Change How Breaking Into Places Works

[JackJohnson]

Brief Summary:
Change the system for breaking into safehouses etc... to be similar to how prison and other places works.

Detailed Suggestion:
So I think basically everyone in a whitelisted gang/group can tell you right now, there is constantly break ins between 4am-7am when there is 99% of the time nobody from that group online, everyone talks about it and knows people are just doing it for 'free loot' and what basically happens is they break in at stupid o'clock when nobody is online and check if any storages have been left open, or if there is anything else that can be stolen. It's been happening for a while now, never at a reasonable time. Personally I think this is down to the fact that these people have no intention of roleplaying with members of groups or gangs, they just want to rob them when there is basically no chance of getting caught, or no chance or any repercussions. From experience recently, I'll say even if you are lucky enough to catch someone doing it and they are dealt with, it's making no difference as they are just coming back and doing it again at 5am. This is obviously an isolated group of players being stupid, but I think it's highlighted a flaw in the system, or something that could be improved for roleplays sake.

My suggestion is to change the system, so that you can only lockpick/drill into a gang/groups safehouse or property if there is at least 1 member of the group online, fairly simple. If there is 0 members online, you cannot break in and get a message similar to other places like this saying something like "There's too much heat in this area right now" or similar. I'd compare this to the likes of banks, where you can only rob them if there is a certain amount of Police online, there is already a lot of places this sort of logic is used on the server already.

Besides the whole idea of 'looting' places, it would stop the nonsense of breaking into a gangs safehouse at 4am to take selfies and photos all over the place, then posting them all over Tweedle at 8pm, something I personally think is just boring honestly.

The Pros:
- Encourages roleplay, forcing people to take the risk of being confronted if they want to do it
- Makes it fairer for gangs/groups so they don't need to worry about being essentially 'offline raided' at 5am like you are playing Rust
- Stops people having the chance to completely avoid any roleplay

The Cons:
- None that I can think of

Does this suggestion change balance on the server ?
Yes

 

[Donny]

100% yes.

People breaking every door at 5-7am everyday. I don't have enough of a neckbeard to stay up that late or prioritise my mornings on trying to catch loot goblins who never leave any trace.

+++++ for roleplays sake.

 

[Vinny]

+1

 

[Xilvey]

+1!!!+

 

[Bmav]

dont leave safes open dont be robbed, i would love to be able to leave my house open to everyone ...

 

[Charlie.B]

+1

 

[Zren]

+1

 

[SteveStacy]

This could be used to metagame information, finding out if there are any members online by just attempting to break into a safehouse.


Personally, I don't see why this should be changed if you make sure you lock things before you come off, then you wont be robbed... taking "propaganda" pictures and posting them is just a bit of fun I don't see why that would be such an issue where it need's to be changed. Would this also apply to police raids?

-1

 

[Evelyn Ross]

+1 !!

 

[The Original Kano™]

This could be used to meta game information, finding out if there are any members online by just attempting to break into a safe house.

People already break into safe houses in an attempt to find this information out anyway by hoping someone turns up at the alarm, doesn't really change a whole lot.

taking "propaganda" pictures and posting them is just a bit of fun I don't see why that would be such an issue where it need's to be changed.

I personally don't think something being "a bit of fun" justifies the trolling nature of what it is, and lets be real, that is exactly the motivation behind doing it, to troll whoever owns the property you broke into.


Besides, another Pro to this suggestion that Jack's missed:

if people can't break into places at 4/5/6 in the morning, maybe it'll benefit them in the long run by promoting other activities, such as touching grass.

 

[1A3]

This could be used to metagame information, finding out if there are any members online by just attempting to break into a safehouse.

what's the issue with that? just because you know there's at least 1 person on doesn't mean you know who specifically or where they are so it wouldn't really change anything?

 

[SteveStacy]

what's the issue with that? just because you know there's at least 1 person on doesn't mean you know who specifically or where they are so it wouldn't really change anything?

If for example mara are getting ready to try hunt ballas, but cant seem to find any of them and they go to their turf and lockpick their door but get met with the message "there is too much heat" they will know no members of ballas are around so will obviously stop trying to find them and lower their guards but they shouldn't have concrete proof that there are none on because it makes no sense.

