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Report a player - Black Tyrant - Cutlass | IDs Unknown - GTA RP

AlboReli

AlboReli

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Server: GTA RP
Your Character Name: Alan Mckenzie
Reported Players: Black Tyrant - Cutlass | IDs Unknown
Date: May 6, 2024
Time: 16:15
What best describes this incident: Exploiting / Abusing 3rd Person Shooting
Please (in detail) describe the incident: As outlined in other reports, Aztecas went looking for Ballas as were shot at by Cutlass, leading to an all out gun fight.

It was during this fight that me and other members of aztecas were shot by a Tyrant. The Cutlass members seem to have shot out of the car backwards

Screenshots of bullet trail - https://gyazo.com/7803afe73e6dbb9df63d81a4597778b3.
https://gyazo.com/0a2d501122597032e76bb023b28da0b0

Clips - https://medal.tv/games/gta-v/clips/2bAwfPVQnhr_uF/d1337ROd0Dy3?invite=cr-MSw2RTcsNDU0NzU1MCw
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At the time I asked in ooc chat multiple times for the Cutlass members in the black Tyrant to come to QE so that we could sort the issue out but no one came. I unfortuantely don't have a screenshot of my ooc messages but I'm sure logs can see them. I chose to try and liaise to give the members inside the car the opportunity to clip their side in case there was no need for it to end up in a report but I was ignored.

Aztecas have also been told multiple times by staff and TBJ about the importance of ensuring that clipping softwares are running and Cutlass also pushed for this narrative (Shown by the report on Reece Dunn). Therefore, we would like to see the POVs of both the players in the Tyrant. I'm certain that they got kills during the fight so there is nothing to suggest that they wouldn't have clips of it or have no reason to clip it. If they do have clips and it's clean then fair enough but if they don't have clips then I'd assume that there has been foul play involved as from our perspective you can see the cars shooting on angles that aren't possible with first person shooting from a bullet proof car.

Jack also asked in Group Leads to find out who the driver and passenger of the Tyrant was but he has also been ignored (at the time of this report being posted).
Link(s) To Any Evidence: Clips And Screenshots Above
 
AlboReli said:
Server: GTA RP
Your Character Name: Alan Mckenzie
Reported Players: Black Tyrant - Cutlass | IDs Unknown
Date: May 6, 2024
Time: 16:15
What best describes this incident: Exploiting / Abusing 3rd Person Shooting
Please (in detail) describe the incident: As outlined in other reports, Aztecas went looking for Ballas as were shot at by Cutlass, leading to an all out gun fight.

It was during this fight that me and other members of aztecas were shot by a Tyrant. The Cutlass members seem to have shot out of the car backwards

Screenshots of bullet trail - https://gyazo.com/7803afe73e6dbb9df63d81a4597778b3.
https://gyazo.com/0a2d501122597032e76bb023b28da0b0

Clips - https://medal.tv/games/gta-v/clips/2bAwfPVQnhr_uF/d1337ROd0Dy3?invite=cr-MSw2RTcsNDU0NzU1MCw
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At the time I asked in ooc chat multiple times for the Cutlass members in the black Tyrant to come to QE so that we could sort the issue out but no one came. I unfortuantely don't have a screenshot of my ooc messages but I'm sure logs can see them. I chose to try and liaise to give the members inside the car the opportunity to clip their side in case there was no need for it to end up in a report but I was ignored.

Aztecas have also been told multiple times by staff and TBJ about the importance of ensuring that clipping softwares are running and Cutlass also pushed for this narrative (Shown by the report on Reece Dunn). Therefore, we would like to see the POVs of both the players in the Tyrant. I'm certain that they got kills during the fight so there is nothing to suggest that they wouldn't have clips of it or have no reason to clip it. If they do have clips and it's clean then fair enough but if they don't have clips then I'd assume that there has been foul play involved as from our perspective you can see the cars shooting on angles that aren't possible with first person shooting from a bullet proof car.

Jack also asked in Group Leads to find out who the driver and passenger of the Tyrant was but he has also been ignored (at the time of this report being posted).
Link(s) To Any Evidence: Clips And Screenshots Above
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Here is another screenshot proving that the shot came from the tyrant and connected with an azteca vehicle that was completely behind them.

https://gyazo.com/4d23baba96ea48ac0111714eb7aae16e
 
@Paul McLovin hello there!

Seems this is your vehicle. Can you provide a POV and let me know who your passenger was at the time?
 
I was the driver of the tyrant, unfortunately i do not have a clip as my OBS crashed, And about the liaison i didn't have ooc chat on at the time, also my passenger is going to put a reply in.
 
Hello there @ImCloudNine and @Paul McLovin , I hope you are well.

Now, you can see the footage above yourself - what´s going on here?
 
i was driving the vehicle this is me trying to evade multiple Aztecas during a mass gun fight
 
I can see that. I would like to know who fired the shot backwards and, most importantly, how?
 
