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Report a Player - SGT Alfred,PCSO Ghaleb - Fail RP (Rejected)

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Smithyyy

Banned
Location
Durham
Your In-game name

Smithy

Name of the player(s) you are reporting

SGT Alfred,PCSO Ghaleb

Date of the incident

29/12/17

Time of the incident (GMT)

444

What best describes this incident ?

Fail RP

Which server did the incident take place on

Server 2

Please (in detail) describe the incident

My friend,Adam.bz, was speaking to police officers while he had an illegal rifle on his back so he called in for backup. I would also like to add that before that the 2 officers took advantage of Adam being desync rammed to stop him or do what ever but i dont not have evidence for this. When i got their i sat in my car for a little bit until 2 random rebels come up and initiate on the cops in the area helping Adam out. Straight away me and another gang member announce we are not involved then i pull my gun just for safety. We see cops pull out,which was slightly mysterious and doggy, so i go up to them and say "leave,leave" and one of the random rebels tell the cops in the car "leave or die" so they drive off. At this point i would also like to add we were not involved with this rebels so they had no right to rubber us. A few seconds later one of my gang mates gets rubbed so i go in cover and get rubbed. The officers come up to us and restrain us. We speak to the 2 offices trying to understand why this happened however not really getting anywhere. After a little,When we are restrained we are barely talked to by the police, the police put us in the cop car and drives us to PD. SGT Alfred starts to get aggressive to us and tells an unknown person to "shut up" ,multiple times, as well as telling people to fuck off. While we were in PD we went in liaison to try and resolve the situation however Afred felt like his did nothing wrong even though he said nothing and a random person said leave or die,which isn't valid initiation. He also took no responsibility to rdmed us and not initiating at all. They continued to take our weapons off us. Overall Alfred acted very unprofessional. He could of just complied with us because theoretically we had 1 hostage and they never valued his life. However, all we wanted to do is talk to him.

Link to any evidence (Youtube/Screenshot)

https://plays.tv/video/5a467aa8ae69c88d5f/wow
This report is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!

Yes

You tried to resolve the situation with the player(s) before reporting

Yes

This is not a revenge report (Abuse will lead to forum/community bans)

Yes

 
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I would also like to add that before that the 2 officers took advantage of Adam being desync rammed to stop him or do what ever but i dont not have evidence for this.
Alright so I'll be the first one to comment on this I guess, first off, If u don't have any evidence of what u are saying dont say it. Its unnecessary and wont help you in any way.

When i got their i sat in my car for a little bit until 2 random rebels come up and initiate on the cops in the area helping Adam out. Straight away me and another gang member announce we are not involved then i pull my gun just for safety.
 You claim that you were not involved yet you later on in your text say that you told us to leave. Alright so as a police officer, I see like 5 of you armed rebels with their guns out, screaming leave leave and fuck off or die, while you have 2 cops hostages so what does that tell me? That you are in fact involved in that Situation. So there is my first point, my second point is, Why did u not leave if you knew what was going on? Why did you not holster your weapon, Why did you not put your hands up so that we could know that you weren't involved as you claim in your text. You could have avoided this in so many ways yet you choose to stay where you are. 

Overall Alfred acted very unprofessional. He could of just complied with us because theoretically we had 1 hostage and they never valued his life. However, all we wanted to do is talk to him.
You had 2 hostages because I dont recall the PCSO being unrestrained. However let me ask you this, how did we not value our hostages life? We tried to stop and talk to you about what was going on, but the first thing we hear is fk off or die, what does that tell us? Two things, which is that you dont want to negotiate the hostages and that we need to help our colleges. Which we did and in a very professional way I'd say, we didnt use lethal ammo, we used rubbers so that you wont get killed, our hostages were saved, we got you restratined and taken to kavala PD as well. All that without using any deadly force. 

I would also like to add that I dont know why you are posting this report because we already resolved it with a staff member who listened to what you had to say and told you that it wasnt our fault that you were rubbered.

