Rules Feedback

[Tom Cliffoff]

Could work but people do have Police heli in their own garage so could cause issues with miss communication

Could work but people do have Police heli in their own garage so could cause issues with miss communication

I’m sure our reliable NPAS don’t go around one man handed in rebel gear, in fact their uniform is black, quite distinctive.

 

[Simon Ross]

I’m sure our reliable NPAS don’t go around one man handed in rebel gear, in fact their uniform is black, quite distinctive.

A) there are people with NPAS heli in their garage

B) it l isn’t extremely hard to take NPAS helis, just need to get the pilot when it is on the ground

 

[Aethon]

How long are police allowed to keep you on restraints at a PD? If I get tased or arrested sometimes officers want to 'interrogate' me. This can be fun, but on several occasions I've been left alone in a room waiting, sometimes for a long time. Is there any limit to how long you can reasonably be kept in a cell at the PD without being talked to, especially if officers plan to send you to jail anyway?

 

[Simon Ross]

How long are police allowed to keep you on restraints at a PD? If I get tased or arrested sometimes officers want to 'interrogate' me. This can be fun, but on several occasions I've been left alone in a room waiting, sometimes for a long time. Is there any limit to how long you can reasonably be kept in a cell at the PD without being talked to, especially if officers plan to send you to jail anyway?

Common sense Imo. If it has been long time with no interaction mssg one of the cops involved but if you have been left there and they don’t respond, when the cuffs come off walk away/if trapped relog(assuming they aren’t there)

 

[Charles Vane]

In response to a recent report:

Alex Rose said:

Thank you for your report.

Jungle Difference & Mad Yoke - 2.2 - RDM

As rebel gang, initiations must be made for 'friends in the area', if this is not made then any group that joins a gunfight without initiation or high quality role-play is committing RDM.

Under current rules and practices, only white-listed factions are able to join a gunfight if hostilities are witnessed. Regardless of any 'uniform', rebel gangs do not have the ability to group initiate in this way. It is reasonable to expect and assume that all members involved in this report know this.

Whilst both of these involved have bans for RDM in the past, any documented history was at least 6 months ago. In recognition of such they will both be receiving a final warning rather than a ban. Step up and play by the rules or else you will be banned.

Now, its this part i have an issue with:

"Under current rules and practices, only white-listed factions are able to join a gunfight if hostilities are witnessed. Regardless of any 'uniform', rebel gangs do not have the ability to group initiate in this way. It is reasonable to expect and assume that all members involved in this report know this."

My question to staff is, where? or is this another one of those "you just should know" kinda rules? -

Your telling me that if we witness our friend get shot in the face, however they never said the script "I have friends in the area" that this means we are not suppose to care about that persons life?

Then in the same situation, poseidon would be within there right to turn around and shoot a rebel and say "sorry i deemed you involved".

Same situation, if a cop/poseidon sees another cop/poseidon get knocked out they can insta shoot? Why? 

Why cant rebels, this makes no sense. At the end of the day its the exact same thing. If they are executing someone/shooting someone they need to be considerate of there actions and think "ooh maybe they do have friends there, lets wait a bit" without just executing someone. Obviously its best if you have time to say "i have friends, or in the course of roleplay make it clear there is more than just 1 however this is not always possible in the heat of the moment for for a possible ban for RDM i think this needs addressing.

I believe that you should either:

• Actually make this a rule, because its not there at the minute and people got a warning for a rule thats not there
  
• Make it fair for all sides. No reason why rebels cannot do it
  

The only reason why i think you could be against this would be because if someone is shot or executed then police/poseidon would have to deem every rebel around has "hostile".. which could get messy because they are not wearing uniform. However, its surely there decision and there risk to take. If they want to shoot or execute someone then they should not be immune from hostile action because someone never said "i have friends in the area". 

Unless i have missed an important part out i cannot understand why this is not currently within the rules, or why it could not be fair for all. 

Could anyone shed a little more light on this please?

 

[Antollyme]

(8.1.5) You may not write in sidechat that you are robbing the bank. This is your operation with the friends/group members that are there with you. You may not call for backup, only those on site at the beginning of the heist may take part. The Police may return after NLR timer is up however non-whitelisted civilians may not.  

