 situations here. First with Tobias where he is shotgunned to his surprise, 2nd with Nigel getting killed for not being Ffrench and Thirdly with walking up to us and shotgunning myself and Colm and we didn't even get a is this Ffrench voice line.

There was no information missing from our side, I was on the radio during this. Hence I am not sure what you believe needs to be brought to the table. We have given you my 5 minutes, which covers from Ffrench talking to the Local to us getting killed, you have the CCTV images from discord that show you holding up officers, you have Nigel POV.
All that was conveyed was that Lost was holding up Tobias (EDIT: I have been told that you weren't even holding him up, just talking to him) and asking from Ffrench. Nothing else was heard from him. There was no demand of bring Ffrench or you're dead, Tobias himself has said he was simply shotgunned to his suprise. Your justification that this was due to a situation involving Ffrench 2 days ago frankly has nothing to do with us. All RP should be a good high standard. If you are not happy with the RP with Ffrench 2 days ago, then you should have followed the correct channels to get that resolved I fail to see how that plays into the situation here, when your main quarrel for this was what Ffrench has said in this situation.

Furthermore, you have not addressed any of the points raised by me in regards to you hitting the officer off whilst making your demand nor have you addressed anything about the level of RP Nigel or myself received. What information was failed to be conveyed to us? Tobias conveyed what you had said, the pulling of the trigger was rushed and he was killed without you forcing him to accurately convey your demands on the radio, you were (assumption by me) present with Tobias you know what he said on the radio and what he didn't say.

P.S I really don't understand this whole no further from me statements in reports in general. Can we not just have a back and forth and discuss each others points like mature adults?

 

[Charles Vane]

Same every time with police.

Im glad the youtube clip shows Ffrench's attitude to that local. I was made aware over radio whilst i was in the clubhouse that he also made comments to us directly following the same attitude as he showed the local. He said something along the lines of lost MC victims or something. So when i heard that, anyone that knows me (including french) would know that i wouldn't stand for that shit.

So, yes ffrench caused this (following on from his shit from saturday), i thought i would try and RP it with the officer in the car but also creating a bit of a story for MY retaliation (whether you like it or not). Now anything after me shooting that first guy in the car is fair game. You can always look back at a scenario and look how it could be improved. However the only person who could claim RDM in this whole report would be the first chap who i shot and he does not have that on video.

The youtube video shows you leaving, switching freq and then checking the cameras to see us holding police up. Your collegue also says "that will be for what ffrench said". So yes, its pretty obvious were not just going to stand for that attitude against us. Now you turning up and being shot is hardly a surprise once i had already shot an officer and the guy who came out the hospital i wanted to see if it was french because i would have kidnapped him. But a random bike cop im not just going to leave everything else behind to take an officer hostage for your entertainment when it was not you that we were after. Being shot was a little bit of a un-necessary response so quickly but we all know how fast police assemble and knowing that a load of firearms had just left i was a bit on edge i suppose. But i wouldn't say its RDM as id already just shot as police and clearly caught on hospital cams and i imagine gunshot dispatches.

Ultimately, police had a shit attitude used no common sense or communication and paid the price for it. Then 5 mins later we paid the price with a blackhawk. Its just how it goes.

 

[Bobby Stanley]

Hello Charles Vane,

i thought i would try and RP it with the officer in the car but also creating a bit of a story for MY retaliation (whether you like it or not).

You State "Creating a bit of a story for MY retaliation ( Whether you like it or not ) I would argue here you chose gunplay over roleplay failing to create further RP and showing that you only care about what you want and not what the other party may receive.

Ultimately, police had a shit attitude used no common sense or communication and paid the price for it.

My issue is that not every person who plays police knows what is happening 24/7 regarding conflicts and issues, and most just simply log on and off.

You claim that its the fault of the police for { French } not communicating his RP with the Lost & Yourself



Following onto this the character you play Charles Cottoneye the President of the Lost MC a big faction within roleplay.co.uk, most would say that you are a huge figure within the community some may say a community leader and yet you still failed to provide anything within the entire situation towards myself but shot in the face after a single question.