 
Hello,

I'm sorry you feel mistreated here.

Let explain myself, 
PCSO Ghaleb and myself had been enjoyed some RP in the airport doing some passport control. I then needed to grade his driving ability so i told him to drive to Kavala and on the way i started to give him feed back.  When we arrive near the Kavala crane we receive a message from PC Ridge (located to the Rear of the House by kavala Garage) letting my call sign know that there is a hostage situation directly in front of us with multiple armed rebels.

We decide to drive slowly up to the situation and as we arrive we see that 2 officers have there hands up and we get initiated on by a group of rebels with long barreled weapons.   I personal took this as a strange initiation as normally it would be on my tyres and not straight to my life. It was at this point i made the call that they did not want to RP as they had just gone straight to threatening my life. I made the call to only use rubbers as i wanted to discuss this whole situation with the culprits that had started this whole mess.  I move around the building to Kavala bridge and saw the Police officer are now in restraints. This then confirms my decision that situation needs to be ended in the safest way to mine and the other officers lives.  

The things i had to take in to consideration were.

My life
My patrols Partners life
The lives of the Hostages
The lives of the Crimals
The Soon to be high speed chase with Rebels and police hostages.
etc etc

With all this in mind i made the call to end the situation in the safest way possible. That way was to use Rubbers in a two prong attack effectively neutralizing the enemy threat within seconds.

This is the reasons why I, the patrol commander made the decision the us force to end a situation. 
I will happily explain anything more with the Staff member who deals with this.

On a side note i'm interested in a few points.

Why you would say you are not involved when you clearly see in your own video that you restrain and start to rob the Police removing only weapons from them?

Why would you say to PCSO Zubba that you removed his radio, when in your own video you can clearly see it still in his inventory?

Why was PCSO Ghaleb knocked out by an individual whilst he had his weapon drawn and without any type of vocal exchange happening between the two people. To top it off he also had nothing in his hands at the time of striking the PCSO?

Why was PCSO Zubba an unarmed restrained police officer shoot in the head by Lewis?

Also in the last part of the video was there a man in a Ghillie suit restrained (same individual who knocked out PCSO Ghaleb) disconnect and make no effort to return to the situation? In doing so makes it look like he combat logs?

After watching Your video, I can see that the other rebels who started the Police hostage situation had ran off before the Police start losing gear. After seeing this im confused as to why you did not do the same thing as you felt You were not involved?

If you could kindly answer these few question that would be great.

On a final note. Why should i take my time out of my day to come to liaison and talk to your gang about what happened. Feeling as if it was resolved. As members of your gang where going to get compensation from the other rebels who had dragged you into this situation.  Then only to return after having my dinner to see a report put up against me.
I feel like you are reporting me because you are more annoyed with the fact that i spoke to you in a strongly worded manner whilst on the server and on TS in liaison. I also remember you had very little to say to me and left it to Adam.BZ to deal with whilst in liaison.

Kind Regards

Alfred

 
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Alright so I'll be the first one to comment on this I guess, first off, If u don't have any evidence of what u are saying dont say it. Its unnecessary and wont help you in any way.
I added this because this is the whole reason this situation happened and all we were trying to do is to talk to the cops to sort what was happening out.

 You claim that you were not involved yet you later on in your text say that you told us to leave. Alright so as a police officer, I see like 5 of you armed rebels with their guns out, screaming leave leave and fuck off or die, while you have 2 cops hostages so what does that tell me? That you are in fact involved in that Situation. So there is my first point, my second point is, Why did u not leave if you knew what was going on? Why did you not holster your weapon, Why did you not put your hands up so that we could know that you weren't involved as you claim in your text. You could have avoided this in so many ways yet you choose to stay where you are. 
You are incorrect, i personally said leave leave,not being hostile, and the random rebel said fuck off or die. 2 cop hostages? Their was a pcso,which you can not take hostage, and a pc who we zip tied so we could only speak to them about the situation where they abused the fact that adam.bz was de synced rammed. As well as that while we were in liaison Adam said that we zip tied them only so we could speak. Why did we not leave? As i just said we wanted to speak to the officers. I didn't holster as they were random rebels at the locations who could initiate at any time and i would be at a disadvantage. You dont not understand the situation we were in, all we were trying to do is role play but we were rubbed without anyone saying it.

