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What's the biggest issue you have with the Police
- Thread starter LastNickLeft
- Start date
- Location
- Local Trashcan
Our biggest issue with you.... You keep leaving...
I will post here from my police holiday perceptive... PCSO, PCs and SPCs live and die by the handbook, REGARDLESS of how much RP they get. I RPed for a solid 30 minutes with 2 PCs and they had no ground to arrest me as I was at WilcoChem. They then went to Meth Lab and set up and when I turned up they popped out and I started RPing again. Same story but I'd advanced it creatively. Anyways, After another 10-15 minutes of RP, they get in restraints as they wanted to search my truck. I said sure, they then search me and find my MX. Something that hadn't been used at all in RP. I then went full on with RP trying to say how the gun is dear to me, It's unloaded and It's the same weapon I went to war with and they were like "NOPE. IT'S ILLEGAL WE TAKE, PLS PAY TICKET".
So all in all, ~90 minutes of RP with the same outcome as straight up 2 minutes of ruleplay. Yes I took the loss as sometimes you lose in RP but when it's a complete waste of time for me to RP then it becomes triggering...I might as well just initiated on them fragged them and I would have had a better outcome...
Academy need to teach PCSO that it's OKAY to let someone with a gun go provided good RP is present.
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Anonymous Capybara1
Guest
To be honest, I totally agree here. I often find myself suppressed with doubting my actions, and think being slightly chilled, but not reckless, could be very good advice to many members of the police force.
Rossss
The Flying Scotsman
- Location
- Scotland
The issue is much deeper than that though...
Rebels know they can wave their guns about and easily outgun the police, so they do it. They don't care about roleplay, just shoot them if they try and take it off them. None of this "hiding your gun" bullshit, that's too difficult, it doesn't fit in my bag!
I'd much rather ignore it than get some "high quality roleplay" off some rebel gang
Same applied to trucks with drugs at the drug dealer
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The Apple Prince
left.
- Location
- London
Rossss
The Flying Scotsman
- Location
- Scotland
The Apple Prince
left.
- Location
- London
cars are op, have a car in gz and just keep your weapons in there? out of reach frome everyone else to rob?
Thats the beauty of backpacking, it takes skill. You need to make sure no-one sees you backpack it/ have a gun before, beacuse if they do they'll rob you. You need to make sure that police aren't onto you, because once again, they might try to take it off you whilst its in your backpack.
I miss backpacking my mxm and then getting robbed by a hobo the second i do
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ThatScottishGuy
Well-known member
- Location
- Glasgow
There are times where i have just spawned in and i'm running to the garage with my 7.62 on my back. There are times where it is not possible to hide it. In response to the OP. My biggest issue with the police is that the focus on roleplay is drifting to an ever lower standard. As a rebel it is near impossible to RP your way out of something, im not saying all rebels RP is good and I have been guilty of the "friend in the area scenario", it seems like most of the lower ranks want to just arrest you or remove your weapon and the higher ranks/ AR just want to kill.
YoCo
Master Criminal
- Location
- London
Scott1sh
Banned
"Friendship Groups"
Both time i was in police i seen this all too often, especially higher ranks who are locked in channel with a select few not bothering with the majority.
Getting ranked up or in specialised units was easier and more common place because of who you were pals with and not the amount of time or hard work you put in.
Both time i was in police i seen this all too often, especially higher ranks who are locked in channel with a select few not bothering with the majority.
Getting ranked up or in specialised units was easier and more common place because of who you were pals with and not the amount of time or hard work you put in.
- Location
- London
Astarith
Well-known member
- Location
- the north pole
Well im not to sure there are bad cops and good cops i mean today when i was online throughout the day i got pulled over twice the first cop said i was driving on the wrong side of the road which was the right then later that day i got pulled over for driving on the left.
Boston Broiler
Banned
Theres a few issues I have with the Police at the moment;
Gear hand outs;
I think a lot of people on the server are being frustrated at the moment due to the fact that high end or AR cop gear is being given out to the lowest of ranks who typically aren't authorised to be using lethal weapons yet are constantly running around with MK1's or MK18s which are for Rebels very expensive guns which a load out can cost anywhere from 400-900k+ and that amount of money takes some people an hour to farm yet low ranked officers are handed them out for free with what isn't a real reason for them to have them and its ruining the dynamic of the game as for myself personally seeing AR turn up honestly means nothing to me, you don't get that excitement of knowing someone with a potentially higher calibre or more powerful gun is about to hop out of an armoured vehicle and potentially kill you or give you a run for your money because there's a guy with a bright blue jumper in an open field painting the wall around you with infinite rounds and it removes a lot of the excitement whilst in a gun fight.
