The State of Roleplay and “Initiations”

[TCK Pee Money]

Go on matt lad tell them how it's done.

 

[Ant]

Few questions about this:

Let's imagine you spike strip a hemt on it's way to the weed processor. You then tell the man inside to step out the vehicle without a weapon or he will be shot, at which point he steps out and pulls his weapon. Are you in no right to shoot him? How are you meant to put in some more high quality roleplay if at any moment this man can attempt to defend himself as according to him you are going to kill him?

 

[Matt]

@Ant Arni If he's killed you without engaging in high quality roleplay then he's broken the rule, simple as that.

 

[TCK Pee Money]

Few questions about this:

Let's imagine you spike strip a hemt on it's way to the weed processor. You then tell the man inside to step out the vehicle without a weapon or he will be shot, at which point he steps out and pulls his weapon. Are you in no right to shoot him? How are you meant to put in some more high quality roleplay if at any moment this man can attempt to defend himself as according to him you are going to kill him?

Isn't that the whole point of telling him to get out without a weapon? I mean you tell him to get out WITHOUT a weapon if he decides to get out with a weapon then its fair game to shoot him, you give him your demands he didn't follow them so he get's shot. 

You Russians think crazy like Ant

I also think crazy as i never read your post properly 

 

[Matt]

Isn't that the whole point of telling him to get out without a weapon? I mean you tell him to get out WITHOUT a weapon if he decides to get out with a weapon then its fair game to shoot him, you give him your demands he didn't follow them so he get's shot. 

You Russians think crazy like Ant

I also think crazy as i never read your post properly 

If you provide high quality RP, the other person still doesn't follow your demands then it's fair game.

I'd like to hope you'd broaden your horizon a little further than "Get out without a gun or you'll be shot" though seeing as that's pretty much hands up or die.....

 

[LastNickLeft]

@Dredd the Destroyer I absolutely agree with what you are saying, but I believe that sometimes officers should give a bit more chance to roleplay with them rather than just do their thing because they already checked you on a PNC and want you to slip, make a mistake and get caught on it. Sometimes I feel like I’m being creative, make it fun for them, roleplay for a while and then I get the same treatment as if I was just hostile and refusing to talk. 

It’s not just a police problem, if people learned that you don’t always have to win, you don’t always have to be right and accept the fact that sometimes you really just die or loose your weapon it would be a much more enjoyable environment for everyone.

People also complain a lot about “Stop or you will be tased”... well if you are running away from the police what else are meant to say? “Please sir stop running from me to that alleyway or I will be forced to use my power as a police officer and use non lethal force to stop you escaping, and if you pose any threat to me or my officers we will have to defend ourselves with lethal force”... that just doesn’t work. If you are trying to run away and get away from the police accept the fact that they will try to stop you as soon as possible.. which is absolutely normal and relatable to real life. 

 

[Rossss]

Did I miss something or hasn't this already been in the rules for a long time?

Yup, just newer players and even staff forget that it's roleplay not ruleplay

Pretty sure an almost identical announcement was made a while back too 

 

[Samatlewis]

Yup, just newer players and even staff forget that it's roleplay not ruleplay

Pretty sure an almost identical announcement was made a while back too 

Nothing this year in the news an announcement section.. so maybe your mind is playing tricks on you.

Alrhough, I do somewhat agree to an extent with your point

 

[Jayray Holder]

Recently we’ve had a change of view from the staff team regarding the question of “at what point can you shoot someone?”. Can you shoot someone when they point a gun at you? Can you shoot someone if they threaten you?

I point you at the rule below.

(7.1.3) Killing someone must be carried out with high quality roleplay, “put your hands up or I will shoot” etc is considered low quality RP and may lead to a ban for RDM/Fail RP. Executing another player must also be carried out with high quality roleplay, the only exception to this rule is if both you and the victim are engaged in a gunfight together.

Today the staff team is clarifying it’s interpretation of this rule and the way we deal with reports for RDM/Fail RP.

The answer you will now receive to questions like “at what point can I shoot?” “Can I shoot him if he does X?” will be, have you engaged in high quality roleplay before you shot him?

We will not give a black and white definition of when you can shoot someone, you need to ensure you engage in roleplay of a high quality before you shoot someone. Nor will we give you an example of the minimum.

We have listened to your concerns, we have seen the incidents and we want the standard of RP to increase server wide and we want to help everyone to learn how to do that instead of banning for breaking of black and white unwritten rules.

My best advice is make your roleplay as interesting as you can, instead of running up to that guy you want to rob and telling him immediately to put his hands up give him a bit more, ask him what he’s up to, make a comment about this truck or his lovely pair of sunglasses.

BE CREATIVE!

- Matt and the Staff Team

"Nice glasses, **Pulls out gun** hands up now or i shoot**

 

[Kattana]

What if the person doesn't have sunglasses  

jk

 

[Pea Green]

I'd like to see a sort of Mexican stand-off between 2 factions that either gets diffused or escalated by a random hobo turning up. Sadly most encounters are over quicker than a virgin with a pair of professional escorts.

 

[Dredd]

@LastNickLeft

I completely agree. I personally VERY rarely even use my ANPR. I prefer to ask for a name and then check vehicle registration on foot to confirm ownership. Tends to allow for more dialogue leading up to identifying a perp, although often, civs/rebels don't allow things to go this way, which is a shame.

