CIVILIAN CAREERS

[lewisgoddard200]

Hi all,





I’m fairly new here – this is only my second GTA server, though I’ve spent a lot of time playing ARMA 3.
I’ve been on the server for about a week now, and every time I’ve gone down and requested NHS, no one has responded. At first, I thought it might be the time of day, but I’ve played at all hours – early mornings, throughout the day, and late at night – with the same result. I’ve also heard other players talking about the lack of medics.

This led me to an idea that could help reduce the issue.

Suggestion: Civilian First Responders (Plain-Clothes Medics)

Allow civilians to work as first responders in plain clothes. These players would receive a notification (GPS or map icon) when a player nearby is down. If they’re close enough, they can respond, roleplay the situation, place the injured player into their vehicle, and transport them to the hospital.
Once the injured player has been treated at the hospital, the civilian responder could offer them a lift back or any other reasonable RP assistance.


Payment / Incentives

• A fixed payment per downed player (e.g. £5,000–£10,000), or

• A wage increase while “on duty” in civilian careers (e.g. +£200–£250

Pros
•Less out-of-game reviving by friends

• More roleplay opportunities
• Less gear loss, which can lead to player burnout

Cons
•Time required to implement

• Structuring and balancing the system

I fully understand there may be issues with this idea and that implementation could take time, so I understand if it’s rejected. However, losing belongings repeatedly isn’t fun, especially when you don’t always have the funds to replace them, and this could be a potential middle ground.

 

[DC Dean Hastings]

Just seems you've been unlucky, end of the day NHS are here for roleplay, if they can't get to someome that's not their issue; the roleplay is the whole point.

The ability you speak off could be easily abused and be hard to monitor for staff.

If you really want such a role, I'd suggest joining NHS yourself and seeing how things work.

Suggestion is a -1

 

[Freddyy]

I agree with the lack of medics it would be good to implement something, just not sure it's this.

"Less of out-of-game reviving" are you assuming we all metagame? (only a joke)

 

[James Wong]

In all fairness I do understand where you are coming from, there's been multiple times myself and others have died during a run and we put out a medic dispatch for nothing to come of it. Then later when we decide to just drive there we see 3 medics emoting/dancing outside pillbox, or chatting.

Something is defiantly needed, I just don't know if this is the right direction.

 

[DC Dean Hastings]

In all fairness I do understand where you are coming from, there's been multiple times myself and others have died during a run and we put out a medic dispatch for nothing to come of it. Then later when we decide to just drive there we see 3 medics emoting/dancing outside pillbox, or chatting.

Something is defiantly needed, I just don't know if this is the right direction.

I've been thinking about this suggestion, to be fair: I see no reason players can't use their phone whilst downed, so maybe that should be implemented? Cause people can remove communications when people are downed anyway?

 

[James Wong]

I've been thinking about this suggestion, to be fair: I see no reason players can't use their phone whilst downed, so maybe that should be implemented? Cause people can remove communications when people are downed anyway?

I like this idea, so I can play flappy bird while the NHS Griddy outside pillbox.
Could also be used to call your friends to come and help you, could make this a pretty cool script for example

Only have your phone for the first 10 mins you are down.
Could constantly 'blackout' or drop your phone from your hands.
Don't allow GPS to be sent so people have to try describe what weird and wonderful places they have died at.
Only communicate in messages with pictures on your phone

These are all quite silly but I think this would make the whole situation of dying pretty funny.

 

[DC Dean Hastings]

I like this idea, so I can play flappy bird while the NHS Griddy outside pillbox.
Could also be used to call your friends to come and help you, could make this a pretty cool script for example

Only have your phone for the first 10 mins you are down.
Could constantly 'blackout' or drop your phone from your hands.
Don't allow GPS to be sent so people have to try describe what weird and wonderful places they have died at.
Only communicate in messages with pictures on your phone

These are all quite silly but I think this would make the whole situation of dying pretty funny.

I think those are pretty fab ideas to be honest

 

[Freddyy]

I've been thinking about this suggestion, to be fair: I see no reason players can't use their phone whilst downed, so maybe that should be implemented? Cause people can remove communications when people are downed anyway?

That sounds good tbh, or I've seen on other servers where when you're on the floor, more damage e.g guns just put you from a crawling / kinda downed state to then being put on your back where then you're fully incapped.

