Allow Illegal Hunting

[Rouble]

Brief suggestion: Allow illegal hunting

Detailed suggestion: Allow everyone to hunt illegally, so people who can't get a license, can still hunt and get the fur, meat, and leather. Consequences of illegal hunting should be severe, so maybe some PNC changes may have to be made but I'm pretty sure there's already a few laws regarding illegal hunting.

Pros: - People who have criminal records don't have to wait 6 months to get a hunting license
- Everyone can do it
- Rangers can actually be actively looking for illegal hunters which gives them more to do.

Cons: None that I can think of

Does it ruin the servers economy: Potentially reduces price of leather since more people can do it, which in turn could reduce the price of armour.

 

[Rouble]

You would have access to all the needed equipment whereas crims would have to find a way to get a hunting rifle or go around killing animals with melee. You also would not have any risk of being arrested for it, crims don't care about their records but they would all rather not get arrested when possible. If crims were caught all of their equipment and illegally gotten animal products would be seized. Obviously rangers can't much on their own to prevent it but they can gather information and work with the police to catch people.

Crims could use pistols for hunting but that runs the risk of alerting police and the cost of pistol ammo is more than the price of hunting ammo so you are lowering the profit you make if you do that.

This is perfectly said

 

[Rouble]

I think with the rangers and rural police working together there is potential for illegal hunting but I would agree that this is a perk of being “legal” and would be a bit of a kick in the teeth to the guys who are fully legal

People who are fully legal won't be affected by this as they are legal for other reasons and being a hunter is a perk for them for not being a crim.

I would like to hear the rangers opinions on it, when I was a ranger there was very little interaction with hunters and generally I felt in my opinion nothing to do other than hunt(this was a while back and things could be different now) this could build some interesting storylines trying to catch the illegal hunters, figure out who’s supplying rifles to them etc.

I agree, this would make for some interesting storylines which involve the rangers.

 

[Silas Green]

Brief suggestion: Allow illegal hunting

Detailed suggestion: Allow everyone to hunt illegally, so people who can't get a license, can still hunt and get the fur, meat, and leather. Consequences of illegal hunting should be severe, so maybe some PNC changes may have to be made but I'm pretty sure there's already a few laws regarding illegal hunting.

Pros: - People who have criminal records don't have to wait 6 months to get a hunting license
- Everyone can do it
- Rangers can actually be actively looking for illegal hunters which gives them more to do.

Cons: None that I can think of

Does it ruin the servers economy: Potentially reduces price of leather since more people can do it, which in turn could reduce the price of armour.

Hello!

+1 To poaching/illegal hunting, we already have made a detailed suggestion for this ourselves as there is a lot to consider when you look at this feature.

Thought I should throw in my feelings on this, as it is something myself and the other rangers have talked about a number of times, and put a lot of time into thinking how this would work. I'll go over my opinion on your pros, cons and the impact on the economy.

Pros:

"People who have criminal records don't have to wait 6 months to get a hunting license" - There are many RP routes that can be taken to get around this.
"Everyone can do it" - I don't believe everyone should be able to do everything, doesn't always make sense for peoples characters.
"Rangers can actually be actively looking for illegal hunters which gives them more to do." - I do agree with this one, but that can lead to trouble if not implemented correctly.

"Potentially reduces price of leather since more people can do it, which in turn could reduce the price of armour." - Hunting as it currently stands pays pretty middle of the pack compared to other jobs in the city due to current leather and meat prices, which makes it more worth people doing it as a job, if those prices lower to what they use to be, it makes it significantly less worth it and I believe it would mostly lead to just crims and gang members doing hunting for the sake of getting leather.

My Opinions on Illegal Hunting

Benefits:
- More RP opportunities for rangers and rural crimes
- More populated hunting spots
- More RP for hunters who could sell hunting equipment to poachers


Concerns:
- Currently, rangers don't have the powers to police an influx of illegal hunters, we would need ways to protect ourselves, potentially means to detain people, and more legal powers. Although some of those can be solved with RP, others would require changes to the rangers. While we can work with rural, if there are lots of illgeal hunters suddenly, we basically need them around all the time to just do our job, which kind of invalidates the rangers.
- Many gangs would end up farming materials over buying them from other people, like they do with the mines currently, which I think leaves to less RP encounters.
- If not implemented correctly, rangers could become pointless as many people wouldn't go through the process of becoming a legal hunter.
- Removes one of the few benefits for a person remaining a mostly legal citizen.
- There are a few things that you can do when hunting that are classed as exploiting, without us doing inductions, there is a risk a lot of people would end up doing these things without realising they are considered an exploit, an example:

Well one of the cons would be you need to use your own weapons, or run them over with your car. Or better yet, bring back hunting rifles but at higher prices

Running over animals and then skinning them isn't allowed and is one of the things we go over during the hunting inductions we do.