Friends within the Police:
There are cops who are seen by other off duty cops and this is a follow on from my last point, who are witnessed with illegal items or vehicles and due to them knowing each other out of the server or in the server via white list grouping how ever you want to look at it and they are not dealing with off duty cops the same as they are dealing with citizens or rebel gangs and its pretty unfair seeing this happen. Then there are cops who are only being given verbal warnings or nothing at all because high up cops who witness their friends breaking laws or getting complaints are friends with the officers involved. (This has nothing to do with the PCC I placed the other day that was purely for RP purposes and all involved I have no personal issues or grudges with)
Infinite gear:
The Police have no value for items in game, they get given everything for free and get a fairly decent wage which just racks up as they dont typically spend it on anything (I know some cops buy things like defibs etc and help dying citizens and that doesn't go un-noticed) so they just rush into battle with no value for their lives at all and once they die they just re-spawn, re-gear and rush back into battle to start again and some gun fights such as HM or gang raids which go on for sometimes over an hour the same cops are coming back fully geared with no repercussions at all, I understand rebels may do this or re gear and go somewhere else where the gun fight may later resume, but for rebels they actually lose something and most rebels buy what they can at the time afford weather its a 6.5, a Mk18 or a weapon from Daves so they're losing value, cops don't they might get a telling off from a higher up but thats all, I feel cops to some extent should have to buy guns over a certain calibre from the money they get via patrolling which would be easily feasible.
Low quality RP from gun fights:
Typically I experience this from the AR guys, the other day I went down in a fight in a safe location for the cops in a clear out building (I'm not a shitter I promise I got rushed by many) and when down a CSO and PC role played with me and built up a back story of how they recognise my voice and thought they knew me and built a general story of how I should not have joined the rebel life and they were going to get me blood and save me, two AR guys came in, ignored the cops didn't offer any help towards me (why should they) and didn't offer any input towards the situation, I would have been happy with, 'He shot at our officers, leave him to die' and if everyone left the room then thats perfectly fine, yet they ignored everyone which just shows the quality of roleplay from some of the cops/AR guys and leads me to believe that they're purely there for the gun fight.
'Hop on's' for gun fights:
I'm seeing more and more of people joining the server when gun fights are happening in specific locations other than HM where cops are clearly told there's a large gun fight and I guess they're asking others for help so fair enough they come on, but the problem is once they die, they just go off again and that's that which isn't something I expect from a high quality role play community especially not from a white list faction... I witnessed someone join the other day and die within 5 minutes, bleed out and instantly leave, then do the same again 15 minutes later and it just for me loses so much respect for the faction.
Lawless state:
From what I've essentially been told recently by higher up cops is that cops can use what ever guns or vehicles they want even if they are scrap on site vehicles so long as they have a purpose no matter what it is and this is just a form of corruption and defeats the whole purpose of everything as before mentioned and if this is coming from the top then the shit will essentially just roll down hill and those joining the force will start with this mentality.
Baiting for gun fights:
I'm seeing this happen pretty much every time I go onto the server, cops are surrounding gangs of players who have done nothing and just driving around them in circles not saying anything or doing anything with their friends very very clearly setting up in the distances before anything has even been done until a rebel will initiate on them because he will have gotten to the stage where hes had enough then a gun fight kicks off which can go on forever, its pointless and limits roleplay if you're that eager to shoot or get shot then just go play on a death match server.
Returning to gang bases after restart:
Gun fights like mentioned already can go on forever sometimes, then finally a restart will happen and the rebels will go back to their base, re-gear and get ready to leave when cops are setting up again and one officers turned up and telling everyone to put their hands on their heads because of guns etc, which he knows won't happen and the gun fight kicks off again, its limiting roleplay entirely which is what everyone is here for and turning areas into mini red zones at times resulting in cops shooting people who aren't even involved sometimes or due to the amount of cops and rebels don't even get a chance to realise whats happening before being shot at or killed.
Not valuing their lives:
Cops are not showing any value for their lives because why would they? Their gear is free, they've essentially got nothing to lose so when like the other day a PC had 6 rebels in front of him and he knew there were at least 8 more surrounding the area he continues to threaten to taser me, then after being told to value his safely and his life more within roleplay he straight up tells me he puts his badge before his life and shouts hands up or ill rubber you, misses every shot after being told numerous times if he does it he will be killed by a large number of armed guys, then gets shot and finishes himself off as soon as possible.
There are a few things bugging me as stated above most of which can be VERY easily fixed but I feel the most important is making Police have to pay for their gear or pay for higher tier gear at least if they need or want it to prevent them from willingly giving it all away.
