Change is needed and the floor is open

[GHOSTK1LL3R]

it did yesterday when there was 22 poseidon doing bank against 16 cops ^^

when the community wants more rebels but then the community want to also keep 40 cops and 25 Posideon slots that always get 80% filled.

Good gang life with 7 man gangs...

 

[Snowball]

There are way too many Poseidon members? Am i right? 
-A more rebel/Cops balanced playstyle. Maybe cut the amount of members to 10-15 instead? Just a suggestion. 

Regards,,,,,

 

[Simon Ross]

There are way too many Poseidon members? Am i right? 
-A more rebel/Cops balanced playstyle. Maybe cut the amount of members to 10-15 instead? Just a suggestion. 

Regards,,,,,

Yes please - maximum of 10 Poseidon online at a time

That way casino is gonna be the safest place on the server 

or let’s make it 9 and then the only thing of Poseidon which can be robbed are the fuel stations - yes let’s go with 9 as that is only one less than 10 and even more fun for the cartel

 

[Aethon]

Yes please - maximum of 10 Poseidon online at a time

That way casino is gonna be the safest place on the server 

or let’s make it 9 and then the only thing of Poseidon which can be robbed are the fuel stations - yes let’s go with 9 as that is only one less than 10 and even more fun for the cartel

15 is too little, but I'd be fine with 25 cops and 25 poseidon max

 

[Frisky Hen]

Could we try removing the security checks on new Team Speak visitors - no new player will wait 45 minutes to chat - not even for me! (JK)

Apologies if this has already been done.

Are you still on this server George? I need a sincere reason to never return ..

PS: Hope you got your urinal sorted! Be sure to come back to Dublin before Boris takes all the aeroplane keys! 

 

[Bowen]

Simple reason not to remove poseidon.... if we were removed, odds are 90% of us would just end up in a gang together anyway.... so you will end up with the same thing but with less restrictions. for example, we cant just rob people for no reason as poseidon, we could as rebels, we limit ourselves (usually) to so many HMs, ARs, etc a week, no need to as rebel! Our guns are limited by rank, anyone for a 30 strong gang with no restrictions who can use MK1s and ifrits 24 7?

 

[GHOSTK1LL3R]

Simple reason not to remove poseidon.... if we were removed, odds are 90% of us would just end up in a gang together anyway.... so you will end up with the same thing but with less restrictions. for example, we cant just rob people for no reason as poseidon, we could as rebels, we limit ourselves (usually) to so many HMs, ARs, etc a week, no need to as rebel! Our guns are limited by rank, anyone for a 30 strong gang with no restrictions who can use MK1s and ifrits 24 7?

good, be a gang.

 

[Bowen]

good, be a gang.

how would that solve anything though? my point is, we like being Poseidon and to remove it would not help the server one little bit.

 

[GHOSTK1LL3R]

how would that solve anything though? my point is, we like being Poseidon and to remove it would not help the server one little bit.

How would that solve anything? Well! Let me go through with you with how Posideon is a rebel gang always however you just get whitlisted perks.

 if we were removed, odds are 90% of us would just end up in a gang together anyway....

Sounds amazing, you can then experience rebel life where you don't have the following perks:

- 50k ifrits (lol), don't care if you lose them because they cost nothing to you.

- Cheaper weapons

- Spawn in and can instantly buy gear

- As whitelisted faction everyone wants to join you so always have 15 people on. 

- Full NVG's, anyone who is good can easily get in the flying command

- Around 60% of people when you're on can actually get mk-1's or silenced promets.  Also due to hierarchy , loads of people now are near the top and thus get what-ever they want.

- Mar-10 for benching, literally was at Laundery and one of your Lobos was MAR-10'ing us. He was the only Posideon member there.

- Have your houses right next to where you spawn. LOL good joke this one is!!!

- 2/3rd rank get 100 round weapons. Love it!

- LRPS's

- Cheap Taru's & Blackfishes. You literally don't care about losing them so you abuse them as much as possible and play stupid with them because you can!

- Invisible backpacks. Means you are not obvious when hiding in bushes etc. 

