Hello
Police Complaints:
The "hassle" of submitting a police complaint is an issue that really needs attention. I have been sat in PD for hours trying to get hold of someone to take my complaint and been told by people that can receive it that they are "busy" at one point i was handed over to a member of police command that introduced him self as "Big Dick Kingston" a rather rude guy.
A way to resolve this would be a form at the front desk.
But the backlash of this issue is that police is not held accountable for misconduct.
-Chris Conway
Hello
@TikTak, I have already addressed this further up the thread.
Thanks nonetheless for your input.
Something id like to mention is the stupid overuse of tasers.
In 90% of situations I get involved in as my civ character the go to response to a foot pursuit or someone getting into a car is instant taser, and it really downplays on the fun. Police officers should be abiding by their use of force and NDM's more as its just impossible to have a reasonable and fun foot pursuit these days. "You have a suspended license?" Hands up or be tazed instead of chatting and resolving the situation nicely and frankly im getting sick of it not sure about anyone else. The go to reaction to almost every offence or situation is a taser and its just silly. People who arent a threat to themselves, police or the public do not need to be subdued straight away with non lethal measures, actually chase them or use assets that we actually have available to aid in pursuits for example, sending a dog to induce fear into the civ to make them stop or to stop them by that means, or using npas to track the suspect on the ground whilst ground units catch up to them, and failing that sure a taser if its absolutely necessary.
This seems like a rant and it is, I feel personally the more police that are joining and passing their weapons proficiency, the worse its getting for these types of situations. More just tase and shoot first, get the arrest and get on with your day, so much more fun can be made by actually having a full out vehicle and foot pursuit than just resorting to measures that would just not be done irl.
Hi
@Custard Cream@M
I completely agree with you that tasers are sometimes deployed to quickly or without good reason to do so, this is something Police Command have recognised and have started cracking down on, currently our standpoint is that if someone misuses their firearm or taser they will loose their Weapons Profficency Training for 2 weeks and be required to resit it after those 2 weeks.
This is purely speculation and something I imagine contributes towards the issue you mention, the officer may be new to the Police Service and unsure of alternative methods due to lack of experience or has had bad experiences in the past as a result of not deploying a taser.
Regardless, we hope to see this issue improve with new enforcment taking place on misuse cases although being realistic, it is likely to always be somewhat of a thing, each induvidual is required to make their own decisions and sometimes they make the wrong ones.
Hope this gives you insight into how we aim to tackle this,
Thanks for you Feedback.
Supt Kingston.
Communication and common sense.
This is going to come across like a bit of a rant, but it's because its text. I'm trying to be sincere.
There does appear to be an inherent lack of communication getting to where it needs to be. What I mean by where it needs to be, is to the opposing side of a situation. The vast majority of the time I haven't got a clue 1. why you're there. 2. What it is that you want. and 3. how I can get you to leave me alone.
What I'm met with consistently is aggression and a gun pointed in my face or some officer will try and bare faced lie to get inside our compound making assumptions that either I or maybe they don't know how the law works.
Also individuals taking certain actions that are detrimental to situations because they haven't thought things through from the other side.
Don't expect me, a citizen, to know exactly how many trojan you have by the number of cars or any of that bollocks, because I don't.
If you as a police officer, and in any way touch an escape vehicle outside of a bank robbery in plain view of the bank robbers expect that to be taken as an incredibly hostile action and more than enough reason for me to take action in a high tension situation. (Even though in the situation I mention specifically it was a misfire)
If you turn up outside someone's illicit location where you suspect something not so legitimate is going on, and you turn up with 10+ police vehicles and a number of trojan outside threatening to blow the doors off of a compound over "a failure to stop" don't be surprised when a massive amount of force greets you on the other side. Especially when no one is saying anything to the occupants other than "let us in or we'll blow the doors off"
If you were there for a failure to stop do you need that number of officers?
Is resorting to taking a compound by force over a minor incident even applicable? Your suspect can't just live there forever. They have to leave eventually.
If there's an event involving the vast majority of the major criminal organisations, maybe don't attack it when they're all still very much there and on scene. There's no reason to turn a wedding into a gunfight when you could pick them up silently afterwards, or as they come out and leave. The building had one exit which I believe was painfully discovered upon officers attempting to escape. These are dangerous, hardened criminals and they aren't going down as a group without a fight, let alone when they know you're upsetting every other criminal organisation and their dog around them.
If a police officer approaches me and gives me what I would term "stupid" roleplay. Like "Leave the area or I'll deem you involved and shoot you." Expect to get "stupid" roleplay back. Especially from a gang member. They're going to tell you just where to go stuff yourself and they aren't going to be kind about it.
This is a roleplay server. If you haven't got the man power to arrest people that don't want to "move along citizen" and roleplay a scenario because you're too busy trying to win a gunfight then I'm afraid you should just ignore them and suck it up. The number of people killed each year because they were gawping at situations from what is as it turns out unfortunately for them not a safe distance, in the states is high.
A lot of negative situations would be avoided if the police service as a whole was less aggressive. As others have said, there's a time and a place and it's too easy to get a reaction out of the police, people's characters need to chill out and develop a little. It would be lovely to have serious roleplay drama with a police officer but it all seems far too highly strung. It's not the end of the world if a bunch of Ballas on bicycles ride past with their fingers up at you.
One of the better things to come out of the police recently was the CID corruption. It was cool that CID officers were picking up a gang member and beating them within an inch of their life over a situation. It was exciting that you could grease the wheels of CID in the direction of other gangs for a favour for your own. It added personality to the officers involved and helped create storylines involving the police that don't just revolve around us against them or reactions to crimes
Hello
@Qrow
I understand your perspective and what it must be like interacting with the police sometimes, esspecially in tense and high adrenaline situations.
One thing I think is important, and an issue with both sides of conflict is that both sides rarely see each others perspective, even if they try to, they will never have experienced the situation with the same information that the actual oppositition did, from the police perspective, we may have held information on someone and not actioned it imedietely for whatever reason but then a week later when we action it, everyone is confused and irritated due to lack of information, which circles back to your point of communication.
I 100% agree communication is an issue, personally an issue I feel is in every Faction/Group/Gang within the server and whilst it can be improved, it is highly likely it will ever be so smooth we wont have an issue at all, whilst we can provide advice and implement rules we cannot force good solid communications.
It is encouraged within the Police by senior officers to not have to deal with everything as it happens, you are able to collect intelligence and action it at a later date, esspecially if you are not equiped to deal with the issue, ultimately it comes down to common sense and officers need to use their discretion, Seniors will direct these situations when they are there but when they are not we rely that officers will make the right decision.
Whilst I wish I could tell you we will eventually get to a stage where the police will never make the wrong decision, unfortunately we do, we have to aim to educate and improve, a constant process.
I agree with you that officers need to allow their characters to develop and not be so robotic at times, roleplay is and always should be the focus, again this is not something we can do for officers but something they must learn themselves.
In regards to CID Corruption, whilst some officers in the past who have been corrupt have made very good roleplay situations and stories, others have not, whilst it can be benificial, like anything, too much of it can result in a negative effect, we want to avoid a stigma other agencys have previously obtained that " All of them are corrupt " but encourage others to venture into deep stories with their characters.
Hope this gives some insight,
Thanks.
Supt Kingston.