Gear hand outs;
I think a lot of people on the server are being frustrated at the moment due to the fact that high end or AR cop gear is being given out to the lowest of ranks who typically aren't authorised to be using lethal weapons yet are constantly running around with MK1's or MK18s which are for Rebels very expensive guns which a load out can cost anywhere from 400-900k+ and that amount of money takes some people an hour to farm yet low ranked officers are handed them out for free with what isn't a real reason for them to have them and its ruining the dynamic of the game as for myself personally seeing AR turn up honestly means nothing to me, you don't get that excitement of knowing someone with a potentially higher calibre or more powerful gun is about to hop out of an armoured vehicle and potentially kill you or give you a run for your money because there's a guy with a bright blue jumper in an open field painting the wall around you with infinite rounds and it removes a lot of the excitement whilst in a gun fight.
Friends within the Police:
There are cops who are seen by other off duty cops and this is a follow on from my last point, who are witnessed with illegal items or vehicles and due to them knowing each other out of the server or in the server via white list grouping how ever you want to look at it and they are not dealing with off duty cops the same as they are dealing with citizens or rebel gangs and its pretty unfair seeing this happen. Then there are cops who are only being given verbal warnings or nothing at all because high up cops who witness their friends breaking laws or getting complaints are friends with the officers involved. (This has nothing to do with the PCC I placed the other day that was purely for RP purposes and all involved I have no personal issues or grudges with)
Infinite gear:
The Police have no value for items in game, they get given everything for free and get a fairly decent wage which just racks up as they dont typically spend it on anything (I know some cops buy things like defibs etc and help dying citizens and that doesn't go un-noticed) so they just rush into battle with no value for their lives at all and once they die they just re-spawn, re-gear and rush back into battle to start again and some gun fights such as HM or gang raids which go on for sometimes over an hour the same cops are coming back fully geared with no repercussions at all, I understand rebels may do this or re gear and go somewhere else where the gun fight may later resume, but for rebels they actually lose something and most rebels buy what they can at the time afford weather its a 6.5, a Mk18 or a weapon from Daves so they're losing value, cops don't they might get a telling off from a higher up but thats all, I feel cops to some extent should have to buy guns over a certain calibre from the money they get via patrolling which would be easily feasible.
Low quality RP from gun fights:
Typically I experience this from the AR guys, the other day I went down in a fight in a safe location for the cops in a clear out building (I'm not a shitter I promise I got rushed by many) and when down a CSO and PC role played with me and built up a back story of how they recognise my voice and thought they knew me and built a general story of how I should not have joined the rebel life and they were going to get me blood and save me, two AR guys came in, ignored the cops didn't offer any help towards me (why should they) and didn't offer any input towards the situation, I would have been happy with, 'He shot at our officers, leave him to die' and if everyone left the room then thats perfectly fine, yet they ignored everyone which just shows the quality of roleplay from some of the cops/AR guys and leads me to believe that they're purely there for the gun fight.
'Hop on's' for gun fights:
I'm seeing more and more of people joining the server when gun fights are happening in specific locations other than HM where cops are clearly told there's a large gun fight and I guess they're asking others for help so fair enough they come on, but the problem is once they die, they just go off again and that's that which isn't something I expect from a high quality role play community especially not from a white list faction... I witnessed someone join the other day and die within 5 minutes, bleed out and instantly leave, then do the same again 15 minutes later and it just for me loses so much respect for the faction.
Lawless state:
From what I've essentially been told recently by higher up cops is that cops can use what ever guns or vehicles they want even if they are scrap on site vehicles so long as they have a purpose no matter what it is and this is just a form of corruption and defeats the whole purpose of everything as before mentioned and if this is coming from the top then the shit will essentially just roll down hill and those joining the force will start with this mentality.
Baiting for gun fights:
I'm seeing this happen pretty much every time I go onto the server, cops are surrounding gangs of players who have done nothing and just driving around them in circles not saying anything or doing anything with their friends very very clearly setting up in the distances before anything has even been done until a rebel will initiate on them because he will have gotten to the stage where hes had enough then a gun fight kicks off which can go on forever, its pointless and limits roleplay if you're that eager to shoot or get shot then just go play on a death match server.
Returning to gang bases after restart:
Gun fights like mentioned already can go on forever sometimes, then finally a restart will happen and the rebels will go back to their base, re-gear and get ready to leave when cops are setting up again and one officers turned up and telling everyone to put their hands on their heads because of guns etc, which he knows won't happen and the gun fight kicks off again, its limiting roleplay entirely which is what everyone is here for and turning areas into mini red zones at times resulting in cops shooting people who aren't even involved sometimes or due to the amount of cops and rebels don't even get a chance to realise whats happening before being shot at or killed.