You had 2 hostages because I dont recall the PCSO being unrestrained. However let me ask you this, how did we not value our hostages life? We tried to stop and talk to you about what was going on, but the first thing we hear is fk off or die, what does that tell us? Two things, which is that you dont want to negotiate the hostages and that we need to help our colleges. Which we did and in a very professional way I'd say, we didnt use lethal ammo, we used rubbers so that you wont get killed, our hostages were saved, we got you restratined and taken to kavala PD as well. All that without using any deadly force. 
YOU DROVE AWAY,WITH VERY LITTLE INITIATION, AND RUBBED US ALL. While we had a cop hostage. I personally didn't want more cops on scenes and i knew something was going to go wrong so i said "leave,leave". I really dont know why the other guys said what they did and that is defo not valid initiation. Adding more cops to the science would of added more confusion. We were busy trying to sort them out / talk to them at the time and we didn't want to talk to any other cops. Ok so your rubbed us could you please explain to me the initiation that gave you the right to and im going to be confused if you going to say "fuck of or die" is the imitation.

I would also like to add that I dont know why you are posting this report because we already resolved it with a staff member who listened to what you had to say and told you that it wasnt our fault that you were rubbered.
It was resolved and the admin said "if you dont feel like this is right put up a report",he said something like that. Moreover, the staff member was directly involved in the situation therefore a biased opinion would of been given and i would prefer if a non cop admin delt with this situation. It was your fault for rubbering because you guys were the ones who shot the rubbers and we should of gotten some kind of valid imitation.

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When we arrive near the Kavala crane we receive a message from PC Ridge (located to the Rear of the House by kavala Garage) letting my call sign know that there is a hostage situation directly in front of us with multiple armed rebels.
He was in restrains / had his hands up for most of the time so im slightly interested in how he managed to message someone. I asked him as well "how did they know that something was going on" as i knew they knew just found us as that is a quite weird route to take.

We decide to drive slowly up to the situation and as we arrive we see that 2 officers have there hands up and we get initiated on by a group of rebels with long barreled weapons.   I personal took this as a strange initiation as normally it would be on my tyres and not straight to my life. It was at this point i made the call that they did not want to RP as they had just gone straight to threatening my life. I made the call to only use rubbers as i wanted to discuss this whole situation with the culprits that had started this whole mess.  I move around the building to Kavala bridge and saw the Police officer are now in restraints. This then confirms my decision that situation needs to be ended in the safest way to mine and the other officers lives.  
I really dont understand why you rubbered us with the initation "leave or die" you can not do that and its embarrassing that you would think about rubbering us at this time. Im guessing the other rebels didn't want you at the scene at the time,as it would just make it confusing and make it so Adam is unable to talk to the original officers, so they said what they did and i highly

doubt they meant it as initiation. Confirms your decision that under next to no initiation you can rubber us. Well k.

Why you would say you are not involved when you clearly see in your own video that you restrain and start to rob the Police removing only weapons from them?
Yes originally i said i wasn't involved however i changed my mind and wanted to be involved.

Why would you say to PCSO Zubba that you removed his radio, when in your own video you can clearly see it still in his inventory?
I though i did.

Why was PCSO Ghaleb knocked out by an individual whilst he had his weapon drawn and without any type of vocal exchange happening between the two people. To top it off he also had nothing in his hands at the time of striking the PCSO?
It does not matter if you have your weapon drawn or not while you are knocked out. What does matter if your pointing it at the person and he knocks you out,which he never. Vocal exchange? You rubbeded us all and gang mates where in the area. I dont really know why we went to knock him out. I`ll have to re watch the vid and work out if he did have a gun out or not at the time. I dont have a memory of him having a large kaliber gun and knocking out with that.

