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Just now, Skovgaard said:

So me being in a specific coloured outfit = High RP Standard for you?

 

With you being a member of the Judiciar,  you should be fully aware of how much power a "simple" cop holds on the server.

Even now with how police are basicly "immune" to being robbed, we have solo officers most not even gun trained rocking up on turfs trying to arrest people.

 

I agree with this, Police value their life even less now that you can't rob them. Or at least it's very very hard to. I had one the other day held up and he said "hope ur enjoy the broken equipment". like really?

Police have got a lot of power to do things, which i have no issue with, but whether someone wears a gang color or not should be 100% up to them.

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3 hours ago, Skovgaard said:

So me being in a specific coloured outfit = High RP Standard for you?

 

With you being a member of the Judiciar,  you should be fully aware of how much power a "simple" cop holds on the server.

Even now with how police are basicly "immune" to being robbed, we have solo officers most not even gun trained rocking up on turfs trying to arrest people.

 

no a brain is what gives good rp, the uniform helps  to identify someone who might have more of a brain than the average player thats all. 

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It sounds to me from reading this thread that perhaps a review of police powers for search and seizure needs to be reviewed to encourage gang members to wear colours more actively?

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6 hours ago, MobExe said:

I had one the other day held up and he said "hope ur enjoy the broken equipment". like really?

Do you have footage of this?

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27 minutes ago, Liam said:

had one the other day held up and he said "hope ur enjoy the broken equipment". like really?

Please please please even OOC bring this stuff to police commands attention so we can actually do something about the attitude of officers. If we don’t know anything we can’t change it 

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hasnt this got a bit off track?

 

The guy was saying he didnt notice people in colours when he visited turfs while giving his friend a tour, not while out doing naughty stuff.

Ballas are always in colour on turf, maybe when this guy had a tour, gangs were just out busy with things, I see gangs in colour on thier own turfs all the time.

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It's opened up a discussion which was needed though. Whitelisted gangs are representing the server. They are front and centre the advertising for everyone else and have had dev time committed to enhancing their rp potential, so it is right to ask them what are they giving back. Despite a few salty responses (relevant all the same) it does need bringing up so that people can see it and think about it even if they don't reply. 

You can't bomb an idea after all. 

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19 hours ago, MobExe said:

Mate, imagine this. You rob a shop in gang colors and then fail to stop for the police. They know who you are. They know what gang you are a member of and the reg plate of the vehicle that you were driving. This vehicle is then pulled out of a car park, scrapped, and then you get a warrant for the shop robbery. That is just not fun. I'm not losing cars that I've bought when it can be avoided.

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Just wanna comment on this. From a police perspective we have to meet very strict conditions before we are able to consider scrapping cars. Based on what you have said they have not been met from robbing just one shop.These are set out by the courts, the process requires approval from 3 members of police command and a court judge before we can start pulling stuff out. The amount of time we spend gathering intel and writing up paperwork is insane.It takes a good 30 - 60 mins of admin to get everything in order. and there is still a chance the court will decline it. same applies to bans on driving licences. if 1 report relating to that ban request is even slightly wrong the court just reject it. and rightly so. we have to prove where every single point comes from and that it was fair to issue the points out.

 

Also can you see from the police's side how sometimes there is no other choice. People prefer prison over points / fines which is TOTALLY wrong. if you commit a road traffic offence you should get points against you for it. When some people literally run away from the police daily and start high speed purists which we cannot carry on as your car is too quick or its way too dangerous we have no really no other choice but to start removing cars from people. If you are banned from driving and get caught driving 6 times like someone I know and get fined each time and just don't pay it, what can the police really do? "Please pay your fines?" "lol no get off my turf before you die" or when you rack up large amounts and just refuse to pay. one guy had fines going back a year. couldn't care until his car was pending scrap. Now he is desperate to pay them off. People's inaction / selective ignorance towards traffic offences and fines means robust and forcefull action is the only way to get through to people.

