In-game Name
LCpl. Reiss.
Steam ID
76561197976138291
The date of your ban.
03/20/2017
Member of the team that banned you.
Long Beard
Reason given for your ban.
RDM
The Server you initially were banned on.
Server 1
In your own words, please type why you think you were banned.
I was banned for breaking rule 2.2. This rule is RDM which stands for Random Deathmatch. This occurs when you shoot at someone without engaging in any form of high quality roleplay. This can be for a range of reason such as not giving them enough time to comply, or not providing a standard of roleplay which is acceptable before shooting the person.
The report against me: https://www.roleplay.co.uk/topic/91928-report-a-player-reiss-rdm-action-taken/
In this report I was banned as I shot TheWarir without providing any sort of valid initiation nor roleplay which was sufficient to result in me shooting him.
Why should we unban you ?
Overall the situation was confusing from my point of view. Me and Reece were off duty from the UNMC and decided to roleplay as robots, we wanted to have a bit of fun and have a break from our duties in the UNMC. Reece was named Robo Reece and I was named Battledroid. We had previously been in a situation where we stole an orca, and while we were coming into land at the airport in front of the old ARAC compound where we disabled the orca. Then we ran towards the RBA as we heard some shots going on and trying to find out what was happening, I then found a quilian and started to drive around. Suddenly Reece started taking shots to the leg and he placed his hands on the head. We were both very confused at this point as we didn’t understand why we are being fired upon. I believe the shots were also towards near me. As you can see in the video we both thought someone was attempting to RDM us. I saw the shots coming from the HM looking building so I proceeded to go over there to find out what was going on. As you can hear in the video when I entered the building I did ask what he was doing etc, as I said myself and Reece believed we were getting RDM’d / had been mistaken for someone else. But regardless if we have taken shots and damage we are now in an active gunfight and anybody with a firearm out is deemed a threat, TheWarir didn’t have his weapon on his back and had previously been threatening towards me. The guy was taking cover in an aggressive stance with his rifle, when I entered the room. You must also remember that TheWarir did not inform me as to who they were in an active gunfight with, so I couldn’t just assume they were involved with just police or just rebels, now if they had been in a fight with rebels obviously they could’ve shot me straight away, however, the circumstance could have escalated since I was in the room with him.
He informed me he was in a gunfight, however at this point Reece and I had already taken shots.
Now they had told us this after we had taken shots, so how was I supposed to know whether in actual fact they had been shooting at us all along and had just not realised it was me inside the building and so leading to TheWarir not shooting me.
Being confused in the situation I thought that they were actually trying to kill us. As in any situation where someone attempts to RDM you, you would shoot back hence why I made a massive mistake. The guy told me he was going to knock me out and stuff if I didn’t leave the area. In the heat of the situation I thought I had found the guy who not only attempted to kill Reece but also kill myself. Hence why I pushed and and then proceeded to shoot him. Generally when its Rebel vs Rebel combat, anyone who is armed with a gun in the area and is proceeded a threat. As there isn’t any uniform to show who people are. It turns out that TheWarir was actually in a gunfight with the police, to which there was a huge confusion as there was a dead UNMC member near TheWarir.
In regards to Reece being shot at whilst his hands were up - now you wouldn’t expect this from ANY police officer, so you’ll have to forgive me for thinking that it wouldn’t / would be highly unlikely that the faction engaging on us would be the police. It is possible yes, but like SI Long Beard said and I quote ‘ Adrenaline, tunnel vision and battlefield confusion all make people do silly things in the heat of the moment.’ Now I could use this as the same excuse. We were under fire, we didn’t know who from, HOWEVER, I do not believe that it is ‘silly’ to assume that the person shooting a rebel who has his hands on his head is in fact another rebel rather than a police officer, for obvious reasons.
Now look at it from my perspective.