Why was PCSO Zubba an unarmed restrained police officer shoot in the head by Lewis?
I dont not know my self.

Also in the last part of the video was there a man in a Ghillie suit restrained (same individual who knocked out PCSO Ghaleb) disconnect and make no effort to return to the situation? In doing so makes it look like he combat logs?
I head the PCSO making a comment saying that he couldn't pull the guy out of the car so im guessing to try and fix that. I had my radio muted throughout the situation so i do not know why he did this.

After watching Your video, I can see that the other rebels who started the Police hostage situation had ran off before the Police start losing gear. After seeing this im confused as to why you did not do the same thing as you felt You were not involved?
This is like the 50th time i`ve said this but we never left because Adam wanted to speak to the officers about something else. This was also mentioned in the liaison. 

On a final note. Why should i take my time out of my day to come to liaison and talk to your gang about what happened. Feeling as if it was resolved. As members of your gang where going to get compensation from the other rebels who had dragged you into this situation.  Then only to return after having my dinner to see a report put up against me.
Why would i take my time to reply to this report when you have clearly broke server rules and as you said if you dont feel like it is resolved put up a report a player. We never knew who the other rebels where and were unable to get in contact with them. Either-way we should be getting comp of cops as they took the guns of us. 

I feel like you are reporting me because you are more annoyed with the fact that i spoke to you in a strongly worded manner whilst on the server and on TS in liaison. I also remember you had very little to say to me and left it to Adam.BZ to deal with whilst in liaison.
I`m annoyed over the low quality and unprofessional role play their. You rubbed us with the initiation "fuck of or die",which wasn't even from a gang, and we were sitting in handcuffs getting no role play and sat their doing nothing expect form talking to the other officers. Which we were trying to figure out why we were rubbers. While in the PD we were sat their doing nothing and not being spoke to. Adam is the gang leader and msged me to let him try and resolve the situation. If i did say anything i would of just repeated what Adam said.

At the end of the day you rubbed us with the initiation "fuck of or die" which doesn't give you the right to rubber us. You got very aggressive and unprofessional with us at the PD telling gang members to "shut-up" and "fuck off". You also refused to give us comp and not taking responsibility that you rubbed us their.

- Smithy

 
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I’ll give you our perspective as police officers. We see around 5 armed rebels and 2 police officers with their hands up. Now the rebels are not pointing guns at each other so me who do not now you and who’ve just arrived to the scene explain the situation like this, ‘’ohh..they are all together on this’’ at the same time as we see you we get a radio call saying ‘’there are multiple armed rebels at kaval bridge with 2 police officers taken hostage’’ it is then confirmed for us that it is a hostage situation.

Alright so now me and SGT Alfred know that it is a hostage situation. We then proceed to drive close to you with a very low speed to show you that we want to stop and talk with you and we didn't even get to do that because the first thing we heard was ‘’fk off or die’’ so there is the problem, we weren't allowed to negotiate the hostages, you did not want us to roleplay with you, you went straight on to threaten our lives and with you with them saying leave leave confirms to us that you are in fact with them, there is no way in hell that I would know that you are not with them after that, no way whatsoever.

Alright now let’s see if what you said matches up with your actions on the live server:

You say that you weren't involved 

’When i got their i sat in my car for a little bit until 2 random rebels come up and initiate on the cops in the area helping Adam out. Straight away me and another gang member announce we are not involved then i pull my gun just for safety.


And then later on in your second comment say this

‘’You are incorrect, i personally said leave leave’’
 Im gonna ask the same question again and hopefully we can get the correct answer from you, because right now your beating around the bushes. Where you involved or not? If not why did you not holster your weapon? Why did you tells us to leave?