Seeing how 13+ O'Woods are being banned from hunting due to simply carrying the strong O'Wood name this is a big +1

This really is something to be handled in Roleplay, but as it's here, this isn't currently the case.

 

[VeganVlad/Harold O'Wood]

Hello!

+1 To poaching/illegal hunting, we already have made a detailed suggestion for this ourselves as there is a lot to consider when you look at this feature.

Thought I should throw in my feelings on this, as it is something myself and the other rangers have talked about a number of times, and put a lot of time into thinking how this would work. I'll go over my opinion on your pros, cons and the impact on the economy.

Pros:

"People who have criminal records don't have to wait 6 months to get a hunting license" - There are many RP routes that can be taken to get around this.
"Everyone can do it" - I don't believe everyone should be able to do everything, doesn't always make sense for peoples characters.
"Rangers can actually be actively looking for illegal hunters which gives them more to do." - I do agree with this one, but that can lead to trouble if not implemented correctly.

"Potentially reduces price of leather since more people can do it, which in turn could reduce the price of armour." - Hunting as it currently stands pays pretty middle of the pack compared to other jobs in the city due to current leather and meat prices, which makes it more worth people doing it as a job, if those prices lower to what they use to be, it makes it significantly less worth it and I believe it would mostly lead to just crims and gang members doing hunting for the sake of getting leather.

My Opinions on Illegal Hunting

Benefits:
- More RP opportunities for rangers and rural crimes
- More populated hunting spots
- More RP for hunters who could sell hunting equipment to poachers


Concerns:
- Currently, rangers don't have the powers to police an influx of illegal hunters, we would need ways to protect ourselves, potentially means to detain people, and more legal powers. Although some of those can be solved with RP, others would require changes to the rangers. While we can work with rural, if there are lots of illgeal hunters suddenly, we basically need them around all the time to just do our job, which kind of invalidates the rangers.
- Many gangs would end up farming materials over buying them from other people, like they do with the mines currently, which I think leaves to less RP encounters.
- If not implemented correctly, rangers could become pointless as many people wouldn't go through the process of becoming a legal hunter.
- Removes one of the few benefits for a person remaining a mostly legal citizen.
- There are a few things that you can do when hunting that are classed as exploiting, without us doing inductions, there is a risk a lot of people would end up doing these things without realising they are considered an exploit, an example:

Running over animals and then skinning them isn't allowed and is one of the things we go over during the hunting inductions we do.

This really is something to be handled in Roleplay, but as it's here, this isn't currently the case.

I did not mean it as a dig btw its great RP, The O'Woods have been told IC that this is the case. its interesting RP to keep it that way

 

[Taelor]

Rocks an sling shots stun the animal for you to stab it and kill it just a little thought puts you at risk of being eaten I guess but either way I like the idea of this maybe have it so hunters can get everything and poachers only get leather

 

[Rouble]

Hello!

+1 To poaching/illegal hunting, we already have made a detailed suggestion for this ourselves as there is a lot to consider when you look at this feature.

Thought I should throw in my feelings on this, as it is something myself and the other rangers have talked about a number of times, and put a lot of time into thinking how this would work. I'll go over my opinion on your pros, cons and the impact on the economy.

Pros:

"People who have criminal records don't have to wait 6 months to get a hunting license" - There are many RP routes that can be taken to get around this.
"Everyone can do it" - I don't believe everyone should be able to do everything, doesn't always make sense for peoples characters.
"Rangers can actually be actively looking for illegal hunters which gives them more to do." - I do agree with this one, but that can lead to trouble if not implemented correctly.

"Potentially reduces price of leather since more people can do it, which in turn could reduce the price of armour." - Hunting as it currently stands pays pretty middle of the pack compared to other jobs in the city due to current leather and meat prices, which makes it more worth people doing it as a job, if those prices lower to what they use to be, it makes it significantly less worth it and I believe it would mostly lead to just crims and gang members doing hunting for the sake of getting leather.

