SPG Uniform

[SGT Dean Hastings]

Would the police be open to other colours, as currently they are all the same blue black except from rtu- a new lighter shade of blue or a blood red would keep it constant with the blue/black/dark theme whilst making it a uniform which is significantly unique - as with the NCA and AR uniform from a distance at a quick glance they loon relatively similar and I feel like this would just end up being another confusion 

I am an SC so its not upto me. I know what you mean though, thats why I added the stripes along the arms, SPG coat of arms and the SPG letters to the uniform so they are more distinguishable. I am not sure what a uniform outside black, blue and grey would look like, I drew inspiriation from other countries to design the uniform I designed. Bright blue might look too close to PCSO's though. Thankyou for the input and not just saying no without any justification

 

[Ace J Hunter]

Would the police be open to other colours, as currently they are all the same blue black except from rtu- a new lighter shade of blue or a blood red would keep it constant with the blue/black/dark theme whilst making it a uniform which is significantly unique - as with the NCA and AR uniform from a distance at a quick glance they loon relatively similar and I feel like this would just end up being another confusion 

We are more leaning towards a marshall uniform base, which is very different to everything else.

 

[Coco]

How often is SPG actually used? I see cops using their SPG gear on normal patrols with regular cops but never an actual SPG patrol protecting someone or something

 

[Simon Ross]

How often is SPG actually used? I see cops using their SPG gear on normal patrols with regular cops but never an actual SPG patrol protecting someone or something

Valid point actually. SPG regularly seem to patrol only SPG gear as a unit without protecting anything specifically - just acting like a glorified general patrol. I haven’t seen them do any sort of “set up/roleplay police VIP protection” thing or any other RP/general mission since the new year, nor have I seen them protecting any groups or people doing runs either 

 

[AlfredW]

[...] I haven’t seen them do any sort of “set up/roleplay police VIP protection” thing or any other RP/general mission since the new year, nor have I seen them protecting any groups or people doing runs either [...]

What you said makes it sound as if we are limited to only protecting Civilians doing runs and Mayors going on tour, but that is simply not true. On our WIKI page our remit is explained and here is a list from our handbook of our full remit:

Close Protection for VIPs
      -Mobile Protection (Escorts & Convoys)
      -Static Protection
Static Armed Protection
      -Venue & Event Security
Critical National Infrastructure Protection
      -Mobile Armed Response
      -Specialised Negotiations
      -Site Protection (Infrastructure Security)
            --Royal Bank Assets: RBA Treasury, RBA Reserve, Banks
            --Government Assets: 10 Kavala Street
            --Police Assets: AR Weapons Cache, Police Stations, HMP
            --Civilian Infrastructure: Fuel Stations, Processors, Airports (Aviation Polcing & Security)
Resource & Asset Protection 
      -Mobile Protection (Weapons, Nuclear Material, Hazardous & Protected Loads)
Territorial Policing
      -Public Order Containment & Peace Keeping
      -Operations
            --Roadblocks & Closing Streets (Rerouting)
            --Checkpoints (Stop & Search)
            --Lockdowns

Other
   -Civilian Activities (Runs)
   -Prisoner Transport

 

[Coco]

Close Protection for VIPs
      -Mobile Protection (Escorts & Convoys)
      -Static Protection
Static Armed Protection
      -Venue & Event Security
Critical National Infrastructure Protection
      -Mobile Armed Response
      -Specialised Negotiations
      -Site Protection (Infrastructure Security)
            --Royal Bank Assets: RBA Treasury, RBA Reserve, Banks
            --Government Assets: 10 Kavala Street
            --Police Assets: AR Weapons Cache, Police Stations, HMP
            --Civilian Infrastructure: Fuel Stations, Processors, Airports (Aviation Polcing & Security)
Resource & Asset Protection 
      -Mobile Protection (Weapons, Nuclear Material, Hazardous & Protected Loads)
Territorial Policing
      -Public Order Containment & Peace Keeping
      -Operations
            --Roadblocks & Closing Streets (Rerouting)
            --Checkpoints (Stop & Search)
            --Lockdowns

Other
   -Civilian Activities (Runs)
   -Prisoner Transport

So SPG just does what every other cop does everyday but they just get some extra gear for it? I think this has really put into perspective how worthless the group is overall. I’m not trying to be rude here but is this all SPG can do? Did you really need a whole spec unit and a uniform now just for doing what regular cops do everyday?

I know it’s a roleplay focused group but considering you don’t actually do anything special or unique then surely just the default police uniform is sufficient, right?

If this was for the Fivem server then I think it would be great, because you could actually be unique on there.

Just my opinion anyway

 

[Santo]

So SPG just does what every other cop does everyday but they just get some extra gear for it? I think this has really put into perspective how worthless the group is overall. I’m not trying to be rude here but is this all SPG can do? Did you really need a whole spec unit and a uniform now just for doing what regular cops do everyday?

The same can be said for any unit within the police....

NCA specialise in drugs for example, if a normal patrol sees a drug run they'll also deal with it.
AR primarily deal with large weapons, if a normal patrol sees a group of people with guns they'll attempt to deal with it.

The difference between spec units and normal police is that they, well specialise in areas of the police, they go out of their way to perform that specific task and the list above is what SPG is tasked to go out of their way to deal with.

SPG are typically the only unit that will perform convoys.
SPG are typically the only unit that will perform static protection. (most units are constantly patrolling the island not one specific location).
The list goes on...

