CIVILIAN CAREERS

[lewisgoddard200]

Hi all,





I’m fairly new here – this is only my second GTA server, though I’ve spent a lot of time playing ARMA 3.
I’ve been on the server for about a week now, and every time I’ve gone down and requested NHS, no one has responded. At first, I thought it might be the time of day, but I’ve played at all hours – early mornings, throughout the day, and late at night – with the same result. I’ve also heard other players talking about the lack of medics.

This led me to an idea that could help reduce the issue.

Suggestion: Civilian First Responders (Plain-Clothes Medics)

Allow civilians to work as first responders in plain clothes. These players would receive a notification (GPS or map icon) when a player nearby is down. If they’re close enough, they can respond, roleplay the situation, place the injured player into their vehicle, and transport them to the hospital.
Once the injured player has been treated at the hospital, the civilian responder could offer them a lift back or any other reasonable RP assistance.


Payment / Incentives

• A fixed payment per downed player (e.g. £5,000–£10,000), or

• A wage increase while “on duty” in civilian careers (e.g. +£200–£250

Pros
•Less out-of-game reviving by friends

• More roleplay opportunities
• Less gear loss, which can lead to player burnout

Cons
•Time required to implement

• Structuring and balancing the system

I fully understand there may be issues with this idea and that implementation could take time, so I understand if it’s rejected. However, losing belongings repeatedly isn’t fun, especially when you don’t always have the funds to replace them, and this could be a potential middle ground.

 

[Archie/Dan/Charlie]

As an NHS main who has spent close to the last year role playing as an NHS worker I hate to say it but people do take us for granted David nailed it in his response we either

A. Get people just messing around because a medic is on duty and near them
B. Receive 0 RP from people
C. We treat someone and they just don't play it out (I have treat someone and done surgery on there leg and as soon as they hear recovery they discharge them selves and run off its infuriating)

In all fairness I do understand where you are coming from, there's been multiple times myself and others have died during a run and we put out a medic dispatch for nothing to come of it. Then later when we decide to just drive there we see 3 medics emoting/dancing outside pillbox, or chatting.

When you spend all your time treating an entire server some down time is needed we go from point A to B to C with zero time in between pretty much every night and yes we sometimes take breaks with colleagues and have some fun as if you try and join NHS you would understand why.

I've taken this from the NHS website to put some perspective into it

I waited around 40 minutes for a medic before bleeding out, are you lot inactive?
No, we are not inactive, but we cannot have medics on 24/7 as the role is really demanding. Our medics have to deal with people being verbally abusive over a game and are often targeted by trolls. Besides this, we have very limited medics that can be patrolling. If the server is full and we have 2 medics on duty, That means we have 1 medic for each 175 players. Sometimes people decide to die every 5 minutes causing a medic to be stuck going back and forth causing an even longer response time.

This reply is not all negative though i do agree something should be implemented

I'll float my idea I presented a long while back again; Community First Responders (CFRs)

Similar to IRL, It would be a part time job (similar to clocking on as a mechanic, hunter etc) and not held to the same standards as full time NHS and as such not have the same powers as full time NHS. CFR's could clock on, attend dispatches but only stabilise till the real ambo arrives or convey to hospital if there are no full time online / available. It gives an additional pathway for people to either join the NHS fulltime or engage in some part time work as / when required. This way it may also give people insight as to how the NHS in general are treated and hopefully carry over to their own RP when interacting with medics.

i rate this and think this has potential in terms of helping the server and the NHS, i do think there would be certain obvious restrictions such as they cant treat professional injuries unless high skill level and they cant help people to there feet but in terms of transport and stabilisation i think this is a good idea

Payment / Incentives

• A fixed payment per downed player (e.g. £5,000–£10,000), or

• A wage increase while “on duty” in civilian careers (e.g. +£200–£250

I think the wage could be a good idea but the fixed payment personally i think would be a problem as NHS only earn £5,000 per player revived which would be an even bigger blow to people who do play as NHS, and then there could be the issue some one clocks on and just pay check farms clocked on without treating anyone

I think this would be a suggestion for staff and dev's to sort out and fine tune to make it work alongside NHS

 

[Riya - PC Riaz]

maybe a new nhs branch? - i have nothing too long to add but what if nhs had a new section where they can hire civs specifically for this much like rangers with hunters and cannot have a criminal record to join this branch

 

[Doctor Box]

Also reserves for NHS wouldn't be a terrible idea I'd love to jump on my old medic character for the odd shift every now and then without being held to the hour requirements whilst trying to juggle other characters and real life commitments too

I believe something like this is already the case with @Anne McGee being a part-time employee rather than the usual full time so it should absolutely be possible for more people to hold such a position.