And please don't tell me

‘’me and another gang member announce we are not involved then i pull my gun just for safety.’’
when you clearly in your OWN VIDEO show that you told the PCSO to put his hands above his, not only that, you also continue with taking his GPS, ‘’radio’’ (which you did not take) and his MK20c. Seeing that part of the video doesn’t really show me or any other person reading this report how concerned you were about your own safety when It was also YOU who restrained the PCSO. It shows us that you are the one who is in ‘’control’’ of the situation.  

Funny thing, right after you say we are not involved you take out your gun and say

‘’If you try anything you know what will happen’’
You can find that in your own video (00:40-1:05)

After seeing the video again I would like to correct something here, when me and SGT Alfred arrived to the scene you claim that you said leave leave, with a not hostile tone. Watch your own video from (1:14-1:20) showing you screaming, ‘’yo back off man, keep on driving keep on driving'' while pointing a gun at us. Not hostile you said? Logic? Hello?

So now I’d like to ask you this. Do you still stand for what you said here:

At this point i would also like to add we were not involved with this rebels so they had no right to rubber us.


Do you see where this is going? This report you made is rubbish, its making you look bad in front of everyone.

You also claim that we didn't give you roleplay when you got restrained

‘’After a little,When we are restrained we are barely talked to by the police’’
which is again another lie from you, before I started to talk with you, SGT alfred talked to you as well, showing in your own video, watch from (02:27-02:58) but then we had a police officer say, there is one more guy and that's when Alfred left, when he did, we still had an officer with you talking, this is also shown in your own video. A couple of seconds later you see me come back again when I see that SGT Alfred got control of the situation with the other rebel who was hiding in the building. So I started talking with you, but everytime I wanted to say something you interrupted me and didn't let me speak, so I thought for myself, let them cool down and I’ll let SGT Alfred talk with them later when the situation is over.

Anyway before I left the place a rebel came up to me and knocked me out, no gun out and not a single word from his mouth came out before he did it. When he did that, we see just a second after an UNARMED and RESTRAINED PCSO getting killed by one of you lot.. the guy who killed the PCSO is L3WIS I believe, you can see that in the killfeed bottom left.

I would like to know why the guy who knocked me out combat logged when he was restrained?

I would also like to know why the video is clipped at 12:30 and at 14:30?

you can see his name in this video (the guy who knocked me out): http://plays.tv/video/5a4923953b4b034f19/name-of-the-guy-knocked-me-out

In case one of you admins ask me, how do u know its the same guy u restrained, here is me restraining him showing the same name as the guy who knocked me out. http://plays.tv/video/5a49265b3c2a9a8d1f/same-guy

So we drive to kavala PD so we could sort things out without us having to worry about more rebels hiding somewhere, we tried to talk with you there, we had all the officers over there, the restrained one and the rescuers including SGT Alfred, each time he wanted to say something you again did the same thing as you did to me, you kept on interrupting him over and over again, that's when he go frustrated, you claim it was unprofessional but if you see it from a roleplay and in real life perspektive it was 100% normal reaktion, 3 of you speaking at the same time as him, what do you think he is supposed to do to make you calm down? Give you an energy drink or baked beans? Not even a Canadian police officer would have been talking to you with a nice tone at that point. From roleplay perspektive you are rebels who took our colleagues hostage you tried to kill us, sorry, let me correct that one.. you did kill one of us (restrained PCSO) and after all that you come up to us and wants our SGT to listen to you when you are interrupting him? Anyway when he got angry it clearly showed some results, you started to pay attention to him and to what he had to say.

We were also veeeeery nice to you, I don't think any of you got over 75K ticket because we know how rebels are nowadays, as soon as they lose their gear after a gun fight against the police they instantly come to our teamspeak liaison crying over what happened. In your case you didn't care about the fact that we didn't give u a big ticket and you instead wanted to speak with us anyways, and that's fine we are more than happy to talk to you about it but then when we spoke to you and it felt like its been solved you then go to the website and write this report, *a big hard facepalm*.