Can it be looked into to not allow anyone to return to a HM after death unless the situation has been moved i.e transport stage. I brought this up in a Poseidon Q&A section under the assumption that this was the case when the UNMC was about but evidently I was mistaken. Just seems silly to me that this rule applies to rebels that would have a much greater cost requirement and difficulty to return to the situation than Poseidon do. Why should a faction that has more accessibility to weapons and (correct me if I'm wrong) at a cheaper price, have the ability to return and rebels not?  I can say from experience that when the police have seemingly won, Poseidon often tend to head back to continue the situation if one or so of them survived. May come across as rude but t it can often be compared to Nazi Zombies, wave after wave that police would have to fend off until forced to retreat, lose the situation or the attackers i.e. Poseidon lose interest. (Its often known that after an officer dies especially in a HM, they tend to log off or go nowhere near the situation in their second life as they just didn't have a fun time, making it even more difficult to deal with round 52 on Kino Der Toten).

 

[YoCo]

@Antollyme Just to clarify, Do you mean police aren't allowed to return aswell?

Just a side note, Banks at the moment are hard enough without fighting waves of cops/poseidon at the HM/casino. Because you normally get hit in transport stage by both factions and other rebels anyways.

So I would enjoy seeing no returns to heists from any members!

 

[Antollyme]

It wasn't what I intended but if you consider it to currently be unfair with police having the ability to return then maybe it should be reviewed as well but from a roleplay perspective I would think that police would have the capability of reinforcements but rebel forces wouldn't.

 

[YoCo]

"Can it be looked into to not allow anyone to return to a HM after death" - @Antollyme

Oh your post is a bit misleading then. xD

 

[Tom Cliffoff]

Friends have initiated on some people you in the radio when they hot-mic it, gun fight breaks out you drive over to the situation get out your car right next to one of the people your members have initiated on you start talking to them and pointing out fake information to where your friends and allies are. Overall if I'm having a friendly conversation with the person that has been initiated on can I just pull out my gun and gat the fucker since I was in the radio when they initiated on them?

@Aiden could we possibly get a rule for this since 2 days ago I was very tempted me completely looking like a hobo with a starter pistol going around Kavala, some allies had initiated I was in the call when it was hot miced I turned up not sure what I was doing went to one of the officers that was shooting at my friend, started talking to him ect during the gun fight were he continuously told me to piss off. Yet I though of what you said and thought if was best if I leave the situation and don't shoot him up because that report someone got banned for. So could we have some clarification to this not a idk someone got banned for it last time its a strange one.

 

[Tom Cliffoff]

[SIZE=medium](4.4) If you are restrained and communications have been removed you must not be active on any other forms of communications other than direct chat. [/SIZE]

Taking someones communication's must be carried out with high quality roleplay; The person that has restrained you must state that they have taken away your communications, therefore you have been verbally told. Without them telling you you have no recognition that it was taken off of you. 

 

[KingGodDiabloZ]

All the above have been discussed at the rules meeting today. 

 

[KingGodDiabloZ]

In response to a recent report:

Alex Rose said:

Thank you for your report.

Jungle Difference & Mad Yoke - 2.2 - RDM

As rebel gang, initiations must be made for 'friends in the area', if this is not made then any group that joins a gunfight without initiation or high quality role-play is committing RDM.

Under current rules and practices, only white-listed factions are able to join a gunfight if hostilities are witnessed. Regardless of any 'uniform', rebel gangs do not have the ability to group initiate in this way. It is reasonable to expect and assume that all members involved in this report know this.

Whilst both of these involved have bans for RDM in the past, any documented history was at least 6 months ago. In recognition of such they will both be receiving a final warning rather than a ban. Step up and play by the rules or else you will be banned.

Now, its this part i have an issue with:

"Under current rules and practices, only white-listed factions are able to join a gunfight if hostilities are witnessed. Regardless of any 'uniform', rebel gangs do not have the ability to group initiate in this way. It is reasonable to expect and assume that all members involved in this report know this."

My question to staff is, where? or is this another one of those "you just should know" kinda rules? -

Your telling me that if we witness our friend get shot in the face, however they never said the script "I have friends in the area" that this means we are not suppose to care about that persons life?

 Then in the same situation, poseidon would be within there right to turn around and shoot a rebel and say "sorry i deemed you involved".

Same situation, if a cop/poseidon sees another cop/poseidon get knocked out they can insta shoot? Why? 