Need I go on for the perks you get in Posideon over a rebel gang?

so you will end up with the same thing but with less restrictions. for example, we cant just rob people for no reason as poseidon,

Oh is that so??!?!? The following two clips are of me spawning in my gangshed (only on the server for like 4mins before that). And you lot flying over, killing us in redzone, reviving me, looting me then killing me again. Yes! You have so many restrictions!

https://plays.tv/video/5dbae27a0625da3afe

https://plays.tv/video/5dbae34b07ca1f517b

Screenshot below is once we successfully did a bank we then had Posideon looking to initiate on us as soon as it finished. Complete joke, fight 20+ cops, then we need to fight another 20+ Posideon? No wonder rebel gangs never do anything on here. I certainly don't blame them.

we could as rebels, we limit ourselves (usually) to so many HMs, ARs, etc a week, no need to as rebel!

I couldn't care less, at-least as rebel you'd be on a fair playing field like every other rebel gang. 

Our guns are limited by rank, anyone for a 30 strong gang with no restrictions who can use MK1s and ifrits 24 7?

Your guns are not limited by your rank, I know for a fact your higher ups drop weapons for lowers in Posideon as I have had friends go through there telling me about it. So don't even give me this, 'restriction' bs.  I would love to see you using mk1's and ifrits 24/7 as a rebel gang.

So to your original point, yes it would help the server. Would mean rebel gangs can actually do shit on here without having to fight 40 cops and 25 Posideon one after another.

 

[Slawek]

- 50k ifrits (lol), don't care if you lose them because they cost nothing to you.

Which also require the person to be a part of a unit with limited slots being a percentage of all poseidon members and passing a test in that unit. Not as simple as going down to the shop.

- Cheaper weapons

True, 2/3 of the prices, tho you are limited in your choice when it comes to weapons based on rank with higher ranks who get better guns being limited in slots.

- Spawn in and can instantly buy gear

With viper that is also possible for rebels, tho i will give you that you don't get the best weapons there.

- As whitelisted faction everyone wants to join you so always have 15 people on. 

Well, then why don't you get a gang with a good rp story and fame rolling and im sure people will want to join.

- Full NVG's, anyone who is good can easily get in the flying command

Limited use on that one, only to be used while piloting the helicopter, also i don't think it is easy to get it considering we have 19 air trained members while having 80 members in total. Oh, and the fail rate on those tests is 60%.

- Around 60% of people when you're on can actually get mk-1's or silenced promets.  Also due to hierarchy , loads of people now are near the top and thus get what-ever they want.

Well, that depends on who is on, obviously if you get lobos on they will have better guns, but for example at the time of writing there are 9 members on, 1 x aksu, 3 x car 95, 2 x car 95-1, 2 x mx sw, 1 mk1, fail to see how that is 60% mk1s and promets. When it comes to those weapons statistically speaking 20% of poseidon + command have those weapons. 

- Mar-10 for benching, literally was at Laundery and one of your Lobos was MAR-10'ing us. He was the only Posideon member there.

Oh i wish we had mar-10, sadly we don't, that's police's AR, if the poseidon guy had one he most likely got it in a SAF drop or an AR cache, same as rebels can.

- Have your houses right next to where you spawn. LOL good joke this one is!!!

And you can buy a house in the central town, you can buy a military tower right next to kavala aswell, your houses are not literally marked for the whole server to know where your group's houses are.

- 2/3rd rank get 100 round weapons. Love it!

So? Most of those are 5.8 mm guns, if some rebel is decent with a 7.62 rifle should not have a huge issue with beating a car 95-1. Also, im pretty sure every rebel who pays 10 mil for advanced can get them too.

- LRPS's

Are we not allowed to have anything better then you do? Also it is locked away behind joining a spec unit by going through open training, then passing 2 tests. Not the easiest thing to do.

- Cheap Taru's & Blackfishes. You literally don't care about losing them so you abuse them as much as possible and play stupid with them because you can!