We gave you our perspektive and when it was your time to talk you let adam talk for you, with only a few words from you, your gang even ended the conversation saying that they were going to ask for a compensation from the other gang who got you into this. Feels like it's just like SGT Alfred said, you are reporting us because you are more annoyed with the fact that we were talking with with a rather angry tone at the end of the situation.   

 
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Alright so now me and SGT Alfred know that it is a hostage situation. We then proceed to drive close to you with a very low speed to show you that we want to stop and talk with you and we didn't even get to do that because the first thing we heard was ‘’fk off or die’’ so there is the problem, we weren't allowed to negotiate the hostages, you did not want us to roleplay with you, you went straight on to threaten our lives and with you with them saying leave leave confirms to us that you are in fact with them, there is no way in hell that I would know that you are not with them after that, no way whatsoever.
Do you even read my replays? I said not of us said leave or die. Also, last time i checked you guys dont decide when you want to negotiate.Even though we just wanted to talk to the officer.

Alright now let’s see if what you said matches up with your actions on the live server:

You say that you weren't involved 

And then later on in your second comment say this

 Im gonna ask the same question again and hopefully we can get the correct answer from you, because right now your beating around the bushes. Where you involved or not? If not why did you not holster your weapon? Why did you tells us to leave?
At the end of the day this was a confusing situation and you and the SGT coming along make it even worse. If you just stayed away none of this would of ever happen. Whops i totally forgot your only allowed to have 1 decision and cant change you mind, silly me. I didn't holster my gun because they were random rebels their and at any point they could initiate and i would be at a disadvantage. I told you to leave as if you stopped by you would just make the situation even more confusing and wouldn't let us talk directly to the first cops. You shouldn't of jumped to a conclusion and just waited.

And please don't tell me

when you clearly in your OWN VIDEO show that you told the PCSO to put his hands above his, not only that, you also continue with taking his GPS, ‘’radio’’ (which you did not take) and his MK20c. Seeing that part of the video doesn’t really show me or any other person reading this report how concerned you were about your own safety when It was also YOU who restrained the PCSO. It shows us that you are the one who is in ‘’control’’ of the situation.  
Please could you time stamp where i said "put your hands up" or whatever. So im not allowed to take peoples guns etc? Bro im gonna ask you to stay out of this report as at this point you are not listing to me at all and im just going to keep on repeating my self. If your gonna create an aguremnet, read the oposting aguremnt first. Unfrontely ill say it again. I RESTRAINED HIM SO ADAM COULD TAKE TO HIM. So if i take a gun from someone it means im in controll. Well ok then what ever you say man. 

Funny thing, right after you say we are not involved you take out your gun and say

‘’If you try anything you know what will happen’’

You can find that in your own video (00:40-1:05)
Am i not allowed to change my mind?

After seeing the video again I would like to correct something here, when me and SGT Alfred arrived to the scene you claim that you said leave leave, with a not hostile tone. Watch your own video from (1:14-1:20) showing you screaming, ‘’yo back off man, keep on driving keep on driving'' while pointing a gun at us. Not hostile you said? Logic? Hello?
Firstly i would like to question "Hostile tone"? I was going "back off", "keep on driving" and the only reason i had my pointed at you is because i was in combat stance and it would be very stupid to holster my weapon and tell you to leave and then pull it back out. Its just a waste of time. Below i quoted what i said and not one part of that did i say i wasn't hostile.

We see cops pull out,which was slightly mysterious and doggy, so i go up to them and say "leave,leave" and one of the random rebels tell the cops in the car "leave or die" so they drive off.


Do you see where this is going? This report you made is rubbish, its making you look bad in front of everyone.
Now your just embarrassing your self. A random rebel told you leave or die so you decided to drive away and decamp and use rubbers against us. Your almost acting like rebels.