Why cant rebels, this makes no sense. At the end of the day its the exact same thing. If they are executing someone/shooting someone they need to be considerate of there actions and think "ooh maybe they do have friends there, lets wait a bit" without just executing someone. Obviously its best if you have time to say "i have friends, or in the course of roleplay make it clear there is more than just 1 however this is not always possible in the heat of the moment for for a possible ban for RDM i think this needs addressing.

I believe that you should either:

• Actually make this a rule, because its not there at the minute and people got a warning for a rule thats not there
  
• Make it fair for all sides. No reason why rebels cannot do it
  

 The only reason why i think you could be against this would be because if someone is shot or executed then police/poseidon would have to deem every rebel around has "hostile".. which could get messy because they are not wearing uniform. However, its surely there decision and there risk to take. If they want to shoot or execute someone then they should not be immune from hostile action because someone never said "i have friends in the area". 

 Unless i have missed an important part out i cannot understand why this is not currently within the rules, or why it could not be fair for all. 

Could anyone shed a little more light on this please?

As you said in your response police and poseidon have a uniform. As a whitelisted faction on this island they get a uniform that is distinguishable to civilians as a whitelisted faction. When performing any hostile acts against a whitelisted faction it is common sense to expect a retaliation from this whitelisted faction. With rebels/civilians it wouldn't be common sense to expect every civilian to have a group of armed friends there to back him up. To your point of: "Make it fair for all sides. No reason why rebels cannot do it". There is a reason on why rebels cannot do this: Rebels are not distinguishable by any sort of uniform thus for the people involved in the situation it is not possible to identify people involved; the argument that is often used is: "we use a uniform as well", this uniform is however not official and any rebel can put on these clothes. No changes to the rules will be made however I do hope my explanation made it a bit clearer.

Also as a note to add. Rebels due to this get the advantage of being able to sneak up on cops/cartel members without being deemed involved initially. This due to them not having any uniform. Within a situation either side has some advantages/disadvantages this has always been the case and will always be the case. 

(8.1.5) You may not write in sidechat that you are robbing the bank. This is your operation with the friends/group members that are there with you. You may not call for backup, only those on site at the beginning of the heist may take part. The Police may return after NLR timer is up however non-whitelisted civilians may not.  

Can it be looked into to not allow anyone to return to a HM after death unless the situation has been moved i.e transport stage. I brought this up in a Poseidon Q&A section under the assumption that this was the case when the UNMC was about but evidently I was mistaken. Just seems silly to me that this rule applies to rebels that would have a much greater cost requirement and difficulty to return to the situation than Poseidon do. Why should a faction that has more accessibility to weapons and (correct me if I'm wrong) at a cheaper price, have the ability to return and rebels not?  I can say from experience that when the police have seemingly won, Poseidon often tend to head back to continue the situation if one or so of them survived. May come across as rude but t it can often be compared to Nazi Zombies, wave after wave that police would have to fend off until forced to retreat, lose the situation or the attackers i.e. Poseidon lose interest. (Its often known that after an officer dies especially in a HM, they tend to log off or go nowhere near the situation in their second life as they just didn't have a fun time, making it even more difficult to deal with round 52 on Kino Der Toten).

This has been discussed and no changes will be made to rule 8.1.5

[SIZE=medium](4.4) If you are restrained and communications have been removed you must not be active on any other forms of communications other than direct chat. [/SIZE]

Taking someones communication's must be carried out with high quality roleplay; The person that has restrained you must state that they have taken away your communications, therefore you have been verbally told. Without them telling you you have no recognition that it was taken off of you. 

From a staff point of view communications have been taken when the windows key function "Take communications/Take GPS" button have been pressed (this will also create a notification), as poseidon do not yet have the option to take communications/take GPS they can take the GPS/communications by taking them by stating they have taken the communications and physically taken them out of the inventory (GPS).

(7.1.7) Warning shots must be issued with 3 tracer rounds past the front and rear of the aircraft. Enough time should be given to comply before taking action.

Think rebels should be able to send police dispatches if its an NPAS(police) heli, because it pops up on their screen just as an ATC does and would work the exact same way, without us having to reveal our location.