     

 My final point on this is the Road Crime Team that handles all this stuff literally does not care about what gang you are in. YOU commit traffic offences/crimes whether you represent a gang or not is completely irrelevant.

     

    I'm not sure if the document that outlines the policy we follow is protectively marked so if you want to find out the number of hoops and level of detail we need to meet before we can take action ask a solicitor in RP to explain it to you. (if they are allowed to)

 

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54 minutes ago, MidWipCrisis said:

    Hi Mate

Just wanna comment on this. From a police perspective we have to meet very strict conditions before we are able to consider scrapping cars. Based on what you have said they have not been met from robbing just one shop.These are set out by the courts, the process requires approval from 3 members of police command and a court judge before we can start pulling stuff out. The amount of time we spend gathering intel and writing up paperwork is insane.It takes a good 30 - 60 mins of admin to get everything in order. and there is still a chance the court will decline it. same applies to bans on driving licences. if 1 report relating to that ban request is even slightly wrong the court just reject it. and rightly so. we have to prove where every single point comes from and that it was fair to issue the points out.

 

Also can you see from the police's side how sometimes there is no other choice. People prefer prison over points / fines which is TOTALLY wrong. if you commit a road traffic offence you should get points against you for it. When some people literally run away from the police daily and start high speed purists which we cannot carry on as your car is too quick or its way too dangerous we have no really no other choice but to start removing cars from people. If you are banned from driving and get caught driving 6 times like someone I know and get fined each time and just don't pay it, what can the police really do? "Please pay your fines?" "lol no get off my turf before you die" or when you rack up large amounts and just refuse to pay. one guy had fines going back a year. couldn't care until his car was pending scrap. Now he is desperate to pay them off. People's inaction / selective ignorance towards traffic offences and fines means robust and forcefull action is the only way to get through to people.

     

 My final point on this is the Road Crime Team that handles all this stuff literally does not care about what gang you are in. YOU commit traffic offences/crimes whether you represent a gang or not is completely irrelevant.

     

    I'm not sure if the document that outlines the policy we follow is protectively marked so if you want to find out the number of hoops and level of detail we need to meet before we can take action ask a solicitor in RP to explain it to you. (if they are allowed to)

 

At the end of the day there has to be some realism to the server, I get that. I have a cop character as well as a gang member and from a gang member's perspective/criminal's perspective it's just not fun. You come on the server to have fun with the people you're interacting with. I know for a fact that for 1x Dangerous driving offence along with 1x Failure to stop for police the maximum amount of points is 20. This means after one chase with police you're no longer allowed to buy a car, no longer allowed to drive anywhere. It's as if you're just not able to play a criminal at all. For people like myself that have been on the server for over a year we see things a lot differently. People graft for cars, not just given everything. From what I've seen, over the past 2 weeks there's been over 15 scraps from gang members so I've been told. So we're lead to believe if we do ANYTHING in the slightest against the law we have all the fun taken away.

Surely it is fun for police to get in chases with criminals? Surely it's fun to have hostage RP so why punish all these things? There is prison time and FPNs for a reason and people are too quick to say "Oh yeah. Scrap it."

1 minute ago, PJ Shinoda-Adams said:

Also can you see from the police's side how sometimes there is no other choice. People prefer prison over points / fines which is TOTALLY wrong. if you commit a road traffic offence you should get points against you for it. When some people literally run away from the police daily and start high speed purists which we cannot carry on as your car is too quick or its way too dangerous we have no really no other choice but to start removing cars from people. If you are banned from driving and get caught driving 6 times like someone I know and get fined each time and just don't pay it, what can the police really do? "Please pay your fines?" "lol no get off my turf before you die" or when you rack up large amounts and just refuse to pay. one guy had fines going back a year. couldn't care until his car was pending scrap. Now he is desperate to pay them off. People's inaction / selective ignorance towards traffic offences and fines means robust and forcefull action is the only way to get through to people.