I personally don't think something being "a bit of fun" justifies the trolling nature of what it is, and lets be real, that is exactly the motivation behind doing it, to troll whoever owns the property you broke into.

how is it trolling?

if people can't break into places at 4/5/6 in the morning, maybe it'll benefit them in the long run by promoting other activities, such as touching grass.

bit odd but okay.

 

[Bmav]

Better idea dont leave safes open who cares if they lockpick your safehouse they cant get anything but people are just to dense to not close their safes so hence why this suggestion is up.
Again same question, do you leave your house open at night ? Simple. you don't.

Another point is why did the opening safes thing get added in the first place, and if you come with the comment to make it easier to move stuff i am just going to pretend we live on a different planet since everyone knows passing to someone while they in the safe is still the best way to move stuff so it dont affect that mechanic anyway.

Adding something because of lazyness to lock a safe is crazy i cant lie.

 

[JackJohnson]

Adding something because of lazyness to lock a safe is crazy i cant lie.

I see it as adding something because people can't be bothered to RP, rather than anything about locking a safe. There's no other point to 5am break ins other than avoiding RP while trying to gain free 'loot' honestly.

 

[Bmav]

I see it as adding something because people can't be bothered to RP, rather than anything about locking a safe. There's no other point to 5am break ins other than avoiding RP while trying to gain free 'loot' honestly.

You think people doing bins or doing anything like selling drugs or those types of activities at those times have any RP involved ? i see it the same as doing those at that time of the day.
Regardless, should always lock safes before logging out, and again asking you the same question why was the function added in the first place and what RP are the people who lockpick people's safehouses gonna do ? /Me opens safe ? or they need to wait for people to come to the safehouse to actual break in ? like i dont understand the logic really.
Its really as simple as pressing ALT and pressing the lock button on a safe i dont get the complication or a need for a system to prevent people not locking a safe and also like Steve stacey said i cant wait for everyone to metagame people online.

Literaly no need to spoon feed a feature over people's mistakes.

 

[adaco]

Don't think this suggestion was raised because safes were being looted, think it was more because the fat little no lives who do it at 6-7am know there is no chance of them getting caught because no one else but them will be on the server

 

[Donny]

Don't think this suggestion was raised because safes were being looted, think it was more because the fat little no lives who do it at 6-7am know there is no chance of them getting caught because no one else but them will be on the server

Cold and factual.

 

[Bmav]

Cold and factual.

Also cold and factual that last week or the week before a couple people including the suggestion makerw left their safes open but we move.

Again i get you why are people awake at those times but if thats the case just make it so the server goes offline after 2 AM to 8AM does that fix the issue ? no.
If people wanna play on those times go ahead, its sad yes but who gonna stop ya.
Again i ask the same question is it hard to lock a safe ? no it aint people being carefree with their stuff seems like a them issue, i lost some stuff because i left a car and someone lockpicked it, are you gonna prevent people from lockpicking cars at 6AM ? no its the same logic again people just need to have common sense to lock their safes and this wouldnt even be suggestion to begin with.

 

[adaco]

Also cold and factual that last week or the week before a couple people including the suggestion makerw left their safes open but we move.

Again i get you why are people awake at those times but if thats the case just make it so the server goes offline after 2 AM to 8AM does that fix the issue ? no.
If people wanna play on those times go ahead, its sad yes but who gonna stop ya.
Again i ask the same question is it hard to lock a safe ? no it aint people being carefree with their stuff seems like a them issue, i lost some stuff because i left a car and someone lockpicked it, are you gonna prevent people from lockpicking cars at 6AM ? no its the same logic again people just need to have common sense to lock their safes and this wouldnt even be suggestion to begin with.

I reckon they just get a life and they wont be able to play the server at those times x

Listen mate I hardly play no more, couldn't give a shite if you nick a few of me smoothies but its sad as fuck that people sit there 7 days a week drilling a unmaned safehouse at 6am knowing they can get away with it

 

[Jet]

+1