As for the zigzagging / high tailing upon mention of an arrest, I personally think of it as fail RP. Nobody is agile enough to sidestep fast enough to avoid gunfire. Often it frustrates me that I can't just spray them down with rubber bullets for even attempting to do it.

All in all, interaction / role play takes two to tango. If one side isn't willing, it really isn't possible...

 

[Jayray Holder]

@LastNickLeft

I completely agree. I personally VERY rarely even use my ANPR. I prefer to ask for a name and then check vehicle registration on foot to confirm ownership. Tends to allow for more dialogue leading up to identifying a perp, although often, civs/rebels don't allow things to go this way, which is a shame.

As for the zigzagging / high tailing upon mention of an arrest, I personally think of it as fail RP. Nobody is agile enough to sidestep fast enough to avoid gunfire. Often it frustrates me that I can't just spray them down with rubber bullets for even attempting to do it.

All in all, interaction / role play takes two to tango. If one side isn't willing, it really isn't possible...

It's ment to be a challenge is it not? They won't run in a straight line haha, 

 

[SI Ali Barber]

People don't like having their shit taken, its a game and you spend time doing things for it to be taken by a usually unforgiving cop. I personally, still try to stay out of harm's way and "usually" accept the shit hole I have dug myself. At the end of the day though its a game we play, not real life and won't even be, so comparing outcomes and mechanics to real life movement is in some parts valid but generally completely pointless. I love the platform and the interaction but I think some us need to realise that you cant pretend to "play" real life from behind a desk. 

 

[a d a m]

People don't like having their shit taken, its a game and you spend time doing things for it to be taken by a usually unforgiving cop. I personally, still try to stay out of harm's way and "usually" accept the shit hole I have dug myself. At the end of the day though its a game we play, not real life and won't even be, so comparing outcomes and mechanics to real life movement is in some parts valid but generally completely pointless. I love the platform and the interaction but I think some us need to realise that you cant pretend to "play" real life from behind a desk. 

couldnt have said it any better

 

[R y]

People don't like having their shit taken, its a game and you spend time doing things for it to be taken by a usually unforgiving cop. I personally, still try to stay out of harm's way and "usually" accept the shit hole I have dug myself. At the end of the day though its a game we play, not real life and won't even be, so comparing outcomes and mechanics to real life movement is in some parts valid but generally completely pointless. I love the platform and the interaction but I think some us need to realise that you cant pretend to "play" real life from behind a desk. 

+1 to this comment I guess lol

 

[Dexter]

@LastNickLeft

I completely agree. I personally VERY rarely even use my ANPR. I prefer to ask for a name and then check vehicle registration on foot to confirm ownership. Tends to allow for more dialogue leading up to identifying a perp, although often, civs/rebels don't allow things to go this way, which is a shame.

As for the zigzagging / high tailing upon mention of an arrest, I personally think of it as fail RP. Nobody is agile enough to sidestep fast enough to avoid gunfire. Often it frustrates me that I can't just spray them down with rubber bullets for even attempting to do it.

All in all, interaction / role play takes two to tango. If one side isn't willing, it really isn't possible...

I would much rather try and roleplay my way out of it. Most officers depending on their mood are very forgiving however it's the odd few that ruin it for me. A few days ago a certain PC attempted to bribe someone for their name (Name to keep rifle) the name was provided then the officer said: "Unfortunately that was a lie". It's these moments that make me want to whip my gun out and flip the situation upside down. 

The high ranking officers can make a situation a lot more interesting from RP and will usually make some good deals with you, but a gunfight every once in a while does need to happen to fulfill those umm... you know?

Something a lot of people don't realize is that complying to something like a robbery or a PC results in you ending better than trying to take them out. If you lose trying to counter it they will usually scrap your vehicle, and clear your gear. Whereas complying they will take what they came for if that's the truck go do what you need to do and ditch it.

 

[FergusW]

A few days ago a certain PC attempted to bribe someone for their name (Name to keep rifle) the name was provided then the officer said: "Unfortunately that was a lie".

 

[Dredd]

People don't like having their shit taken, its a game and you spend time doing things for it to be taken by a usually unforgiving cop. I personally, still try to stay out of harm's way and "usually" accept the shit hole I have dug myself. At the end of the day though its a game we play, not real life and won't even be, so comparing outcomes and mechanics to real life movement is in some parts valid but generally completely pointless. I love the platform and the interaction but I think some us need to realise that you cant pretend to "play" real life from behind a desk. 

Nobody is forcing you to 'play real life', but this server is plugged as a serious role play community and zig zagging and doing laps around people while they speak to you isn't serious role play. This could cause me some bother, but if that's not what you want, you're probably in the wrong place.

 

[SI Ali Barber]

Nobody is forcing you to 'play real life', but this server is plugged as a serious role play community and zig zagging and doing laps around people while they speak to you isn't serious role play. This could cause me some bother, but if that's not what you want, you're probably in the wrong place.





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I am not one of these "frag" orientated dickheads that roam the server with their 7.62 DMR'S, im saying that you cant have real life in a game, I dont zig zag and Dpi glitch but its a game and in every single game where there has ever been a gun, when you get shot at you zigzag to avoid getting shot. Its a mechanic and to please you "real life" players, would you run or dodge into cover and out the way on someone spraying at you??!?!

Now to stop anymore derailment to the "fraggy" player topic, maybe we can get back to how we feel about the initiation and player meta that has come about recently.