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Ronniie

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Have a suggestion that will probably be instantly denied or frowned on here but I feel someone has to say something, But the current state of the server with serval main gangs gone & players dropping off left, right & centre we don't need the mass's of police there is, IMO.

So I suggest capping the police force like Whitelisted gangs are not to 25 but to a fair amount that can either attend certain crimes, dispatches or panics or just a general daily cap on the force.

More & more situations are becoming increasingly unfair unless your a squadron of 25 because police know that 1 tap of a panic button changes the course of roleplay, they have the best of kit & every resource at catching criminals without 30+ head armoured, 5.56 shooters covered by a sniper in black-hawk & MPAS. More risk assessments should be made rather than Panicking knowing it will turn into a gun fight & more investigations further enquires & so on.

Seeing far to many police not wanting 30 minutes or so's worth of Roleplay the criminals way but wanting to spend 30 minutes coughing & spluttering with NHS to then be able to finally arrest the person anyway.


Introducing a rotor or such would possible help with the mass's of police being able to roam.


Pros:
More roleplay is able to unfold.
Actually be aloud to be a criminal for more than 60 minutes.

Cons: some feds will have to wait to go out on patrol.
 
Tbh, firearms are being used more because officers being shot at is on the rise. Wether that's provoked or unprovoked. Police should and from the calls I go to are working on a reactionary method rather than just being suited and booted.
If police understood being dicks and rocking up to 90% of crime with the intentions of shutting the show down then your going to be met with people resisting, they've already made a plan because the behaviour pf the police is already expected, the level of RP is already set low from the start. Your pissing people off so your being met with hostility also.


The end of the day firearms officers don't need to be responding to drug dealers or shop thefts because they're bored, there should be a system in place that dispatches PROPERLY so that feds are just all over the place. because out the station ranks are nothing, feds a fed they all do the same thing.
 
It's not about winning or losing. But instead it's about balance

Exactly, I couldn’t agree more.

Also as for yesterday, I don't blame you lot reacting how you did.

The case with yesterday the only reason we reacted was because we seen our opportunity and went for it as the police would. It was fun for both sides I feel and ended with a fun solution.
 
If police understood being dicks and rocking up to 90% of crime with the intentions of shutting the show down then your going to be met with people resisting, they've already made a plan because the behaviour pf the police is already expected, the level of RP is already set low from the start. Your pissing people off so your being met with hostility also.


The end of the day firearms officers don't need to be responding to drug dealers or shop thefts because they're bored, there should be a system in place that dispatches PROPERLY so that feds are just all over the place. because out the station ranks are nothing, feds a fed they all do the same thing.
So what your saying is police rocking up to crims doing crime with the intention of stopping an active crime is a problem?


Again, if it's a case of poor RP on police not giving chances, having conversations or instant arrests. Fair point, that needs reporting.


But if you're saying feds shouldn't be shutting down crime, that's not what police are there for lol

You seem to have a real grudge against police in this server. I presume you'd rather police weren't in city right?
 
Exactly, I couldn’t agree more.



The case with yesterday the only reason we reacted was because we seen our opportunity and went for it as the police would. It was fun for both sides I feel and ended with a fun solution.
Yeah, I have no issues with it. It gave me more to do as iit 😂😂
 
FIRE ARMS ARE RESPONDING TO DRUG DEALS how more simpler do you want it? there was no shots fired there was nothing to indicate it was me for them to shit them selfs and call for back up.
🤣🤣 Who do you want to turn up?

Gangs spend their life with gun getting arrested and shooting at cops when they get arrested. We aren’t going to send in unarmed probies just because shots haven’t been fired come on. If you want to shoot people that’s fine, but understand that had repercussions on your gang or char as you will auto be threaten as a higher threat.
 
🤣🤣 Who do you want to turn up?

Gangs spend their life with gun getting arrested and shooting at cops when they get arrested. We aren’t going to send in unarmed probies just because shots haven’t been fired come on. If you want to shoot people that’s fine, but understand that had repercussions on your gang or char as you will auto be threaten as a higher threat.
I genuinely believe the issue is firearms in the city. As in guns, not police lol.

It's an instant go to for everyone. Either reduce massively the amount of available guns so firearms police don't have to be carrying their weapons, or we accept this is the way
 
Over the years I’ve had so many debates with gang members in Arma and FiveM, each time I’ve asked the person to create a fed char.

Not to be action or a new main but just short term to understand the reasonings behind why we do what we do.

So rather than saying “Cop main waaa waaa waaa” you can actually understand both sides of the debate.

Quite honestly the few who actually have quickly understand the actual problems.
 
Who do you want to turn up?
well not fire arms obviously you cant be backwards to know that firearms ain't turning up to a drug deal, camping ina bush type shit as firearms officer, this is why the police never gets altered because you get back up dancers covering the thread.
 