[SIZE=11pt]This has been discussed and we decided it will remain how it is and thus the rules will not be changed.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=11pt]Also I do want to remind you of this rule that's in place: (7.1.4) Using the in game phone to warn police You are unable to use the ingame phone to warn the police for example "“Any cops seen within ‘x’km will be shot on site”[/SIZE]

 

[Greater007]

As you said in your response police and poseidon have a uniform. As a whitelisted faction on this island they get a uniform that is distinguishable to civilians as a whitelisted faction. When performing any hostile acts against a whitelisted faction it is common sense to expect a retaliation from this whitelisted faction. With rebels/civilians it wouldn't be common sense to expect every civilian to have a group of armed friends there to back him up. To your point of: "Make it fair for all sides. No reason why rebels cannot do it". There is a reason on why rebels cannot do this: Rebels are not distinguishable by any sort of uniform thus for the people involved in the situation it is not possible to identify people involved; the argument that is often used is: "we use a uniform as well", this uniform is however not official and any rebel can put on these clothes. No changes to the rules will be made however I do hope my explanation made it a bit clearer.

Did police and poseidon members sold they mics or raged so much that they broke mics ?  So rebels are only members now who roleplays  Such a simple thing to say but i guess thats to much(I got police and poseidon nearby). Good job, just delete rebel playerbase

Is that really hard to say that i am gonna get gunned down any second even so meantime i am roleplaying

 

[KingGodDiabloZ]

Did police and poseidon members sold they mics or raged so much that they broke mics ?  So rebels are only members now who roleplays  Such a simple thing to say but i guess thats to much(I got police and poseidon nearby). Good job, just delete rebel playerbase

Is that really hard to say that i am gonna get gunned down any second even so meantime i am roleplaying

Please only post on this topic if you actually have something useful/constructive to add to the discussion instead of throwing wild accusations around and complaining. Further irrelevant posts will be hidden. 

 

[Aethon]

As you said in your response police and poseidon have a uniform. As a whitelisted faction on this island they get a uniform that is distinguishable to civilians as a whitelisted faction. When performing any hostile acts against a whitelisted faction it is common sense to expect a retaliation from this whitelisted faction. With rebels/civilians it wouldn't be common sense to expect every civilian to have a group of armed friends there to back him up. To your point of: "Make it fair for all sides. No reason why rebels cannot do it". There is a reason on why rebels cannot do this: Rebels are not distinguishable by any sort of uniform thus for the people involved in the situation it is not possible to identify people involved; the argument that is often used is: "we use a uniform as well", this uniform is however not official and any rebel can put on these clothes. No changes to the rules will be made however I do hope my explanation made it a bit clearer.

Also as a note to add. Rebels due to this get the advantage of being able to sneak up on cops/cartel members without being deemed involved initially. This due to them not having any uniform. Within a situation either side has some advantages/disadvantages this has always been the case and will always be the case. 

This has been discussed and no changes will be made to rule 8.1.5

From a staff point of view communications have been taken when the windows key function "Take communications/Take GPS" button have been pressed (this will also create a notification), as poseidon do not yet have the option to take communications/take GPS they can take the GPS/communications by taking them by stating they have taken the communications and physically taken them out of the inventory (GPS).

[SIZE=11pt]This has been discussed and we decided it will remain how it is and thus the rules will not be changed.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=11pt]Also I do want to remind you of this rule that's in place: (7.1.4) Using the in game phone to warn police You are unable to use the ingame phone to warn the police for example "“Any cops seen within ‘x’km will be shot on site”[/SIZE]

@Charles Vane, @YoCo, and @Antollyme made valid points. If there is some reason why these rules can’t be changed, what is it? The relationship between players who play rebel and server management doesn’t seem to be good, at least from what I’ve witnessed. Why are the rules stacked against them?

I’m not trying to come across as salty, and being in the middle of GCSEs I haven’t been on in a few weeks. I’m just not sure what the reasoning is behind keeping rules like this.

 

[KingGodDiabloZ]

@Charles Vane, @YoCo, and @Antollyme made valid points. If there is some reason why these rules can’t be changed, what is it? The relationship between players who play rebel and server management doesn’t seem to be good, at least from what I’ve witnessed. Why are the rules stacked against them?

 I’m not trying to come across as salty, and being in the middle of GCSEs I haven’t been on in a few weeks. I’m just not sure what the reasoning is behind keeping rules like this.

Hi,

I'm not sure what you are aiming at. Every 2 weeks there is a rules meeting in which all rule suggestions are brought up and discussed within the staff team. This is also where the decision is made whether to change a rule or keep it how it is. If people manage to convince us with good arguments and/or we agree something should be changed it will be changed, however if the main arguments are based around "it's not fair we want it as well"  then that doesn't provide a strong basis from us to go from. 