My Opinions on Illegal Hunting

Benefits:
- More RP opportunities for rangers and rural crimes
- More populated hunting spots
- More RP for hunters who could sell hunting equipment to poachers


Concerns:
- Currently, rangers don't have the powers to police an influx of illegal hunters, we would need ways to protect ourselves, potentially means to detain people, and more legal powers. Although some of those can be solved with RP, others would require changes to the rangers. While we can work with rural, if there are lots of illgeal hunters suddenly, we basically need them around all the time to just do our job, which kind of invalidates the rangers.
- Many gangs would end up farming materials over buying them from other people, like they do with the mines currently, which I think leaves to less RP encounters.
- If not implemented correctly, rangers could become pointless as many people wouldn't go through the process of becoming a legal hunter.
- Removes one of the few benefits for a person remaining a mostly legal citizen.
- There are a few things that you can do when hunting that are classed as exploiting, without us doing inductions, there is a risk a lot of people would end up doing these things without realising they are considered an exploit, an example:

Running over animals and then skinning them isn't allowed and is one of the things we go over during the hunting inductions we do.

This really is something to be handled in Roleplay, but as it's here, this isn't currently the case.

I understand most of your points. Right now it seems rangers are useless except for becoming a hunter, I thought illegal hunting would allow rangers to bee doing something more, which I agree, the rangers will need to have some changes such as giving powers to detain people and call police to arrest them. Similar to how G6 can detain someone for doing something illegal and then call the police and show evidence of what they did in order for them to get arrested.

Maybe to become a hunter with a record is something to be handled in roleplay, but you can't skin animals without being clocked on as a hunter; which is my main point, I can fix my car without being clocked on as a mechanic, but I can't skin an animal.

 

[Snoops]

I wonder if one of the ways around the concerns about material farming without fear of actual consequence could be alleviated by hunters getting quality leather, which remains as is for any recipes that uses it, and low-quality which needs 2 or 3 pieces to be turned into decent quality.

 

[Rouble]

I wonder if one of the ways around the concerns about material farming without fear of actual consequence could be alleviated by hunters getting quality leather, which remains as is for any recipes that uses it, and low-quality which needs 2 or 3 pieces to be turned into decent quality.

The deterrent for illegal hunting is that it will cost you at least £400 per kill, that massively reduces the profits for leather, not to mention you also have to pay 200k+ for a weapon in the first place. he balancing is pretty much already there.

The main issue I see is rangers won't be able to enforce the law and detain people without the help of rural crime officers as rangers don't have the fire power to deal with it

Your suggestion to turn 2 pieces of low quality leather to 1 good quality leather is also good one.

 

[Zeus0x00]

it will cost you at least £400 per kill,

That depends if people use pistols though, I think a lot of crims would try to obtain hunting rifles and ammo instead of using pistols. This would give rangers some more work to investigate people who they suspect may be supplying people with hunting rifles/ammo. Would also give hunters a choice to be "corrupt" and risk their license and criminal charges for selling rifles/ammo for some extra money.

 

[Teej McGee]

Though I am for all of this. A question:

Is there not an RP route to illegally hunt? What is stopping people from approaching an already licenced hunter with open access to hunter items and simply handing them over?

To avoid confusion on my end, does the Hunter's Shack buy items from anyone or only clocked in Hunters?

 

[Rouble]

Though I am for all of this. A question:

Is there not an RP route to illegally hunt? What is stopping people from approaching an already licenced hunter with open access to hunter items and simply handing them over?

To avoid confusion on my end, does the Hunter's Shack buy items from anyone or only clocked in Hunters?

Hunter's shack buys form whoever I think. But you can only skin an animal if you're clocked on as a hunter, otherwise you get no option to skin an animal

 

[Teej McGee]

Hunter's shack buys form whoever I think. But you can only skin an animal if you're clocked on as a hunter, otherwise you get no option to skin it

Oh I see! Suggesting a change to being able to skin an animal when in possession of a 'Hunting Knife' could be a massive change.

 

[Rouble]

Oh I see! Suggesting a change to being able to skin an animal when in possession of a 'Hunting Knife' could be a massive change.

Yeah, this is what this suggestion is, to allow everyone to skin an animal.