Over the years I’ve had so many debates with gang members in Arma and FiveM, each time I’ve asked the person to create a fed char.

Not to be action or a new main but just short term to understand the reasonings behind why we do what we do.

So rather than saying “Cop main waaa waaa waaa” you can actually understand both sides of the debate.

Quite honestly the few who actually have quickly understand the actual problems.
Not one HIGH ranking officer has even really took this seriously, just keep getting shut down with "Gangs have guns waaa waa waaa" Well every gang should present police with the same force, RP should stop when firearms rock up like it does anyway.

Defending police on a thread won't get you a promotion in game. :)
 
well not fire arms obviously you cant be backwards to know that firearms ain't turning up to a drug deal, camping ina bush type shit as firearms officer, this is why the police never gets altered because you get back up dancers covering the thread.
So if firearms can’t go to highly volatile gang turfs with gang members known for shooting at police, and say a couple of response officers go there. For the sake of example we will pretend that they don’t get cried at in OOC for valuing their life now for approaching a gang. Where do you want firearms to do?

Log off the server and sit there in standby until a time a shot if fired…

Defending police on a thread won't get you a promotion in game. :)
I have been police command… I know what does and doesn’t get you promoted, if anything this would do quite the opposite.

However this does make one thing clear, you are opposed to having a decent and constructive debate which can be read through and discussed by PolCom, Devs & Management, and you would rather throw insults and moan that firearms has better gear than you.
 
Not one HIGH ranking officer has even really took this seriously, just keep getting shut down with "Gangs have guns waaa waa waaa" Well every gang should present police with the same force, RP should stop when firearms rock up like it does anyway.

Defending police on a thread won't get you a promotion in game. :)
I think your mindset is so out of place mate.

We've been more constructive than you are pointing out even acknowledging that police won't squeeky clean.
 
I personally think Barry C makes a lot of sense and understands where improvements can be made. That's constructive
 
So if firearms can’t go to highly volatile gang turfs with gang members known for shooting at police, and say a couple of response officers go there. For the sake of example we will pretend that they don’t get cried at in OOC for valuing their life now for approaching a gang. Where do you want firearms to do?
Your clearly not reading the whole thread, if a gang is fighting another gang then by all means send in the hit squad but if you got two chaps selling coke they don't need spraying down by firearms its that simple maverick.
Response should be responding then calling for back up when the "risk assessment" deems it suitable they dont need to be chilling at little souel or sat in bushes they should be at the station waiting to deploy they're one of the most sought after spots in the force so to have to wait in between calls wouldn't be seen as being unfair as your already privileged, Your reasonability is ALOT higher than a response for example.


I have been police command… I know what does and doesn’t get you promoted, if anything this would do quite the opposite.
Although I appreciate what your saying the fact of the matter is... Your not now! I'm all for having a debate & a "Heated" discussion but you've agreed with nothing we've had to say you've just gave an excuse for each time someone had something constructive to say, basically attempting at shutting them down, I know taking accountability is harder for some people but its something that should be considered. A constructive debate is being deconstructed with-out any proper solution or anything. Not sure where the insults are & police may have better gear but I'm just better in general.
 
Ngl police will respond with either equal to or a step above the threat they are expecting to go up against same as irl police, when it comes to drug deals that threat is always expected to be firearms because of how those situations have unfolded recently. Granted its not everyone who shoots but I have to go into it ready to be shot at until ik who I'm dealing with and what they are armed with especially given we had a shootout today for an fts with 0 signs anyone was armed or it would go that way.

The real discussion should be how readily accessible guns are since both sides are just escalating based on that. This isn't me just defending police btw I see issues with how things are handled but I also see the justification behind them
 
Your clearly not reading the whole thread, if a gang is fighting another gang then by all means send in the hit squad but if you got two chaps selling coke they don't need spraying down by firearms its that simple maverick.
Response should be responding then calling for back up when the "risk assessment" deems it suitable they dont need to be chilling at little souel or sat in bushes they should be at the station waiting to deploy they're one of the most sought after spots in the force so to have to wait in between calls wouldn't be seen as being unfair as your already privileged, Your reasonability is ALOT higher than a response for example.



Although I appreciate what your saying the fact of the matter is... Your not now! I'm all for having a debate & a "Heated" discussion but you've agreed with nothing we've had to say you've just gave an excuse for each time someone had something constructive to say, basically attempting at shutting them down, I know taking accountability is harder for some people but its something that should be considered. A constructive debate is being deconstructed with-out any proper solution or anything. Not sure where the insults are & police may have better gear but I'm just better in general.
Can you show me where firearms have turned up to a drug deal scene and spraying down two guys with no reason? Because that would instantly be against policy and would actually be rdm. So do you have a clip we can review and discuss?
 