 

[lewisgoddard200]

Just seems you've been unlucky, end of the day NHS are here for roleplay, if they can't get to someome that's not their issue; the roleplay is the whole point.

The ability you speak off could be easily abused and be hard to monitor for staff.

If you really want such a role, I'd suggest joining NHS yourself and seeing how things work.

Suggestion is a -1

Completely agree there here to role play but we’re all here for that reason

Answer to the unlucky part it would be unlucky for you not to get revived 8 out of ten times but all 10 isn’t unlucky it just lack of medics that why the suggestion was made

The ability being abused is always going to be a issue in everything added but if it was to be implemented I’m sure the would think off away to try prevent this

 

[DC Dean Hastings]

Completely agree there here to role play but we’re all here for that reason

Answer to the unlucky part it would be unlucky for you not to get revived 8 out of ten times but all 10 isn’t unlucky it just lack of medics that why the suggestion was made

The ability being abused is always going to be a issue in everything added but if it was to be implemented I’m sure the would think off away to try prevent this

No disrespect was meant by my comments. I can only provide my opinion against what you've suggested, it's uptonyou to suggest what mitigations should be in place to prevent abuse.

For example: what's to say that someone is actually going to use this to help people? Why not just goto who's downed for the purpose of robbing them instead? How are you going to prevent that?

Also, how are you going to prevent people just using this as a kill confirmation system?

 

[lewisgoddard200]

Apologies if it seem I took that a disrespectful that wasn’t my intention

The hole intent of this system is to RP not mechanical advantage any interaction still has to follow RP and server guidelines anyone found using this to find down players just for the intent to rob them with no RP buildup then it would be a meta tool sadly that no a system issue that would just be a rule break therefore would need to dealt with by staff

 

[DC Dean Hastings]

Apologies if it seem I took that a disrespectful that wasn’t my intention

The hole intent of this system is to RP not mechanical advantage any interaction still has to follow RP and server guidelines anyone found using this to find down players just for the intent to rob them with no RP buildup then it would be a meta tool sadly that no a system issue that would just be a rule break therefore would need to dealt with by staff

But if everyone has this system how do you prove abuse and that they didn't just find them?

Or would you need to introduce new server rules that they aren't allowed to be in possession of weapons or rob people whilst clocked in as this role?

Do people need to be background checked before they get this voluntary role? Who's going to ask for those background checks? If they are monitored by the same standards as NHS for the reasons I've explained then why don't people just don't join NHS?

 

[lewisgoddard200]

Civilian careers aren’t held to the same as the NHS there simple there to assist the NHS is busy moments or lack of staff

Its my understanding that nhs can’t perform illegal activities as a civilian career this would obvs need to be revised solely for them as the are doing it for the sole surprise of get player back up and running rather than them losing all the gear etc

Back ground check would need to be done but as a potential new job/division that could be passed on to some who’s already had the appropriate back ground check ranking them them the lead of this group

NHS/medics everywhere has always been a vital part to a community and for those medics who do drive. Around assisting other player a massive thank you but for the most part no one wants to seem to do it as it can be boring driving up and down the map waiting for someone to be injured

The suggestion isn’t perfect you’ve made some pretty strong point and that would definitely need to be looked at with more time but NHS is struggling

 

[DC Dean Hastings]

Civilian careers aren’t held to the same as the NHS there simple there to assist the NHS is busy moments or lack of staff

Its my understanding that nhs can’t perform illegal activities as a civilian career this would obvs need to be revised solely for them as the are doing it for the sole surprise of get player back up and running rather than them losing all the gear etc

Back ground check would need to be done but as a potential new job/division that could be passed on to some who’s already had the appropriate back ground check ranking them them the lead of this group

NHS/medics everywhere has always been a vital part to a community and for those medics who do drive. Around assisting other player a massive thank you but for the most part no one wants to seem to do it as it can be boring driving up and down the map waiting for someone to be injured

The suggestion isn’t perfect you’ve made some pretty strong point and that would definitely need to be looked at with more time but NHS is struggling

I welcome your suggestion and please don't be put off from inputting them in future, but considering normal people can take people to Pillbox already and AMT police can also revive people, I don't think this is needed.