 

[VikRambo]

Same every time with police.

Hi Charles, thank you for your reply.

It very disheartening to see a staff member high up such as yourself hold this sort of attitude towards a faction on the server.

Im glad the youtube clip shows Ffrench's attitude to that local. I was made aware over radio whilst i was in the clubhouse that he also made comments to us directly following the same attitude as he showed the local. He said something along the lines of lost MC victims or something. So when i heard that, anyone that knows me (including french) would know that i wouldn't stand for that shit.

Can you or a MC member show the clip of Ffrench being rude to you directly? You were extremely offended by some comments that you didn't even hear directly and were told by on the radio? And you can't even recall exactly what was said?

also creating a bit of a story for MY retaliation (whether you like it or not).

Poor quality RP is not a character arc (whether you like it or not).
Apologies but I'm giving you the same attitude you're giving us.

anything after me shooting that first guy in the car is fair game. You can always look back at a scenario and look how it could be improved. However the only person who could claim RDM in this whole report would be the first chap who i shot and he does not have that on video.

If C Date can realise there was further avenues of RP after you executed the first cop then why couldn't you? Why did you not care to try and take a hostage and actually ask for the person you were looking for? Because you put gunplay first.

Now you turning up and being shot is hardly a surprise once i had already shot an officer and the guy who came out the hospital i wanted to see if it was french because i would have kidnapped him. But a random bike cop im not just going to leave everything else behind to take an officer hostage for your entertainment when it was not you that we were after. Being shot was a little bit of a un-necessary response so quickly but we all know how fast police assemble and knowing that a load of firearms had just left i was a bit on edge i suppose. But i wouldn't say its RDM as id already just shot as police and clearly caught on hospital cams and i imagine gunshot dispatches.

Then when we came up, there was no sign of a fire fight, in my clip we're even stopped around the corner from the hospital dealing with a person for a minute or so and still not shots are heard. There was absolutely no way for us to know there was a fire fight. The Cctv is attached on the report, it shows u holding up an officer. You have already watched my 5 minutes clip, not a single gunshot dispatch was seen. You brought up my colleague saying oh that'll be for Ffrench (it was actually me saying it) but what about the part where we are entering Paleto talking about negotiations and looking to RP? There's not a single dispatch of a gunshot nor any audible shooting heard. Even the other members of the public at Pillbox were asking wtf u were doing.

Since when do we start shooting up entire factions in public areas based on assumptions and 'common sense' as opposed to RP?

random bike cop im not just going to leave everything else behind to take an officer hostage for your entertainment when it was not you that we were after. Being shot was a little bit of a un-necessary response so quickly but we all know how fast police assemble and knowing that a load of firearms had just left i was a bit on edge i suppose.

Give it a break mate. For your entertainment? It's an RP server we are all here for entertainment. Rather than create RP for an entire faction by taking a hostage and demanding Ffrench, you shot Nigel because he wasn't ffrench. Your actions serve no purpose other than just for the sake of killing police. You were offended by Ffrenchs comments yet your actions don't try very hard to get the person you want. You interrogate Gabbana for a bit and execute him. You ask Nigel if he's ffrench and execute him. 2 whole minutes later we turn up, You don't even bother asking us anything and run up and open fire, killing Colm. Not even the other Lost MC members shot us when we rocked up, only you. You just wanted gunplay using the excuse of active situation. Even the other people at the hospital were as confused by your actions as we were.

Being on edge does not excuse poor RP. How fast we assimilate? You saw 2 firearms pull up to the hospital driveway (not in any tactical positioning) with an injured baldy in the back and asking questions of what's going on. You saw this as a massive threat and opened fire?

 

[Gordon]

Good Evening,

My apologies to all parties for the delay. As ever, reports which involve members of staff are held to higher levels of scrutiny and are often discussed between leads & management before providing an outcome. In this instance, other senior staff (who were not implicated in this report) have also assisted in deciding an outcome for this report. The outcome below has been based on the video evidence provided, alongside any logs available to me.