I’m in a room with an armed rebel who has to somewhat extent threatened me, my mate is now under fire and for obvious reasons we believe it to be rebels as we didn’t know that police were involved but I had been given information that TheWarir was in a gunfight. Now i’ve ran out onto the balcony, heart racing thinking ‘shit these guys are shooting at Reece, i’ll probably be shot next’ So I put all of the information I have into one and, in the heat of the moment, I take cover, withdraw my weapon and shoot.
We are in an active gunfight, there is an armed rebel who is not with myself who has just claimed to be in an active gunfight. I cannot personally see why my actions were not justified in this case.
Now one point i'd like to make out. You can see that there is a dead UNMC member in front of TheWarir.
I had a slight feeling they maybe in a gunfight with the UNMC, and due to us being ‘off duty’ but still being able to see hexagons etc there is NO way a UNMC member would’ve shot at us as we both had GPS’ equipt. So UNMC shooting at us would be an almost definitive no, with the unlikelihood of the police opening fire on a man with his hands above his head I believed I had enough probable cause and justification to shoot TheWarir.
There will be times with everyone where you are not entirely sure about the situation and have to assume. It happens in all factions. There are times when the police open fire on people who aren’t involved but it is seen as ‘well it’s unlucky, there was an active fire fight and you were caught in crossfire / you were just unfortunate.’ I don’t see this as being any different.
I’m going to attempt to paraphrase my thoughts and what’s going on in my head during the situation as easily as possible.
We turn up to the area and start taking shots. Reece is hit, I run into the building. We have NO idea about what is happening, is it police? Is it rebels? Are we being RDM’d? In this case it seems like RDM at the beginning. I walk into the room after saying ‘hey buddy what are you doing?’ and receive no reply. I open the door, i’m told I must leave as they are in an active gunfight, i’m threatened with being knocked out and i’ve been verbally abused. ‘Douchebag’. The only people / person in the area I can see and also confirm that are in a gunfight is TheWarir. He has physically told me this.
I agree that whilst Reece was shot when I was with TheWarir it was obvious that he was not the one shooting at that particular moment, but in the time I had to make a decision it wasn’t enough for me to question him about who was shooting and perhaps I made a rash decision. I could’ve done better, but it is SO easy to think about what you should’ve done after the incident as you know how it played out. There are so many scenarios that you can think up and write about but you have to remember that at the time it is taking place the whole situation can be somewhat of a blur and a ‘mess’.
What I could’ve done better?
I believe I could’ve attempted to roleplay more but I equally don’t think much more could’ve been done on my behalf. As I had been shot at along with Reece I could have in theory, in my eyes at least, opened fire on TheWarir as soon as I entered the room and saw him taking cover with his firearm due to it being an active gunfight where we was in our opinion RDM, however I did not and did attempt to give him some RP to find out what was going on prior to me entering the room as you can hear in his video. I attempted to roleplay but was told immediately to “fuck off.” I left the room and he proceeded to tell me if I don’t leave the area he will fucking… fucking… fucking knock me out, in the heat of the situation and even listening in the recording all I saw after being shot at was a man with a gun aimed at me, being hostile telling me to leave the area or I would be knocked out. I ran down the balcony when he proceeded to follow me. Yes I could’ve maybe just left the area and let the situation blow over, but in this situation we thought we was being RDM. So I when I saw him following me with the rifle out, being in an active gunfight to which I thought was this man at the time I killed him. Identifying who was shooting when you are being RDM’d from a distance is hard, and in this case it was a complete mistake that the fact I saw this man and killed him when informing me to leave the fucking area as he was in an acitive gunfight. I do deeply apologise for what happened and causing TheWarir to be killed when it wasn’t him. However I hope we all understand that I was only trying to stop what we thought an RDM.
If i’m unbanned then I think from now on I’m going to focus on my position in the UNMC as I had made great progress to get where I am, I will no longer go off duty as the confusion it can cause, and focus more on the RP within the UNMC Side of things such as patrolling our part of the island. I also know if i do get unbanned this would be the final straw and if i managed to mess up a final time that would be it for me and that's definitely not what i want because i do enjoy playing on this server.