 

[Ace J Hunter]

I say we stop talking about this, as it is simply turning into an argument. If @Rice Krispy you have a problem with the SPG's duties, remit or conduct I am happy to have a chat with you. I am not going to make any additional points on the matter on this post. This post should be used to talk about the suggested uniform at hand and is not about SPG as a unit or our place on the server. If anyone else has any issues feel free to contact me, through either for forums, teamspeak or discord.

 

[Fergu]

Love the skin and all but not every section in the cops needs their own uniform. -1

 

[Nuclear]

Love the skin and all but not every section in the cops needs their own uniform. -1

This is my opinion also they already have a silver spoon in their mouth by having all vehicles,guns,undercover,most skins . There is no need whatsoever to give them more , just give them the grey mi5 uniform and mi5 can use the undercover shit thats what they are anyway (undercover&shit).

Also if you havent figured it out yet the reason your suggestion is getting mass downvoted is because like i already stated cops get everything and people are sick of it.

 

[Roberts]

Can we please not deviate from the original topic.

PS. Love it Rekk! 

 

[Nuclear]

Can we please not deviate from the original topic.

PS. Love it Rekk! 

sorry chief just speaking my mind and the truth that nobody dares to say, i like the skin aswell dont get me wrong i just dont think they need it.

 

[ShadowDirector]

Well I think you guys should take a look at this​

Not including civilian skins which I am happy to do if needed, the Police overall have a stupid amount of skins already. Most of them are completely unnecessary. I personally am totally against the Police as a faction getting anymore skins as you can clearly see by the image above they have enough already if anything they should have some things removed not added. 

PS: This is all myself & @Stubley could find on the training server, we have counted the skins attached to individual vehicles & clothes. ​

 

[Antollyme]

Well I think you guys should take a look at this​

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Not including civilian skins which I am happy to do if needed, the Police overall have a stupid amount of skins already. Most of them are completely unnecessary. I personally am totally against the Police as a faction getting anymore skins as you can clearly see by the image above they have enough already if anything they should have some things removed not added. 

PS: This is all myself & @Stubley could find on the training server, we have counted the skins attached to individual vehicles & clothes. ​

Nice use of the training server 0.o

 

[Fergu]

Well I think you guys should take a look at this​

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Not including civilian skins which I am happy to do if needed, the Police overall have a stupid amount of skins already. Most of them are completely unnecessary. I personally am totally against the Police as a faction getting anymore skins as you can clearly see by the image above they have enough already if anything they should have some things removed not added. 

PS: This is all myself & @Stubley could find on the training server, we have counted the skins attached to individual vehicles & clothes. ​

U forgot the civ SUVs SPG get now

 

[CSI Greenhalgh]

 

[Simon Ross]

I know this is all off topic but it is pretty clear the reason people are against this is not the skin itself but all the police skins in total and the unit itself. Currently SPG seems to be lacking in purpose

NPAS - Air travel 

Marine - Water travel 

AR - General weapon support and generally on scene when large rebels groups and Poseidon involved

NCA - Generally specifically targeting Poseidon lands & other higher tier crime

Spectre - Undercover RP etc

Then there is SPG - it lacks a purpose which fits into the unit grouping. SPG is most commonly seen patrolling as regular officers and the occasional VIP thing. (Although you do say otherwise - from a player perspective this is what is seen occurring)
 

I propose you turn SPG into a constab. Similar to RTU

There are the 3 general Constabs already(Kav, Athira, Agios)

TheB RTU which knock down the WL of Sporty by a rank and makes them more “highway based”

SPG could then be added in here - however rather than the sporty they get the unmarked SUV - progress the ranks like normal(PC-> SGT etc.) but also could have internal SPG tiers still. They can be SPG but forfeit the ability to join a Primary Unit until SGT, however they can be in a Secondary Unit at PC. 

Although yes this is off topic significantly I do believe if this change was to occur the Uniform would be completely re considered as there is nothing wrong with the Uniform, just the current position of SPG within the police Units. It would be nice to not have this reply hidden as a change like this could then result in greater popularity of this skin(however for that I do think they would also need to lose a couple skins elsewhere too) - likewise if this idea of turning SPG into a constab is terrible and a fat no, it would be nice to have that stated and why - as I believe that could and would solve the current problem of SPG not having a proper place on the server 

 

[Yhames]

As a member of SPG, please just let us use our normal uniforms cause they look absolutely fine as is and I see no real purpose what so ever to get a new custom uniform.

 

[ShadowDirector]

As a member of SPG, please just let us use our normal uniforms cause they look absolutely fine as is and I see no real purpose what so ever to get a new custom uniform.

 

[Riz]

Poseidon don't have an incredible amount of skins due to a lot of skins they use existing in default arma  - something police don't have the luxury of, since there is not many cop related items besides the odd hat & vest. Of course police will have more skins.. Poseidon uses 5+ default skins, and those 5 are just the ones I can remember on the top of my head, clothing-wise. Then more skins for example vehicles were made to accompany that - Fantastic. 

It's a pity when a post making a uniform gets downvoted solely for the purpose of "oh cops have a lot of skins. We don't get it so fuck them", then turning to slagging SPG and it's purpose as a whole.. I don't enjoy making drama, nor is this the intention - but could we please judge a skin by looking at the skin, rather than how many skins police have? focus on it's actual purpose, and why, how SPG is the only unit without a skin for their clothing, how the missionfile would only expand by a few MB, etc..? it's really disheartening to see the reaction to the post, because the actual skin looks quite good - but the focus seems to be in the wrong place