Look at my point when it comes to getting air trained, also, if someone is seen abusing their aircraft they will be dealt with by the command of either the faction or air training, if you have some evidence feel free to send it to me and i'll deal with it.

- Invisible backpacks. Means you are not obvious when hiding in bushes etc. 

Right, and that's a huge advantage, cuz all we do in firefights is sit in bushes, also, you can get a ghillie suit and your backpack will be invisible aswell.

Your guns are not limited by your rank, I know for a fact your higher ups drop weapons for lowers in Posideon as I have had friends go through there telling me about it.

So your friends "told you" that something is true, that's not an argument, i can say that my friends told me that you dupe zafirs and LRPSs, what does that add to the discussion? If you have evidence, bring it forward, we even have a special sheet for non-rank weapon authorisation, and as of now there have been 18 non-rank weapons authorised since 5/07/2019.

Oh is that so??!?!? The following two clips are of me spawning in my gangshed (only on the server for like 4mins before that). And you lot flying over, killing us in redzone, reviving me, looting me then killing me again. Yes! You have so many restrictions!

What is preventing you from doing the same thing to a rebel. Looking at the vid, are you complaining that you got killed in a red zone while being AFK? Or that we wanted some of the stuff you had on you? I don't see how any of these can be issues. Would your experience be different if they just left you there bleeding out? Or do you expect a cartel to have limitations on killing people in red zones?

 

[Kennedy]

Oh is that so??!?!? The following two clips are of me spawning in my gangshed (only on the server for like 4mins before that). And you lot flying over, killing us in redzone, reviving me, looting me then killing me again. Yes! You have so many restrictions!

https://plays.tv/video/5dbae27a0625da3afe

https://plays.tv/video/5dbae34b07ca1f517b

What is preventing you from doing the same thing to a rebel. Looking at the vid, are you complaining that you got killed in a red zone while being AFK? Or that we wanted some of the stuff you had on you? I don't see how any of these can be issues. Would your experience be different if they just left you there bleeding out? Or do you expect a cartel to have limitations on killing people in red zones?

Dont act like you dont know what he means by that 2 vids, doesnt matter if its a redzone or not who the fuck kills someone in redzone then revs them then kills them again?

we couldnt care less about the stuff

 

[Slawek]

Dont act like you dont know what he means by that 2 vids, doesnt matter if its a redzone or not who the fuck kills someone in redzone then revs them then kills them again?

we couldnt care less about the stuff

If you killed someone and really wanted to get his stuff would you rather just leave him there or revive him to get the stuff? Also, i don't see how that is an issue with the faction, if you have an issues with someone's actions like that feel free to report him.

 

[GHOSTK1LL3R]

Which also require the person to be a part of a unit with limited slots being a percentage of all poseidon members and passing a test in that unit. Not as simple as going down to the shop.

So how many people can pull them out? Qrow isn't part of any groups according to tags, and for you to state that there is limited slots and need to pass a test for that unit you sure throw them around like you don't give a damn about losing them.

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lol that is my whole point. I am a rebel, so thats what I can do. You're a whitelisted faction.

 

[PabIo]

4 minutes ago, GHOSTK1LL3R said:

So how many people can pull them out? Qrow isn't part of any groups according to tags, and for you to state that there is limited slots and need to pass a test for that unit you sure throw them around like you don't give a damn about losing them.

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[K I E R A N]

Let’s not forget that rebels can’t actually break into your houses meaning all you have to worry about are police 

 

[Butch]

Mar-10 for benching, literally was at Laundery and one of your Lobos was MAR-10'ing us.

Very rarely will you see Lobos using a mar 10 since it's not in our armory infact the only 7.62 in our arsenal is the mk1. As for the 50 k ifrits heavy restrictions lie on it and 7 people have been removed for abusing it since. As for command use that is not up to lobos command to restrict so it might seem like they are thrown about randomly but that is not the case.

- LRPS's

5 ppl + command currently have accses to a lrps but i get your point advanced or viper should in my eyes have accses to it but might inspire the roaching culture even more.

- Around 60% of people when you're on can actually get mk-1's or silenced promets.