Why instead of scrapping vehicles are police not made to take people to court and ACTUALLY RP like us civilians are made to? It would give lawyers a lot more to do as well as become more active, then the judges decide through a court proceeding what cars are going to be taken IF the tickets aren't paid. In the real world, people's cars aren't just taken and scrapped if tickets are overdue. There's a court proceeding to determine the outcome of what should happen.

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The Judiciary has the final say on the scrappage of assets. It isnt taken lightly. A LOT of effort goes into car scrapping cases and a LOT are rejected out of hand. 

 

Also if you want to have a car and drive like a twat and have fun and not pay any fines you can still do this...... maybe think about STEALING the car first..... Theres plenty of car thief RP out there. I know a couple of brilliant ones. If youre stupid enough to be a twat in your own car and dumb enough to get caught then you absolutely deserve to get your car scrapped when using a small amount of planning/forethought and some sense can easily avoid these issues. 

Alternatively, just pay your fines. Be good for .... a month? and then appeal to get your license back. The appeal process is simple, effective and easy to follow and generally you get your license back more often than not as the punishment is built into the process. 

We in the judiciary are elected for our ability to see things from multiple points of view, not just that of the individual but what is also good for the server as a whole and FUN is the bottom line. Fun for you is not always fun for someone else so there is a fine line here, because guess what kids.... thats life. 

 

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People go out of colours to protect the gang. If you are seen committing crimes in your gang colours you run the risk of getting your whole gang fucked with. It is simply better to be full black and masked up than be caught wearing identifiable clothing. The police raid your house, raid all your vehicles, scrap your cars, stop & search anyone wearing the same clothing. If you wear gang clothing and commit any crimes, you put a target not just on your back but your gang's backs too.

I've been on both sides of this. I've heard officers state in pursuits that the car is getting scrapped before the pursuit has even ended. Like it's their personal vendetta just to fuck over this person. I don't understand it. I've seen cars impounded for a failure to stop and just because they caused an annoyance the car has been impounded for 100k. The police/gang meta is toxic and there's bad on both sides. Except an angry police man can do way more damage than an angry gang member.

In my opinion scrapping cars is unnecessary and quite often turn toxic. Stop and searches can become personal and grievances turn into long term vendettas. Some gangs deserve crackdowns and some people deserve harsher punishments, but I don't believe people deserve property to be taken from them unless they have broken specific server rules. It's not fun and it's not fair. Criminality is part of the server and the consequences for that should be custodial sentences, whether that be in the form of extended sentences or life imprisonment.

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47 minutes ago, William Antrim said:

We in the judiciary are elected for our ability to see things from multiple points of view, not just that of the individual but what is also good for the server as a whole and FUN is the bottom line. Fun for you is not always fun for someone else so there is a fine line here, because guess what kids.... thats life. 

This is the problem some don't see it as that and play it as an individual. And play the game of lets ruin this guy's experience completely.

47 minutes ago, William Antrim said:

Also if you want to have a car and drive like a twat and have fun and not pay any fines you can still do this...... maybe think about STEALING the car first..... Theres plenty of car thief RP out there. I know a couple of brilliant ones. If youre stupid enough to be a twat in your own car and dumb enough to get caught then you absolutely deserve to get your car scrapped when using a small amount of planning/forethought and some sense can easily avoid these issues. 

Just having your car ANPRed for Speeding is enough to have it scraped these days.

As for the don't do crime and you don't take repercussions kinda of argument i am just gonna say would you like to play police if there was no crime and you would have nothing to do?

Exactly you wouldn't either you want it or not gangs and police give each other RP if one can't RP how they are supposed to RP (like criminals for example) than how you suppose they would go about doing gang stuff or even calling themselves a gang and how would police be playing the server if there was no one to arrest or chase.

47 minutes ago, William Antrim said:

Alternatively, just pay your fines. Be good for .... a month? and then appeal to get your license back. The appeal process is simple, effective and easy to follow and generally you get your license back more often than not as the punishment is built into the process. 

As for appealing your license back i have heard (from someone i know that has 1 banned)  that it's really complicated and usually 1 month isn't enough to appeal it.