Not valuing their lives:
Cops are not showing any value for their lives because why would they? Their gear is free, they've essentially got nothing to lose so when like the other day a PC had 6 rebels in front of him and he knew there were at least 8 more surrounding the area he continues to threaten to taser me, then after being told to value his safely and his life more within roleplay he straight up tells me he puts his badge before his life and shouts hands up or ill rubber you, misses every shot after being told numerous times if he does it he will be killed by a large number of armed guys, then gets shot and finishes himself off as soon as possible.
There are a few things bugging me as stated above most of which can be VERY easily fixed but I feel the most important is making Police have to pay for their gear or pay for higher tier gear at least if they need or want it to prevent them from willingly giving it all away.
Ronald Strauss
Well-known member
- Location
- The Netherlands
Infinite ‘free’ gear
A Rebel or Citizens has the ability to do whatever they wanna do, they can choose what kind of roleplay they would like to get themselves involved in today, how many gunfights they would like to create or receive. How many situations with Law Enforcement they would like to have. What vehicles they would like to drive around in, how many citizens they would like to harsh today.
As a Police Officer myself I have to respond to hundreds of situations during a single patrol. Dispatches, Emergency situations, NHS requests, RTA (Road Traffic Accidents), we don't have the luxury to choose our roleplay, we accept and adapt to the situation which is given to us. Yeah sure, we receive some free gear (which is usually only 5.56 caliber), which in most situation doesn’t perform well enough to ensure the safety of the citizens on the island. Only DSGT+ and specialized units have access to some decent equipment to match the firepower of today’s Rebels.
Also another situation which already happened to me several times. I’m patrolling the streets as a ‘Road Traffic Officer’, in the distance I notice a RTA (Road Traffic Accident), 2 citizens are involved and require medical attention. I provide them with some first aid, check if they have a broken neck or spine. Request an ambulance to the situation to deal with the issue. While waiting for that ambulance to arrive, I start a conversation with both citizens, Where do you live? Do you have family or friends on the island that should be notified about your medical state? However those situation are constantly being interrupted by Rebels who use that opportunity to either harsh the officer, take him hostage or steal his equipment. By doing that you are basically destroying the whole RP situation for the officer and the downed citizens.
I have to watch my back every second of the day. Honestly I suggest you either join the Altis Police Department for a while or join them on several ride-alongs, and I guarantee that you will see my point.
Lawless state:
Recently I’ve arrested a follow Police Officers (Off-Duty) who was walking around with a MX 6.5mm (All attachments). He was charged with the possession of a Illegal firearm, which you can find underneath the ‘Firearms Act 1968’. After he was transported to the H.M. Prison, his constabulary command was informed about his arrest and actions were taken against the colleague.
‘Baiting’ Rebels/Citizens to receive a gunfight.
I highly doubt that these rebels/citizens haven’t done anything, as you stated. Usually the cops have already ANPR’ed that vehicle before. That system revealed that the owner is currently being searched for crimes he committed somewhere on the island. Or they might have been seen before, walking around with prohibited firearms. Obviously the Police Officers involved are assessing the situation from a distance, requesting some additional assistance for their own protection (If the suspects are known for carrying around firearms, due to some crimes they committed). Basically the Police Officers are valuing their lives in this situation.
I would even dare to say it’s the other way around, I’ve seen it time and time again that Rebels walk through Kavala with their guns still on their backs (Usually 7.62 caliber) which doesn’t fit in a backpack, fair enough… Why would you take that firearm to Kavala in the first place. You know it’s crowded with Law Enforcement units. If they ignore your firearm, I wouldn’t be surprised that within a minute, citizens will be walking up towards that Police Officer asking him why he isn’t dealing with that illegal firearm on your back.
1. Making 'Police Equipment' cost money isn't going to fix the issue. It's only going to make it even easier for Rebels to rain havoc across the island. New players are already being harassed on their Legal runs. We are already being flooded with Dispatches of large groups making it extremely difficult for newer player.
2. Some of your issues seem to be with individual Police Officers who didn't supply you with quality RP or didn't value their lives. Contact them individually and talk with them about it. Not happy with their response? Write a PCC and the Police Command will deal with your issue. Don't just accuse the whole force of something which was done by a single Officer.
Obviously our opinion(s) might be different on certain subjects. However I strongly advice that you approach it from our perspective as well. I'll happily take you on several ridealongs to show you how difficult our job is on the island.
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James Travers
Travers
- Location
- Republic of Ireland
Hammah
Well-known member
- Location
- Manchester
Tbh I usually don't hide my weapons away in my car if they don't fit in my bag just because of how often I've been kicked off with my gun being in a car. It's not always about being able to win against the police either, some of us still do it even when we have no friends online
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Vinny McGraw
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- Location
- North East, United Kingdom
It's next to impossible to roleplay with high ranking officers such as people in Armed Response. They are the sorta guys who wait until you initiate on their life and are desparate for a gunfight. "SIR IS THAT A THREAT TO MY LIFE???"