Ngl police will respond with either equal to or a step above the threat they are expecting to go up against same as irl police, when it comes to drug deals that threat is always expected to be firearms because of how those situations have unfolded recently. Granted its not everyone who shoots but I have to go into it ready to be shot at until ik who I'm dealing with and what they are armed with especially given we had a shootout today for an fts with 0 signs anyone was armed or it would go that way.

The real discussion should be how readily accessible guns are since both sides are just escalating based on that. This isn't me just defending police btw I see issues with how things are handled but I also see the justification behind them
This is what I've been preaching. The access to guns is too available. I believe someone noted prior they've seen fresh baldies running with sns and ceramic pistols... Like they should be only for those who know... Not everyone. I always say police are working on a reactionary basis.


Though. That doesn't mean police don't abuse their positions at times. However, unless that's never brought to our attention, it can't be dealt with. Gangs kinda have the freedom to act on impulse where as police work on policy. If they breach that policy, gangs can do a lot to fuck them over. It's about the RP that comes with things.
 
I even know some one thats going from probie stage right the way to firearms and the guys been in the force 5 minutes so do we get fire arms training with every tornado or something?
that's simply not feasibly possible

takes 1 week to get out of the probie stage, takes another(atleast) before you apply for FTOC, you then have to wait for FTOCs(varies when they happen, based on how active trainers are) you then have to apply for firearms, do ride alongs(which honestly will probably take you atleast 2 weeks before you're sure you have enough "positive" feedback) then you have to hope you get accepted(which isn't certain, and dependent on how full firearms are) and then do the training for it

FIRE ARMS ARE RESPONDING TO DRUG DEALS how more simpler do you want it?
they are doing their job then, police are allowed to attend any situation they want(excluding CID work ofc.) no matter their gear, obviously it should be preferred non firearms go to it, but if nothing else is happening, what's to stop them?

there was no shots fired there was nothing to indicate it was me for them to shit them selfs and call for back up.
Backup could've been called simply because there was alot of gang members, not because you "might" be there

If police understood being dicks and rocking up to 90% of crime with the intentions of shutting the show down then your going to be met with people resisting,
Police are aware crims are gonna be dicks and resist, that kinda the whole point of them

they've already made a plan because the behaviour pf the police is already expected, the level of RP is already set low from the start.
just because you believe that the RP you get provided from police is poor, does not mean you should also provide lackluster RP, be better, if you are, you have a fair reason to complain

but you also can't complain about poor RP or low RP standards if you, yourself decide to go as low or lower because of it, then you're no better yourself unfortunately.

The end of the day firearms officers don't need to be responding to drug dealers or shop thefts because they're bored,
entire gangs don't need to appear at a traffic stop for window tints(i'm not stopping you from keeping a eye just in case to be clear, but i hope you get my point), it brings nothing but rushed RP, you can and should say the same for certain police involved situations, as neither side is nor ever will be perfect and that's just a realistic way to look at it honestly.

there should be a system in place that dispatches PROPERLY so that feds are just all over the place. because out the station ranks are nothing, feds a fed they all do the same thing.
the dispatcher role already currently exists but is not used, if someone in police wanted to do it they could and should, but they don't, why would a whole new system make much more of a difference

this is why the police never gets altered because you get back up dancers covering the thread.
police actively gets altered, either short term or long term almost daily(sometimes closer to weekly, differs from time to time, etc. etc. etc.)

Not one HIGH ranking officer has even really took this seriously,
are you saying this because of no higher has replied to this thread or do you have proof that they don't take it serious?

Well every gang should present police with the same force,
sure, feel free, but the harsher you respond to police, the harsher they respond back, that's how it's always been

RP should stop when firearms rock up like it does anyway.
that's incorrect, RP should stop when you both leave the situation, no matter if that's you driving/running away, getting shot and abandoned(which does happen), or getting shot and treated and arrested, stopping RP because a person or a group of people appear is poor and shouldn't happen, no matter how much you dislike the person(s)

Defending police on a thread won't get you a promotion in game. :)
No need for the sly digs, doesn't help anything

Your clearly not reading the whole thread, if a gang is fighting another gang then by all means send in the hit squad but if you got two chaps selling coke they don't need spraying down by firearms its that simple maverick.
if this has happened before, "getting sprayed" by firearms for merely selling are you able to provide proof of such?