44 minutes ago, ErnieW said:

I've been on both sides of this. I've heard officers state in pursuits that the car is getting scrapped before the pursuit has even ended. Like it's their personal vendetta just to fuck over this person. I don't understand it. I've seen cars impounded for a failure to stop and just because they caused an annoyance the car has been impounded for 100k. The police/gang meta is toxic and there's bad on both sides. Except an angry police man can do way more damage than an angry gang member.

This is so true, I agree there is always bad apples on both sides and that probably won't change but like it was said in this comment an angry gang member the max he can (could do in the past i guess) was get your gear and dump you and be done with it and take like 1 hour of your time, while an angry police officer can just impound your car for like 100k / Scrap it / 720 months in prison there is a lot of things that could be mentioned.

Sometimes it does look like some personal vendetta when the higher sentences get mentioned just because you don't like the guy and not so much of what he actually did in game.

44 minutes ago, ErnieW said:

I've been on both sides of this. I've heard officers state in pursuits that the car is getting scrapped before the pursuit has even ended. Like it's their personal vendetta just to fuck over this person. I don't understand it. I've seen cars impounded for a failure to stop and just because they caused an annoyance the car has been impounded for 100k. The police/gang meta is toxic and there's bad on both sides. Except an angry police man can do way more damage than an angry gang member.

Just the other day one my mates got chased by cops for speeding after they stopped him they threatened to scrap the car, this happens wayyyyyy to often.

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35 minutes ago, Bmav said:

This is the problem some don't see it as that and play it as an individual. And play the game of lets ruin this guy's experience completely.

Just having your car ANPRed for Speeding is enough to have it scraped these days.

As for the don't do crime and you don't take repercussions kinda of argument i am just gonna say would you like to play police if there was no crime and you would have nothing to do?

Exactly you wouldn't either you want it or not gangs and police give each other RP if one can't RP how they are supposed to RP (like criminals for example) than how you suppose they would go about doing gang stuff or even calling themselves a gang and how would police be playing the server if there was no one to arrest or chase.

As for appealing your license back i have heard (from someone i know that has 1 banned)  that it's really complicated and usually 1 month isn't enough to appeal it.

This is so true, I agree there is always bad apples on both sides and that probably won't change but like it was said in this comment an angry gang member the max he can (could do in the past i guess) was get your gear and dump you and be done with it and take like 1 hour of your time, while an angry police officer can just impound your car for like 100k / Scrap it / 720 months in prison there is a lot of things that could be mentioned.

Sometimes it does look like some personal vendetta when the higher sentences get mentioned just because you don't like the guy and not so much of what he actually did in game.

Just the other day one my mates got chased by cops for speeding after they stopped him they threatened to scrap the car, this happens wayyyyyy to often.

 

So there are only 6 or so officers in the Road Crime team who handle this, I think the numbers you are referring to are massively inflated. To my knowledge its only 9 cars since the new year. 100K impound is part of the court process for scrapping. All cases of scrapping are tracked and intelligence lead. We get told about people that are causing trouble and we look into it. It's not normally the officer that catches you.

 

Speeding is NOT enough to get your car scrapped. You have to commit serious offences on multiple occasions and all the evidence must be in the report or the requests get rejected.

 

As previously stated it always comes down the court ruling for the scrap requests. They are impartial and more often than not reject requests we submit.

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2 hours ago, PJ Shinoda-Adams said:

At the end of the day there has to be some realism to the server, I get that. I have a cop character as well as a gang member and from a gang member's perspective/criminal's perspective it's just not fun. You come on the server to have fun with the people you're interacting with. I know for a fact that for 1x Dangerous driving offence along with 1x Failure to stop for police the maximum amount of points is 20. This means after one chase with police you're no longer allowed to buy a car, no longer allowed to drive anywhere. It's as if you're just not able to play a criminal at all. For people like myself that have been on the server for over a year we see things a lot differently. People graft for cars, not just given everything. From what I've seen, over the past 2 weeks there's been over 15 scraps from gang members so I've been told. So we're lead to believe if we do ANYTHING in the slightest against the law we have all the fun taken away.