Going on scene, try and give the patient medical RP, but then random other people run up and start shouting or having conversations right on top of you despite telling them to back off.

This is an RP issue that can be solved a few ways by the NHS such as calling G6 or the Police to come and clear the area for you.

You are treating a patient that has been downed in what is likely to be a play fight. Whilst I don't have any issues with that in and of itself, it is annoying when people think they can keep play fighting, downing more people, just because a medic is around who will treat them straight away. This means that others in city who are downed don't get a quicker response because we are dealing with a situation like this.

When I was still with the NHS and attended these sorts of calls I would eventually tell them to start going to the hospital as other people also need treatment. There's a point where you could absolutely say the play fighting isn't leading to severe enough injuries to require your intervention and just leave.

I really like Taylors idea of a Community First Responder and Riya's mention of a new NHS branch would mix incredibly well with it. I do think its possible that the CFR job could be abused to find people who have been dumped/died somewhere far away, so having CFRs be subject to the some of the same rules as the NHS (Specifically G9.3 & G9.5 Following gangs/Position Abuse) would be a good way to prevent that.

 

[Anne McGee]

I believe something like this is already the case with @Anne McGee being a part-time employee rather than the usual full time so it should absolutely be possible for more people to hold such a position.

let me just start with i've not read any of this article beside's my tag. O.O

1. yes i'm partime nhs
2. i still have to do the min. required hours same as everyone else
3. you can do 5 hours every month by being on duty for 10 min every day (2/3 evenings nhs and you're already there)
4. I mentioned during my job interview that i'd be partime

why did i get outed in a forum post?

 

[Anne McGee]

Hi all,


I’m fairly new here – this is only my second GTA server, though I’ve spent a lot of time playing ARMA 3.
I’ve been on the server for about a week now, and every time I’ve gone down and requested NHS, no one has responded. At first, I thought it might be the time of day, but I’ve played at all hours – early mornings, throughout the day, and late at night – with the same result. I’ve also heard other players talking about the lack of medics.

This led me to an idea that could help reduce the issue.

Suggestion: Civilian First Responders (Plain-Clothes Medics)

Allow civilians to work as first responders in plain clothes. These players would receive a notification (GPS or map icon) when a player nearby is down. If they’re close enough, they can respond, roleplay the situation, place the injured player into their vehicle, and transport them to the hospital.
Once the injured player has been treated at the hospital, the civilian responder could offer them a lift back or any other reasonable RP assistance.


Payment / Incentives

• A fixed payment per downed player (e.g. £5,000–£10,000), or

• A wage increase while “on duty” in civilian careers (e.g. +£200–£250

Pros
•Less out-of-game reviving by friends

• More roleplay opportunities
• Less gear loss, which can lead to player burnout

Cons
•Time required to implement

• Structuring and balancing the system

I fully understand there may be issues with this idea and that implementation could take time, so I understand if it’s rejected. However, losing belongings repeatedly isn’t fun, especially when you don’t always have the funds to replace them, and this could be a potential middle ground.

alright, reading this fully now as an NHS Maternity Midwife.

1. it's christmas period, the city is known to be more quiet every year we've been here as people are with family (in my case i'm doing a lot of overtime at work to make sure everyone has way too much food in their fridge)
2. This suggestion will be abused A lot, how can police see the difference between a disguised gang member or an off-duty nhs worker? how often will we get calls to act as a ''downed people finder''? or as a pillbox taxi?
3. NHS workers are not heal bots, we are also people that are playing the game for enjoyment, nhs medical roleplay is very mentally draining and takes a lot of real life research during and behind the scene. we get tired. (i'm dutch so i have to translate everything)

(If i'm off duty and see someone in need of help, I will stop and escort them to pillbox, not because i'm an off-duty nhs but because I think it's nice to do.)

If you're unlucky and lose some item's it is sad indeed, but things will be replaced in time, give value to items and make sure you are carefull with what you have.
What will give players a burn out is adding too much pressure on an already high pressure job like the nhs, we try to provide roleplay as realistic as possible.
Even if someone flew out their windshield onto the highway and got flattened by 3 cars like a french pancake but ooc just wants some saline and to be on their way.

Have i not been as active as i wanted? yes.
Have I worked 180 hours this month irl? Yes
Have I been using my spare time to relax outside the nhs instead? yes
Am I planning on being more active inside the NHS? Hell yes!