Response should be responding then calling for back up when the "risk assessment"
not everyone has the same risk assessment so only appearing for others people risk assessment means it can either A. be too late, or B. premature and we're back to what you're complaining about

they should be at the station waiting to deploy they're one of the most sought after spots in the force so to have to wait in between calls wouldn't be seen as being unfair as your already privileged,
no they should not, no one should ever "just" sit at PD doing nothing, not even CID do that.


as much as I appreciate the post and agree that some of your points are valid, you are also bringing up situations to "further" your side to favour you without providing any proof that it's true, anyone can do that, so it's always better to provide proof of it.


for anyone saying gun accessability is a issue, both yes and no, it was honestly easier to get guns back in the day(black market times, and ammunation for a bit i believe) but depending on circumstances it could also be easy to get guns now, as some people don't really seem to care who they sell guns to as long as they have enough money for it

if people think gun accessability is a issue make a new thread, keep this thread on topic for what it's for and keep it civil, otherwise we'll just lock the suggestion

Anything but the line right above this is my personal opinion and not that of staff, K thanks
 
Your clearly not reading the whole thread, if a gang is fighting another gang then by all means send in the hit squad but if you got two chaps selling coke they don't need spraying down by firearms its that simple maverick.
Frankly I’m disagree.

People in this thread have complained about response officers not valuing their life approaching a gang turf now you want them to do so?

Yes response officer have firearms but all high risk jobs aka but not exclusive to people known for firearms useage, high risk/ volatile areas, buildings where a breach or hostage needs breaking or rescuing.

Quite honestly saying firearms rocked up on 2 crims and sprayed them down is another example of you just talking from emotion rather than fact as that just wouldn’t happen. Any officer who would do that would be fired instantly…
Although I appreciate what your saying the fact of the matter is... You’re not now! I'm all for having a debate & a "Heated" discussion but you've agreed with nothing we've had to say you've just gave an excuse for each time someone had something constructive to say, basically attempting at shutting them down, I know taking accountability is harder for some people but its something that should be considered. A constructive debate is being deconstructed with-out any proper solution or anything. Not sure where the insults are & police may have better gear but I'm just better in general.
what do you want a pat on the back and they odd compliment? I am not going to agree with you if I don’t agree with you.l frankly idk what rank has to do with anything.

If I disagree with you that doesn’t mean I am right and you are wrong, I most definitely am not a spokes person for the police.

I am talking from experience from both sides crim and police. It is very easy to avoid a shootout with the police.

All I have gathered from this threat is you don’t want to change, gangs want to continue carrying guns, shooting other gangs and shooting police but they also want the police that come to deal with them to be easier because they keep losing.
 
Ngl police will respond with either equal to or a step above the threat they are expecting to go up against same as irl police, when it comes to drug deals that threat is always expected to be firearms because of how those situations have unfolded recently. Granted its not everyone who shoots but I have to go into it ready to be shot at until ik who I'm dealing with and what they are armed with especially given we had a shootout today for an fts with 0 signs anyone was armed or it would go that way.

The real discussion should be how readily accessible guns are since both sides are just escalating based on that. This isn't me just defending police btw I see issues with how things are handled but I also see the justification behind them
Yeah, no I get where your coming from I'll be the first to say the server is riddled with to many guns therefore police are in a tough position but would a response officer with a combat pistol not be sufficient? or if he did more observations gathered more intel created more storylines got hold of where the drugs or guns was stored for a possible raid thus taking guns away from those gangs. If the response officer was in trouble or couldn't gather the intel that day would it be to much to choose another day? I also understand people will shoot police at any given opportunity but those situations I'm not talking about.


The real discussion should be how readily accessible guns are since both sides are just escalating based on that.
This plays a massive part, guns do need more restrictions just like drugs are now IMO thus cancelling out people freely willing to lose hours of grinding to have a scrap with police, it just would no longer be worth it to them as they'd need those guns for other purposes. Not sure if that is another thread on its own but it's something that needs attention & maybe this is the thread for that (don't hate me crims) ;)
Can you show me where firearms have turned up to a drug deal scene and spraying down two guys with no reason?
There's countless times firearms are turning up to minor incidents creating them bigger, there's always another day for police to make a move! Your police surely it would make it more fun for yourselves also?

For anyone reading thinking I'm being a d*** I'm not.
 
There's countless times firearms are turning up to minor incidents creating them bigger, there's always another day for police to make a move! Your police surely it would make it more fun for yourselves also?
In all honesty there is no point going back and fourth as clearly this is going nowhere.

Again I strongly belive firearms have never turned up to a minor incidents and sometimes start shooting. However as this has happened “countless times” feel free to prove me wrong.

Firearms don’t make it bigger, they turn up to stop the situation, the gangs choose to make it bigger or back down, don’t pass the blame.


Rather than another back and forth and as this has gone in so many circles to refresh the air. Can you clearly lay out what you want police and gangs to do differently.

As I want firearms to sit at the station all night so I get easier cops to fight isn’t going to win you any medals. If anything your argument of that would cause many firearms officers to get bored and the second someone shoots a firearms 15 bored officers all turn up at the same time and you will moan that they are all coming at once.
 
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