Surely it is fun for police to get in chases with criminals? Surely it's fun to have hostage RP so why punish all these things? There is prison time and FPNs for a reason and people are too quick to say "Oh yeah. Scrap it."

Why instead of scrapping vehicles are police not made to take people to court and ACTUALLY RP like us civilians are made to? It would give lawyers a lot more to do as well as become more active, then the judges decide through a court proceeding what cars are going to be taken IF the tickets aren't paid. In the real world, people's cars aren't just taken and scrapped if tickets are overdue. There's a court proceeding to determine the outcome of what should happen.

But then in the real world if you are caught delaing drugs the police don't need a warrant to kick your door in and search for more. doing over 100 MPH is an instant ban, a gang war style shoot out like there has been for the past few weeks would result in every single house getting raided. as examples. there has to be a balance between police powers like there has to be with gangs. The Government always have power and control over everyone. They should be people running the city. using the police as instruments to enforce. There needs to be a fine balance of how that power is used in RP otherwise i agree it starts to impact on how fun it is for the people.

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On 21/01/2022 at 17:50, William Antrim said:

So i was showing a friend around the city the other day as hes never RP'ed before but had heard about it and id talked quite extensively about it, explaining the gang stuff and all of that. As i was doing my best recruitment pitch he said something that struck me as odd. He asked where all the gang members are. it suddenly dawned on me that there seem to be barely any gang members visible now. We went to a few of the different hoods - I am not going to name names because this isnt a troll thread - and there were very few actually wearing any kind of colours. 

Honestly this was massively disappointing. The gangs are one of the things that make this server great, i remember the time before gangs came along and it was a good time but it got so much better with the addition of the turfs and the turf wars and stuff. it made the game more vibrant and colourful and ultimately gave us much better RP. I never bothered to join any of the gangs because i was busy doing my own thing but it was always nice seeing a load of purple fly past or a load of yellow off on another turf war, but you rarely see it now. What changed guys? 

I understand youre a target for the police when you wear your colours but come on now.... you have all the benefits of a gang, exclusive parking spaces, access to work benches, gang safes and a bunch of other stuff I am sure im not privy to but what are you doing to help grow the community and the server? If youre not wearing your colours then why are you in the gang? I remember one of the rules of being in the white listed gangs originally was you had to be in your colours when you were doing gang stuff - this helped others to see who you were and help the server by providing some "villains" for the new players to see and interact with. Its sad that that has gone. It was a unique selling point for the server and its disappointing that its gone away. 

Dont get me wrong I have seen a couple of the gangs being represented still - I wont shout out who for fear of favouritism and bias but you know who you are and thank you for doing it - but the rest of you seriously need to think about the community a little more. The Lost MC wear their cuts, the Police wear their uniform, so do the NHS, plenty of the gangs have their cars all one colour but come on - wear those uniforms too please! be proud of what you have and what you represent. Theres a veritable bucket load of new clothing now - if you need something in your "colour" then put it in the suggestion forum - i am pretty certain that it will be quite easy to get new variations/colours of clothing fairly easily. 

So gang leaders I implore you to set some standards for your gangs, the standards you set are the standards you get. dust off those colours now eh and represent! 

The server needs the gangs easily as much as it needs new police members and new NHS and the rest. 

Wear your colours with pride please!  😄

 

thank you. 

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Tbh most times I drive past gang turfs I always see that gang representing their colours. Maybe when you were giving your mate a tour of the city all the gangs were just doing other things away from their turfs. Your not gonna have ppl sitting on their turf 24/7. You always see gangs out and about in their colours wether that be in the mines or smeltery, on their turf or just driving about. 
 

When it comes to committing crime such as a shop robbery of course ppl will most likely be out of colours. What’s the point in baiting yourself out like that and giving the police an easy investigation? When it comes to wars gangs have to be in their colours. When people sell drugs they are most likely out of colours. Why would i want police to see me in full vagos colours selling drugs. This would just lead to a possible raid which is not what any gang wants.

just need to realise gangs are in their colours a lot of the time and you most likely got unlucky. 