You also claim that we didn't give you roleplay when you got restrained

which is again another lie from you, before I started to talk with you, SGT alfred talked to you as well, showing in your own video, watch from (02:27-02:58) but then we had a police officer say, there is one more guy and that's when Alfred left, when he did, we still had an officer with you talking, this is also shown in your own video. A couple of seconds later you see me come back again when I see that SGT Alfred got control of the situation with the other rebel who was hiding in the building. So I started talking with you, but everytime I wanted to say something you interrupted me and didn't let me speak, so I thought for myself, let them cool down and I’ll let SGT Alfred talk with them later when the situation is over.
Around 02:23,When we got rubbed, to 12:44 was just talk about the situation and not role play. While at PD their were points where nothing was said and it was very quite. The talk mainly was about going to liaison and the situation before hand.

Anyway before I left the place a rebel came up to me and knocked me out, no gun out and not a single word from his mouth came out before he did it. When he did that, we see just a second after an UNARMED and RESTRAINED PCSO[SIZE=10.5pt] getting killed by one of you lot.. the guy who killed the PCSO is L3WIS I believe, you can see that in the [/SIZE]kill feed[SIZE=10.5pt] bottom left. [/SIZE]
You rubbed us and he was in the gang and must of had eyes on the situation. Theoretically its a active gunfight as im pretty sure other cops died as well. It was rebels vs cops. I cant read other peoples thoughts so i dont know how you expect me to know.

I would also like to know why the video is clipped at 12:30 and at 14:30?
I most likely tabbed out of game as nothing much was happening. By the way this is plays.tv so you cant even edit to that extent with it.

So we drive to kavala PD so we could sort things out without us having to worry about more rebels hiding somewhere, we tried to talk with you there, we had all the officers over there, the restrained one and the rescuers including SGT Alfred, each time he wanted to say something you again did the same thing as you did to me, you kept on interrupting him over and over again, that's when he go frustrated, you claim it was unprofessional but if you see it from a roleplay and in real life perspektive it was 100% normal reaktion, 3 of you speaking at the same time as him, what do you think he is supposed to do to make you calm down? Give you an energy drink or baked beans? Not even a Canadian police officer would have been talking to you with a nice tone at that point. From roleplay perspektive you are rebels who took our colleagues hostage you tried to kill us, sorry, let me correct that one.. you did kill one of us (restrained PCSO) and after all that you come up to us and wants our SGT to listen to you when you are interrupting him? Anyway when he got angry it clearly showed some results, you started to pay attention to him and to what he had to say.
I scimmed though it and their was only one of us talking at a time. You were not listening to us as we wanted to see you in the police liaison before you took our guns of us. You are not looking at the bigger picture instead thinking your right all the time. We never took anyone hostage, we just restrained them so we could talk to them. I never personally killed any of you and i think the purpose of cops dieing is because you rubbed 2-3 gang members. We were in restraints its not like we could of not complied. That makes no sense.

We were also veeeeery nice to you, I don't think any of you got over 75K ticket because we know how rebels are nowadays, as soon as they lose their gear after a gun fight against the police they instantly come to our teamspeak liaison crying over what happened. In your case you didn't care about the fact that we didn't give u a big ticket and you instead wanted to speak with us anyways, and that's fine we are more than happy to talk to you about it but then when we spoke to you and it felt like its been solved you then go to the website and write this report, *a big hard facepalm*.   
No rebels go to liaison about police because the ussaully do something wrong or break rules. Its very common this days. It wasn't resolved.

We gave you our perspektive and when it was your time to talk you let adam talk for you, with only a few words from you, your gang even ended the conversation saying that they were going to ask for a compensation from the other gang who got you into this. Feels like it's just like SGT Alfred said, you are reporting us because you are more annoyed with the fact that we were talking with with a rather angry tone at the end of the situation.   
I`m pretty sure one member said they were going to get comp of the other gang however he never even got in contact with him. Instead we should be getting comp of you for rubbering us with the initiation fuck of or die.