There is no rules stacking against people/factions and I don't understand where the "the relationship between players who play rebel and server management doesn't seem to be good" comes from. 

 

[Greater007]

Hi,

I'm not sure what you are aiming at. Every 2 weeks there is a rules meeting in which all rule suggestions are brought up and discussed within the staff team. This is also where the decision is made whether to change a rule or keep it how it is. If people manage to convince us with good arguments and/or we agree something should be changed it will be changed, however if the main arguments are based around "it's not fair we want it as well"  then that doesn't provide a strong basis from us to go from. 

There is no rules stacking against people/factions and I don't understand where the "the relationship between players who play rebel and server management doesn't seem to be good" comes from. 

Why is that rule in server now? What was reasons for that rule, can you guys give some examples?

I will say it again. When rebel is roleplaying, middle roleplay he just gets gunned down. How can you guys say that is good roleplay experience.

So now police and poseidon sees armed and geared person, they think that person is civilian and has no friends?  Come on, whole server atleast my experience is full of rebels than civilians. Only civilians you see are in Kavala green zone saying some dumb shit  

Are admins not playing in server anymore ?

 

[Kempi Anderson]

Are admins not playing in server anymore ?

As a staff member and active rebel that does play on the server, I do not see a issue with how it currently works.

Please do not throw accusations like these just because the rules didn't change to exactly how you wish. 

When rebel is roleplaying, middle roleplay he just gets gunned down.

That is RDM, please refer to rule 2.2 

 

[Tquinn342]

please take the time to read in full as I feel I am raising some very important points and issues currently in the server 

I'm sorry but I know  this server is very good but the player base lets it down I believe the rules around restraining and executions need to be reinforced heavily and a set criteria put in place which has to be met I also believe that players if they believe they have been wrongly executed by a faction should be able out of roleplay to contact an admin and have both parties in a neutral standing to give both sides as people are executing people for very very stupid reasons and I believe tis is excessive force and as a new player on the server I believe it as left a bad taste in my mouth and has ruined my experience as a player on this server I personally  believe I will not return to the server until the following are addressed in detail:

firstly the use of executions and the criteria and crimes needed to be committed for any player or faction to use tis as a means of punishing them.

secondly the lack of nhs players on a server yes its great having 5 or six cops but when their is not enough nhs members on duty the server should not run as it ruins the roleplay aspect of the faction and ruins overall game play within and if not implement basic first aid so players can acquire this skill in order to keep downed players alive until an ambulance reaches them or improve response times by surveying wat areas could do with a small ambulance base or medical clinic  

thirdly admins need to be taking a more frontline role among factions and should be present during a roleplay if a player feels they have been mistreated by another one or more then they should be able to address this in a formal way and have a report system or complaint system open within the server for people to have it delt with their and then instead of having to leave game 

and further more  the use of excessive force both by the police and all factions this needs to be addressed as their is a faint line between using the appropriate level for the situation presented and then going over the top this needs addressed in the server as players are getting away with this on a regular basis and its ruining the server as it is creating an endless cycle for new players being picked on new players should be helped and not seen as easy money for a player and this needs to be reaffirmed among the player base in order to help boost the confidence among new players and encourage friendlier gameplay 

I also feel that since the server is based around the uk system of laws and regulations gun laws should be limited to rifles shotguns and hand guns and fully automatic firearms have to be bought on the appropriate license and must be registered in a police database except for rebel but illegal guns can only be used in the rebel zones for fairness and also before being issued a gun license in the uk u have to complete a medical to ensure you are physically and mentally capable to own a firearm and ten a extensive background check is carried out in order to ensure guns are not being given to someone who could be a danger to them selves or others 

also the server at this present moment is not really a civilian roleplay their is militaristic vehicles in everyday use and the player base mainly dress in a militaristic style yes I appreciate we a re limited by arma 3 assets but still the server is starting to cross the line between a civilian life roleplay and a low level wasteland survival with the features of altis life and I believe this needs to be addressed as quickly as possible as this server compared to others is extremely militaristic and it can start after a while to not appeal to those whom are wising to take part in a civilian lifestyle within arma 3 

I am simply giving constructive criticism these are the views and opinions of myself and are not reflective of any other player nor server administrative personal many regards