There was a lot going on at that moment with the high speed chase, multiple collisions and gun shots going off to my knowledge there wasn't any backwards shooting
 
Right, I won´t be beating around the bush here guys. You can see what´s happened in the footage and the screenshot and you know what I am getting at.

I would like to see some footage from whomever the shooter was and an explanation on how you did what you did.
 
I was popping shots but made no attempt to exploit. There was a lot of shooting happening around us and a lot of desync. The reason I didn’t see the OOC message is because I had it turned off.
 
@ImCloudNine @Paul McLovin

Alright, let´s wrap this up. First off, was it just you who was shooting at the time or Paul as well?

Secondly, this has zero to do with desync and it is a well known exploit amongst gang members, which makes it very hard to believe it was unintentional. And even if it was, common sense would dictate to stop shooting, as everyone should be aware by now that shooting out of a vehicle is supposed to be in first person, which makes it impossible to shoot in a 180° angle.

Without either of you providing footage to somehow proof otherwise, this is clear cut exploiting.
 
https://streamable.com/38odt2 As you can see from this POV this is the desync that occurred and I can assure you mine was a lot worse. I was the one taking pop shots and Paul was driving. I hope this video can give you an idea of how chaotic everything was. I'm not here to exploit and have no interest in this.
 
Good evening :)

This clip isn't a POV of your vehicle, so I don't believe this offers much in your defence other than making you look worse. I do appreciate you providing a clip of the situation though to help us prove what we already knew. As you can see in the clip, the passenger of the vehicle is clearly aiming his gun backwards. This wouldn't be possible without the use of third-person shooting from a vehicle.

Screenshot 1 (Gun aiming directly backwards) - https://gyazo.com/4d6e87388196feb22d212a0de6bee0d6
Screenshot 2 (Gun is basically upside down) - https://gyazo.com/0ee74cc83fec9c56145adc5368a57687
Screenshot 3 (Gun aiming backwards again) - https://gyazo.com/865c33070540b59a40657f54cad399e1
 
Unfortunately, without a clip from your POV @ImCloudNine , it does indeed look like you were exploiting. I have had a discussion with our devs and desync simply does not explain the above, so I will give you one last chance to provide a video, otherwise I will go ahead with this report using the evidence I have available.
 
Hello @Sammy I wish I had a clip of this scenario as I know the severity of this rule but I do not because driving round the city and recording is impossible because of the pc I have. During this situation I was on 10-20 frames by the bank and the car was skipping along the road. I can assure you that I definitely did not do this third person exploit you are talking about because every time I pull my gun out in the car it forces me in to first person. I have these screenshots of how far back you can aim your gun in first person and what it looks like from outside the car. https://gyazo.com/c1997e880cf7e5648d8b35ccd2f4c0c6 https://gyazo.com/82473ad4ccd60ff3bef92db4784b1ea4
 
Very well, let´s get this wrapped up.

Quite frankly, I have spent a lot of time looking into this report with multiple staff and dev members to replicate and prove/disprove any possible wrongdoing here and we have taken all the evidence provided apart bit by bit multiple times.

The only thing we can tell for sure is that there is no way to make a judgement on this report at all and here is why:

While we can hear a bullet shot and also the noise of an impact behind you in the video, there is no moving trail and no way to tell where that bullet actually came from or where it hit. From the screenshot from a different POV showing a bullet trail, we are left without depth perception entirely and it is impossible to tell when exactly that bullet was fired compared to when everyone else in the area sees it. Unfortunately this is not an exact science and especially in a high speed car chase, milliseconds can make a major difference in perception.

Was this bullet fired as the tyrant was being rammed, tilted and slightly tipped to the side or when all 4 wheels made contact with the road again and the car was straightened out again? Nobody can tell for sure and the footage leaves much to desire in terms of resolution ect.

Now when it comes to the angle and extension of the wrist from the outside view onto the shooter, we have extensively tested this out (thanks devs) and while we can see a considerable difference between first and third person, everything provided here is either consistent or at least extremely close to what it would look like in a first person scenario and while that is not proof of fair play, it also doesn´t prove otherwise.

So the verdict is as follows - No ban will be handed out today, however, I would like to remind you all of a couple things:

@Paul McLovin I do not appreciate playing cat and mouse on reports and having to dig for answers when you and I both know what I am asking, is a waste of both our time. Let´s not do this again.

@AlboReli Due to the graphic settings from the POV in the evidence being low, either due to low-end PC specs or for the purpose of "maximizing FPS in gunfights", it makes it so much harder to determine what is actually going on in the situation, which in turn leaves us with enough reasonable doubt to not feel comfortable banning on the back of it.

@ImCloudNine While I can not tell for sure whether you are in fact exploiting or not, I want to make sure that you understand that this does not absolve you but that you are merely given the benefit of the doubt due to the evidence leaving too much room for speculation. I highly recommend that you start saving footage from incidents like this, as one day things may look bad enough from someone else´s POV that the only saving grace for you will be to prove otherwise. This will be noted on your record and the benefit of the doubt is only given so often, keep that in mind!

With all the above being said, this report will be DECLINED.
 
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