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LCpl. Reiss.
Steam ID
76561197976138291
The date of your ban.
03/20/2017
Member of the team that banned you.
Long Beard
Reason given for your ban.
RDM
The Server you initially were banned on.
Server 1
In your own words, please type why you think you were banned.
I was banned for breaking rule 2.2. This rule is RDM which stands for Random Deathmatch. This occurs when you shoot at someone without engaging in any form of high quality roleplay. This can be for a range of reason such as not giving them enough time to comply, or not providing a standard of roleplay which is acceptable before shooting the person.
The report against me: https://www.roleplay.co.uk/topic/91928-report-a-player-reiss-rdm-action-taken/
In this report I was banned as I shot TheWarir without providing any sort of valid initiation nor roleplay which was sufficient to result in me shooting him.
Why should we unban you ?
Overall the situation was confusing from my point of view. Me and Reece were off duty from the UNMC and decided to roleplay as robots, we wanted to have a bit of fun and have a break from our duties in the UNMC. Reece was named Robo Reece and I was named Battledroid. We had previously been in a situation where we stole an orca, and while we were coming into land at the airport in front of the old ARAC compound where we disabled the orca. Then we ran towards the RBA as we heard some shots going on and trying to find out what was happening, I then found a quilian and started to drive around. Suddenly Reece started taking shots to the leg and he placed his hands on the head. We were both very confused at this point as we didn’t understand why we are being fired upon. I believe the shots were also towards near me. As you can see in the video we both thought someone was attempting to RDM us. I saw the shots coming from the HM looking building so I proceeded to go over there to find out what was going on. As you can hear in the video when I entered the building I did ask what he was doing etc, as I said myself and Reece believed we were getting RDM’d / had been mistaken for someone else. But regardless if we have taken shots and damage we are now in an active gunfight and anybody with a firearm out is deemed a threat, TheWarir didn’t have his weapon on his back and had previously been threatening towards me. The guy was taking cover in an aggressive stance with his rifle, when I entered the room. You must also remember that TheWarir did not inform me as to who they were in an active gunfight with, so I couldn’t just assume they were involved with just police or just rebels, now if they had been in a fight with rebels obviously they could’ve shot me straight away, however, the circumstance could have escalated since I was in the room with him.
He informed me he was in a gunfight, however at this point Reece and I had already taken shots.
Now they had told us this after we had taken shots, so how was I supposed to know whether in actual fact they had been shooting at us all along and had just not realised it was me inside the building and so leading to TheWarir not shooting me.
Being confused in the situation I thought that they were actually trying to kill us. As in any situation where someone attempts to RDM you, you would shoot back hence why I made a massive mistake. The guy told me he was going to knock me out and stuff if I didn’t leave the area. In the heat of the situation I thought I had found the guy who not only attempted to kill Reece but also kill myself. Hence why I pushed and and then proceeded to shoot him. Generally when its Rebel vs Rebel combat, anyone who is armed with a gun in the area and is proceeded a threat. As there isn’t any uniform to show who people are. It turns out that TheWarir was actually in a gunfight with the police, to which there was a huge confusion as there was a dead UNMC member near TheWarir.
In regards to Reece being shot at whilst his hands were up - now you wouldn’t expect this from ANY police officer, so you’ll have to forgive me for thinking that it wouldn’t / would be highly unlikely that the faction engaging on us would be the police. It is possible yes, but like SI Long Beard said and I quote ‘ Adrenaline, tunnel vision and battlefield confusion all make people do silly things in the heat of the moment.’ Now I could use this as the same excuse. We were under fire, we didn’t know who from, HOWEVER, I do not believe that it is ‘silly’ to assume that the person shooting a rebel who has his hands on his head is in fact another rebel rather than a police officer, for obvious reasons.
Now look at it from my perspective.