10 non command members currently have accses to mk1 out of 78 or smthing like that members, of those people 3 trainers have accses to a mk1 all the time with the others relying on restrictions when they can be pulled out. As for 6.5 a shit ton of people have it due to it being rank weapons.

Let’s not forget that rebels can’t actually break into your houses meaning all you have to worry about are police 

Fairly sure it's been reqested so rebels can but it's up to devs if they wanna add it, i'd rather have the compound move so you don't get a warning point each time you fight there...

My opinion is still that a rebel faction like this needs a members cap to be able to balance out the ranks equipment and in game perks not drawing to many rebels to it. A member cap of 25 - 35 would work quite well in my eyes. With this a restrucutre of the faciton would do good give it a clear purpose and not a: oh we are a drug cartel that is supposed to act "sneaky" towards the cops not drawing to much attention but own 1/2 of the map. unmc was controversial for many but atleast had a clear purpose. Don't get me wrong playing Poseidon is fucking great but it's damaging rebel life significantly more now than it was 7 months ago.

 

[PabIo]

I mean it’s quite simple. Rebels want to actually stand a chance against factions and if they do end up fighting them , they want it to be a fair fight. We did a bank with about 10 members, against 20+ cops. We won it and took what we could. Poseidon then came , leach the other 200 gold bars and then proceeded to attack our gang. They don’t need the money , all there shits dead cheap.  I imagine we were one of the first gangs to do a bank in a while , and yet we get treated like that ? No wonder gangs don’t stick around and play more. Not only this, my gang try and log on in numbers and the servers full , either by the 30+ cops on , or the 20+ Poseidon. Would be good to have a percentage limit. So cops slots can only be 20% of the sever pop 

 

[Ji]

I think it's pretty simple. UNMC spiraled out of control and got removed with the plan being that a new whitelisted faction would be made sometime again in the future. Now clearly same thing has happened to poseidon.

So remove it and then make a new one in later on and for gods sake make up a better roleplay story for it, a cartel is pretty much just the same as a rebel gang. Not like it was hard to see how it would just turn out to be a glorified whitelisted rebel gang with perks. Atleast UNMC added something in terms of roleplay with it being a military faction that had an actual purpose and not just "we do whatever we want".

 

[Qrow]

I mean it’s quite simple. Rebels want to actually stand a chance against factions and if they do end up fighting them , they want it to be a fair fight. We did a bank with about 10 members, against 20+ cops. We won it and took what we could. Poseidon then came , leach the other 200 gold bars and then proceeded to attack our gang. They don’t need the money , all there shits dead cheap Just as expensive, or only at a 33% discount when rebel equipment is very expensive.  I imagine we were one of the first gangs to do a bank in a while Even though the plebs do a bank every week, sometimes more, and yet we get treated like that  feel victimised ? No wonder gangs don’t stick around and play more everything is expensive and both factions are acting out at the moment. Not only this, my gang try and log on in numbers and the servers full , either by the 30+ cops on , or the 20+ Poseidon. Would be good to have a percentage limit. So cops slots can only be 20% of the sever pop 

I helped you out there Pablo, no worries pal. 

 

[Joe Malley]

So remove it and then make a new one in later on and for gods sake make up a better roleplay story for it, a cartel is pretty much just the same as a rebel gang. Not like it was hard to see how it would just turn out to be a glorified white listed rebel gang with perks. At least UNMC added something in terms of roleplay with it being a military faction that had an actual purpose and not just "we do whatever we want".

This has been done several times, and it doesn't work, first off making a new faction from the ground up is a lot of work, not only on the development side of things either. Additionally there is nothing in place saying that the current faction cant change, the backstory isn't set in stone, neither is the purpose or activities of the faction. Perhaps try suggesting some ideas of how the current faction could change instead of just saying throw it out and start again.

Additionally making a new faction would take time, and there are many people (myself included) who dont like to play rebel or police, so just like I did when UNMC disbanded I would just go inactive until the new faction was made, and I think there are many people who would do the same so it would most likely result in a fairly decent population loss of the server.