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I don’t understand why you want criminals to act stupid just to make it easier for the police. You can’t expect all of this from gangs if police aren’t going to act how you are describing. 
for example, I was shot on my turf in colours. I laid there for around 10 minutes until I was found. I was being driven to hospital when I was noticed by police injured in a car. We were pulled over and I was hand cuffed and searched because there were shots fired at Vagos and I’m clearly a Vagos member. So for reppin my turf and getting shot I got searched lost what I had on me and got arrested. There was no evidence or proof I was involved I was simply connected to shots fired by the colour I was wearing. If I’m not in my colours that doesn’t happen and the 5 hours I spent grinding for what I had doesn’t go to waste. Another example, if a gang is shooting at another gang and using Vagos as an example, the vehicle is yellow. If there are shots and vagos are seen leaving the area any yellow vehicle left behind at the scene is getting scrapped if only 1 person out of 5 survives and let’s say a rumpo was left at the scene, the driver has automatically lost his gun (acceptable) and over 1 million worth of vehicle for the sake of 1 shootout. Police push harder than ever now to scrap any vehicle involved in crime at the same time money making is been made harder and harder. 
day to day I think every gang reps colours but you have to also remember just because a turf is empty doesn’t mean they are doing something else. Gangs could be off having meetings and doing deals, mining/smelting or money making somewhere else. A lot of gangs do spend a bit of time just chilling around turf but you can only do it so much when you could spend that time being more productive or off visiting other people and chatting. 

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It seems like we are getting to the root cause of why you don't wear colours now. So thank you for that contribution. 

Does this mean that police powers need to be reigned in? Its not hard to make money in this game I don't believe that at all sorry. But the rest of the points are valid. Outside of a gun what else do you have on you that's valuable? A knife? 

Probably less than £10k worth of stuff for most people id hazard a guess at. 

If police stop you then they should be allowed to question you yes and find out what has happened to you. Thats normal in colours or out of them but they're moving this on to a search based on your answer then there clearly needs to be sle regulation on that. Is this what is putting you off? 

If gangs don't wear their colours then what is the point of white listed gangs? Do you see my point? All of that dev time has gone to waste because you're not using the assets you were provided with and that's honestly a shame. 

This isn't directed at anyone in particular but more a food for thought statement:

If you don't like the consequences of being in a recognisable street gang then perhaps you shouldn't be in one. 

There's an old saying, something about having your cake and eating it. 

When the gangs were first introduced they were strictly told if you're on turf you're in your colours and you play the rp as it plays out. Sometimes this means you get questioned and detained and searched by police as yes this happens irl. This is rp. It may not be what you want to do at that moment but that's the way it goes sometimes. 

I do wonder if its a good thing to bring that back? I'd absolutely be ok with it if it gave better rp. 

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4 hours ago, William Antrim said:

When the gangs were first introduced they were strictly told if you're on turf you're in your colours and you play the rp as it plays out. Sometimes this means you get questioned and detained and searched by police as yes this happens irl. This is rp. It may not be what you want to do at that moment but that's the way it goes sometimes.

I dont remember this ever being a rule? I've been on the server from before the gangs were even introduced and never heard of this.

In regards to being in a gang, we take measures to not get raided, to be smarter when doing crime because guess what? Police don't always RP to the best of their ability. Same as gangs. Nobody's perfect and the game's not perfect and we need to all realise we're here to play RP on a game as a character and not ourselves. Nothing to do with "having your cake and eating it".

Gang's don't wanna do something then they won't? Wearing colours doesn't help the RP but helps police and other people identify us so idk why this is even brought up

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7 hours ago, William Antrim said:

It seems like we are getting to the root cause of why you don't wear colours now. So thank you for that contribution. 