I’m in a room with an armed rebel who has to somewhat extent threatened me, my mate is now under fire and for obvious reasons we believe it to be rebels as we didn’t know that police were involved but I had been given information that TheWarir was in a gunfight. Now i’ve ran out onto the balcony, heart racing thinking ‘shit these guys are shooting at Reece, i’ll probably be shot next’ So I put all of the information I have into one and, in the heat of the moment, I take cover, withdraw my weapon and shoot.
We are in an active gunfight, there is an armed rebel who is not with myself who has just claimed to be in an active gunfight. I cannot personally see why my actions were not justified in this case.
Now one point i'd like to make out. You can see that there is a dead UNMC member in front of TheWarir.
I had a slight feeling they maybe in a gunfight with the UNMC, and due to us being ‘off duty’ but still being able to see hexagons etc there is NO way a UNMC member would’ve shot at us as we both had GPS’ equipt. So UNMC shooting at us would be an almost definitive no, with the unlikelihood of the police opening fire on a man with his hands above his head I believed I had enough probable cause and justification to shoot TheWarir.
There will be times with everyone where you are not entirely sure about the situation and have to assume. It happens in all factions. There are times when the police open fire on people who aren’t involved but it is seen as ‘well it’s unlucky, there was an active fire fight and you were caught in crossfire / you were just unfortunate.’ I don’t see this as being any different.
I’m going to attempt to paraphrase my thoughts and what’s going on in my head during the situation as easily as possible.
We turn up to the area and start taking shots. Reece is hit, I run into the building. We have NO idea about what is happening, is it police? Is it rebels? Are we being RDM’d? In this case it seems like RDM at the beginning. I walk into the room after saying ‘hey buddy what are you doing?’ and receive no reply. I open the door, i’m told I must leave as they are in an active gunfight, i’m threatened with being knocked out and i’ve been verbally abused. ‘Douchebag’. The only people / person in the area I can see and also confirm that are in a gunfight is TheWarir. He has physically told me this.
I agree that whilst Reece was shot when I was with TheWarir it was obvious that he was not the one shooting at that particular moment, but in the time I had to make a decision it wasn’t enough for me to question him about who was shooting and perhaps I made a rash decision. I could’ve done better, but it is SO easy to think about what you should’ve done after the incident as you know how it played out. There are so many scenarios that you can think up and write about but you have to remember that at the time it is taking place the whole situation can be somewhat of a blur and a ‘mess’.
What I could’ve done better?
I believe I could’ve attempted to roleplay more but I equally don’t think much more could’ve been done on my behalf. As I had been shot at along with Reece I could have in theory, in my eyes at least, opened fire on TheWarir as soon as I entered the room and saw him taking cover with his firearm due to it being an active gunfight where we was in our opinion RDM, however I did not and did attempt to give him some RP to find out what was going on prior to me entering the room as you can hear in his video. I attempted to roleplay but was told immediately to “fuck off.” I left the room and he proceeded to tell me if I don’t leave the area he will fucking… fucking… fucking knock me out, in the heat of the situation and even listening in the recording all I saw after being shot at was a man with a gun aimed at me, being hostile telling me to leave the area or I would be knocked out. I ran down the balcony when he proceeded to follow me. Yes I could’ve maybe just left the area and let the situation blow over, but in this situation we thought we was being RDM. So I when I saw him following me with the rifle out, being in an active gunfight to which I thought was this man at the time I killed him. Identifying who was shooting when you are being RDM’d from a distance is hard, and in this case it was a complete mistake that the fact I saw this man and killed him when informing me to leave the fucking area as he was in an acitive gunfight. I do deeply apologise for what happened and causing TheWarir to be killed when it wasn’t him. However I hope we all understand that I was only trying to stop what we thought an RDM.
If i’m unbanned then I think from now on I’m going to focus on my position in the UNMC as I had made great progress to get where I am, I will no longer go off duty as the confusion it can cause, and focus more on the RP within the UNMC Side of things such as patrolling our part of the island. I also know if i do get unbanned this would be the final straw and if i managed to mess up a final time that would be it for me and that's definitely not what i want because i do enjoy playing on this server.
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