 

[lewisgoddard200]

I welcome your suggestion and please don't be put off from inputting them in future, but considering normal people can take people to Pillbox already and AMT police can also revive people, I don't think this is needed.

With normal people being able to take people to the hospital that a valid point it more the fact that if you put hunting or doing a run and no one is around to find you and you go down your basically done

 

[DC Dean Hastings]

With normal people being able to take people to the hospital that a valid point it more the fact that if you put hunting or doing a run and no one is around to find you and you go down your basically done

If the issue is hunting then maybe find a hunting a buddy? Scope for further RP there, this suggestion would seek to remove that possibility from you.

 

[Scott]

I do like the idea; definitely some issues that'd need to be ironed out, but it does have some weight.

 

[Tommy Wright]

Why not just give groups a panic button, same way feds etc have them? Make it an even playingfield.

Gives out a gps ping if you are about to die etc etc..

Civ medics would be exploited to oblivion by everyone.

 

[Tarquin M. / David Thorne]

I'm going to put my feelings into two parts, firstly my observations as an NHS member as to what could be having an effect on availability, and secondly what I feel could be a middle ground to help when medics are not around.

Before I start, all my views here are my own and what I have personally witnessed and felt as an NHS medic. I am not speaking for anyone else.

I think the city needs to be a lot better in general at engaging properly in medical RP with NHS. What becomes so demotivating is that when you are trying to give really good medical RP that reflect what the reality would be of the injuries sustained, there are many occasions where that becomes impossible. Reasons can include the following:

• Going on scene, try and give the patient medical RP, but then random other people run up and start shouting or having conversations right on top of you despite telling them to back off.
• Going on scene, try and give the patient medical RP, but no engagement with /medicals, /me etc. This leaves you with only really being able to RP basic injuries that you can fix on scene because what's the point of taking them to Pillbox if there is no engagement?
• You are treating a patient that has been downed in what is likely to be a play fight. Whilst I don't have any issues with that in and of itself, it is annoying when people think they can keep play fighting, downing more people, just because a medic is around who will treat them straight away. This means that others in city who are downed don't get a quicker response because we are dealing with a situation like this.

A more specific additional example is that on a recent patrol, I had someone wanting to RP having a spinal injury from being knocked off their bike in a police chase. We obviously take them to Pillbox for additional checks, but the second we start doing the checks as should be done and then giving the person the option of deciding what injuries they want in LOOC, we were met with a response of "just get this s**t over with", in LOOC. Maybe because they were not gonna get out of custody? Idk.

Where I am going with this is these situations above when they happen (which can be quite often), it makes me want to go off duty and fly out, even if I was planning to patrol for longer. I feel if these things were to improve and people were a bit more mindful in these situations, it may help with having more medics around.

In terms of what could be a good middle ground for the times where medics aren't around, I really like the idea floated by James Wong above of perhaps giving people the option to have access to their phone for a limited time. I would say it should only be if NHS are not available, and if your injury is something that wouldn't be considered life threatening.

 

[Alex Taylor]

Where I am going with this is these situations above when they happen (which can be quite often), it makes me want to go off duty and fly out, even if I was planning to patrol for longer. I feel if these things were to improve and people were a bit more mindful in these situations, it may help with having more medics around.

1000%.

I spent the first couple of years here as an NHS main and the burnout was real. No matter how much you try to make it fun or engaging - some people just want a quick fix and back at it like nothing ever happened. Very rarely did anyone actually want any form of long term RP even tho at the time we were well staffed day and night.

I'll float my idea I presented a long while back again; Community First Responders (CFRs)

Similar to IRL, It would be a part time job (similar to clocking on as a mechanic, hunter etc) and not held to the same standards as full time NHS and as such not have the same powers as full time NHS. CFR's could clock on, attend dispatches but only stabilise till the real ambo arrives or convey to hospital if there are no full time online / available. It gives an additional pathway for people to either join the NHS fulltime or engage in some part time work as / when required. This way it may also give people insight as to how the NHS in general are treated and hopefully carry over to their own RP when interacting with medics.

Also reserves for NHS wouldn't be a terrible idea I'd love to jump on my old medic character for the odd shift every now and then without being held to the hour requirements whilst trying to juggle other characters and real life commitments too