Does this mean that police powers need to be reigned in? Its not hard to make money in this game I don't believe that at all sorry. But the rest of the points are valid. Outside of a gun what else do you have on you that's valuable? A knife? 

Probably less than £10k worth of stuff for most people id hazard a guess at. 

If police stop you then they should be allowed to question you yes and find out what has happened to you. Thats normal in colours or out of them but they're moving this on to a search based on your answer then there clearly needs to be sle regulation on that. Is this what is putting you off? 

If gangs don't wear their colours then what is the point of white listed gangs? Do you see my point? All of that dev time has gone to waste because you're not using the assets you were provided with and that's honestly a shame. 

This isn't directed at anyone in particular but more a food for thought statement:

If you don't like the consequences of being in a recognisable street gang then perhaps you shouldn't be in one. 

There's an old saying, something about having your cake and eating it. 

When the gangs were first introduced they were strictly told if you're on turf you're in your colours and you play the rp as it plays out. Sometimes this means you get questioned and detained and searched by police as yes this happens irl. This is rp. It may not be what you want to do at that moment but that's the way it goes sometimes. 

I do wonder if its a good thing to bring that back? I'd absolutely be ok with it if it gave better rp. 

It depends what you consider decent money. For example an uzi and enough ammo will run you Atleast 500k, that’s not pocket change and to lose that over something stupid like being identifiable is painful. Imo the police do need to reign in the constant searching because a lot of the time the grounds aren’t realistic it’s just game knowledge of gangs etc and knowing what we are usually up to. 
I’m always in colours on my turf, it’s when I’m off it and doing other things I’m probably not and just blending in. 

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On 23/01/2022 at 17:25, Skovgaard said:

So me being in a specific coloured outfit = High RP Standard for you?

 

With you being a member of the Judiciar,  you should be fully aware of how much power a "simple" cop holds on the server.

Even now with how police are basicly "immune" to being robbed, we have solo officers most not even gun trained rocking up on turfs trying to arrest people.

 

cops solo crewing with no back up into a turf is a dumb idea and to be honest deserves to be robbed if they do something which i consider to be a high risk area basically making yourself vulnerable and really is getting your self hooked on value to life rule where if one or two more guys jump you then the hole turf what can you do your just one cop against a hole gang in the turf

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8 hours ago, William Antrim said:

If you don't like the consequences of being in a recognisable street gang then perhaps you shouldn't be in one. 

So you are expecting for gangs to just pull down their pants and let police go up their asses 24/7. 

Well if that's the suggestion i don't think anyone will be in a gang mate.

I honestly don't think people should be punished for deciding what to do with their character, like jason barnes said right now the cheapest weapon for you to get is a standard and that with enough ammo it will cost you around 250k at the very least, for your information selling drugs right now is the most profitable way to earn money in the server and for you to be able to buy a standard you need to be selling for at least 3-4 hours (considering there might be some inconveniences obviously).

And no don't come with the why don't you just do taxi it's safe and police won't be arresting you for doing it. Well i don't think it makes sense for gang member to be doing taxing to earn money doesn't really make sense if you ask me.

The fact of us doing every crime in colors just makes for us getting raided even more times than we already are.

Like i said in my previous comments i don't think gang life should be more complicated than what it is at the moment, if you watch the "Roadmap/Not really a roadmap" thread you can see that even the development team has acknowledged that we hit the extreme opposite in terms of how much it costs to get a gun these days.

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Nobody said commit crimes in your colours. If you've got issues with the supply of guns then make a thread and discuss a better solution. I merely supplied some food for thought. If you disagree with it that's absolutely fine but people are making arguments without really thinking them through. 

If you walk around with an uzi in your pocket and lose it that's on you. Be smart about what you're doing but also think about the level of rp you're contributing to the server and community and not just about yourself is what I'm saying. 

All of the arguments against my suggestions have been focused on what you lose as an individual. It makes me think sometimes people have missed the bigger picture is all. 

If you have issue with other aspects of the game then come up with ideas to fix them rather than using them as ammunition to shoot down someone elses thought. 

Does this make more sense?  

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