Few questions for you

How long have you been on the server for?

Have you had a thero read of the rules?

I`m going to stop posting until an admin requests and i just see a waste of time now. I`ve spent around 1 hour replaying when i have better things to do. Especially when im just repeating my self because you are not reading my replay fully.

-Smithy

 
This is a shambles. 

This is a very lengthy report in which myself and the other staff leads have evaluated and taken everything into consideration. Apologies for the delay in finalising our response, it has been more difficult than usual to arrange a meeting over the new year period.

So, where do we start.

Firstly

You claim you are not affiliated with the rebel's who begin to hold up the police, but then proceed to get your weapon out and join in. You then become part of the threat towards the officers. This then means in a situation which a whole rebel group then shout towards oncoming police "leave or die" in which you specifically only said "leave, keep on driving, keep on driving" which is fine. However, you actively took part in that situation which you was then deemed involved by the police. How do you expect the police arriving on scene to not deem you involved if you have a weapon out and majority of rebels shouted threats towards them?

Quote from yourself "If you try anything you know what will happen" - This is you confirming you are involved to those around you.

Moving on...

If this situation was met with less hostility towards the arriving police then negotiation could have been made for the hostages and proceed to roleplay. However, in simple terms, how do you and the rebels expect the police to do this when they are instantly threatened to leave or they die. There is no possible chance to roleplay due to these comments.

The problem that we interpret here is that there is no value for life for the hostage? yet again back to the above point how are they to attempt negotiation when they are told they will die...

"Go pro this, go pro that" . "yeah i've got my go pro on so don't you worry man, we'll get these dirty corrupt cops sorted" 
  • These are the type of comments that prevent roleplay from occuring. You got rubbered, you don't complain via // you let the situation play out and roleplay your way out of it. This is not just aimed towards yourself but to the others involved in the video. 


Let's look at these specific time-stamps:

  • 1.59 - Everyone is Rubbered
  • 6.01 - PCSO who is restrained gets killed.
(7.1.3) Killing someone must be carried out with high quality roleplay, “put your hands up or I will shoot” etc is considered low quality RP and may lead to a ban for RDM/Fail RP. Executing another player must also be carried out with high quality roleplay, the only exception to this rule is if both you and the victim are engaged in a gunfight together.

I fail to see which part of shooting the PCSO from a distance is "quality roleplay". People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones and all that...

Action Taken: (7.1.3)


Name:E l L3W1S


Steam ID:76561198101332259


GUID:d987698f536f6a34a5064b0b13ab3b2a

More time-stamps:

  • 5.42 - Rebel knocks out the officer without speaking to him.
Knocking someone out without any roleplay seems a bit suspect. A little bit more context than walking up and basically sucker punching the guy is expected here. Consider this a warning to the person in this video. It's not OK.

  • 1.56 - You claim to take radio and GPS, you never actually do.
There is a physical item and you had the chance to take it but didn't. The claim against the PCSO for using his radio is void.

Finally... not related to your gang as you said, but.

“put your hands up or I will shoot” etc is considered low quality RP and may lead to a ban for RDM/Fail RP

Given that this rule is very clear, there is nowhere in the rules to suggest "drive off or you will die" (at 1:18) to be ok.

Action Taken: (7.1.3)


Name:Carl


Steam ID:76561198042163858


GUID:3f914aafc48d1e1b3a25119ab8bea07e

To conclude the report against Alfred and Ghaleb itself...

I believe that SGT Alfred, PCSO Ghaleb have apologised for you feeling like you were mistreated in this situation but regardless, poor treatment from a police officer is not a server rule issue. I am certain that his command within the police can deal with this if/where necessary.

After reviewing the evidence, and writing this with @TomTheDoge, we see no reason that justifies a ban for Alfred and Ghaleb. We hope you take all the above into consideration if a similar situation occurs in the future.

Report Rejected.

 
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