Reporting Party Perspective: (HERE)
This alone doesn't appear initially to show much which would assist us here. The first 2 minutes shows Nigel being taken to Paleto hospital by police firearms officers, Nigel checks himself in at 02:15 into this video. At 03:24 he gets up having been fully revived and walks to the reception desk, collecting his clothing and possessions at 03:24. Nigel runs outside and gets on the Police Shinobi at 04:08 and enables his body camera once again. At 04:15, gunshots are heard. No voices heard by the reporting party at this time. Nigel drives out of the gate at 04:28 and shouts "Hello" to the person walking towards him with a pool cue drawn (We know this to be @C_Date). Its clear that something is said initially which I'm not able to make out from the video, C_Date moves closer and shouts "Get off the bike" whilst swinging the pool cue, knocking Nigel off of his bike at 04:33, Nigel screams.

Another person walks up to Nigel (We know this to be @Charles Vane). At 04:35, they shout "Get your fucking hands up you cunt". Nigel complies and roleplays his confusion well. Charles Vane asks "Is that Ffrench" (Assumably referring to another officer). Nigel replies at 04:40 "No it's not Ffrench" and is promptly shot by Charles Vane with a shotgun, downing him. C_Date drives off on the Police Shinobi and Charles Vane along with the others present appear to leave the area.

I can conclude from the logs, that the shots heard at 04:15 in that video were of Charles Vane shooting Tobias Gzeeman who was shot and killed on the patch of grass at the front of the hospital. I cannot comment on the RP provided which led to this, as it is not shown. As per the replies, it is clear that there had been some prior tensions between the police and LMC due to a prior altercation. This isn't an issue, I can only hope that the RP provided to Tobias was of a high quality regardless. To be clear, prior "beef" at an incident a number of days prior with the police would not be sufficient to open fire on them on sight.

Jin Yarikawa Perspective: (HERE)
Of note, in the first 6 seconds of this clip, Ffrench is seen to approach a LostMC local and taunts them, calling them a "scumbag", "punk" and a "bitch". It is unclear if any non-police players were able to hear this. Jin & Colm Rowe drive off to fill up fuel and to attend another incident. At 02:16 the dispatch comes through, this would coincide with the actions shown at 04:28 of Nigel's video, followed by a further dispatch that a Sawed-Off shotgun had been seen at Paleto, which again would coincide with Nigel's video at 04:35. Jin & Colm turn around and begin to head back towards Paleto hospital after Jin realises "They are hands'ing the police". Upon arrival, Colm is shot by Charles Vane.

I would suggest that given the circumstances, it could be considered that a firefight was in progress. Which would negate any requirement to provide additional roleplay as per the RDM rule. However, given the clear advantage held by Charles and the other LostMC present, I do believe that further opportunities to attempt roleplay with Nigel would have delivered a more agreeable and satisfying outcome to all involved. Charles, your roleplay was poor here. You open up lines for roleplay by asking "Is that Ffrench?" before shooting Nigel, ruining this. You had every opportunity to further this roleplay by considering taking Nigel hostage, or at least perhaps performing this as a staged execution. I expect that as a someone considered as a Community Leader (as per G1.7) at the time of the report, that you would set a better precedent. You will receive a ban for G2.12. C_Date, it seems like you had made an attempt to engage with Nigel prior to hitting him with a pool cue, but you were whispering. Remember that the requirement to be heard is the responsibility of the aggressor. You did not kill or otherwise engage with Nigel after hitting him off of his bike, so I cannot comment on your motivation, but please ensure due care in the future that you can be heard.

As a general outcome, I ask that you all seek to provide roleplay whenever it is possible, not only when the rules require it of you. Take this as a learning point all around. I will however take the time to add that I don't like to see idle digs in this area of the forums. "Same every time with police" is an incredibly sweeping statement. I suggest that if there are issues with the police every time, that you should report this, or liaise with police command in the channels available to you, Charles. Equally, "You just wanted gunplay", you don't know what Charles wants, you can only assume based on this interaction and those which you may have had previously, in this context, it is being said as a dig, which is not appropriate, Vik.

Outcome (Accepted):
Ban Issued - Charles Vane - G2.12
Warning - C_Date - G2.12