 

[Teej McGee]

Yeah, this is what this suggestion is, to allow everyone to skin an animal.

As a perfectly legal character I was unaware!

The knife change would be a massive benefit all around.

 

[SteveStacy]

1 would make all real legal hunters feel like dickheads after being clean and legal for 6 months to only have everyone in the city be able to do it.

Do you really think it’s “reasonable” to have to wait half a year to be able to have the opportunity to hunt animals?

and what is a ranger going to do to a gang of people hunting? Nothing. Police? Who cares another crime on your pnc. Cims dont care about having more crimes on their records.

take pictures, collect evidence and report it to the police, possibly setting up contracts with G6 to help catch the people whom hunt illegally, add points to vehicles used (as they’re used in a crime), not sure what constitutes for house/ car raids but having firearms and illegal hunting equipment/ fur and meat would , I’d imagine, built up a case for it!

 

[Joe Scrub]

+1

Not leather and fur, plus it gives rangers an extra thing to do

You can buy leather and fur from hunters.

Surprised this suggestion hasn't been suggested already. +1 !

Poaching

Hello This suggestion is to add something extra to gathering from huting - so usually you need to go and get the licence then have a intereveiw with the park rangers to gain access to hunting im suggesting adding in an illigal side to it, i came across a mod that replaces the musket with a...

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Illegal Hunting

Now this is only a suggestion, so please do share your thoughts and opinions on this. When it comes to hunting you need to have a clean PNC record. You need to be cleared of 6 months without a gun charge or 3 months with an offensive weapon charge. What I want out of this is to make it so that...

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Make Wildlife skinnable

Short suggestion. Make wildlife skinnable when killed. However knives are still illegal, as is the fur etc, unless you have a hunting license for it. If caught the penalties should be inline with other criminal activities. Thoughts?

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RPUK SUGGESTIONS FOR JOBS!

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Probably more.

Do you really think it’s “reasonable” to have to wait half a year to be able to have the opportunity to hunt animals?

I don't on an OOC level, but from an IC POV it does. In what world would someone with firearms convictions be allowed to hold a hunting licence that gives them access to a firearm?

It's one of those things that is like it now because it always has been, but it has been brought up within Ranger command for review and it may be changed, depends a bit of the outcom of something else first.

 

[Teej McGee]

IMO.

Introduce a 'Hunting Knife', only bought by Hunters/Ranger Station.

- Skins Wildlife.
- Similar degrading to Hunting Rifle (contestable?)

Pros
Introduces more illegal hunting.
Crim RP, mugging encouraging Crim x Hunter RP & further Crim RP, if item found to be later sold via Pawn Shops/Black Market.
Least amount of Dev work, IMO, unless otherwise stated.
More Ranger/Legal RP when loads start to go missing. Same with hunting Rifles.

Cons
Apart from an economical potential downturn on Leather value, none.

 

[Rouble]

I don't on an OOC level, but from an IC POV it does. In what world would someone with firearms convictions be allowed to hold a hunting licence that gives them access to a firearm?

It's one of those things that is like it now because it always has been, but it has been brought up within Ranger command for review and it may be changed, depends a bit of the outcom of something else first.

Yes IC it makes sense, but it is a game at the end of the day

 

[MissRachie]

I think with how the changes at pillbox killed most the fun for g6 I think this risks killing the fun for rangers.

No one would apply to be a hunter anymore. Police wouldn’t respond to chilliad for someone illegally hunting. Rangers couldn’t really do anything about it.

HOWEVERRRR. If illegal hunting was a thing I think the leather should be of lower quality same with the meat as if you’re not a trained hunter you will do it wrong. Risk tearing the hide and such. Then it should take MORE shitty leather for the armour

 

[Joe Scrub]

I think with how the changes at pillbox killed most the fun for g6 I think this risks killing the fun for rangers.

No one would apply to be a hunter anymore. Police wouldn’t respond to chilliad for someone illegally hunting. Rangers couldn’t really do anything about it.

HOWEVERRRR. If illegal hunting was a thing I think the leather should be of lower quality same with the meat as if you’re not a trained hunter you will do it wrong. Risk tearing the hide and such. Then it should take MORE shitty leather for the armour

The majority of the current Rangers (certainly command) would welcome a form of poaching to be implemented, but it would need to be done carefully to preserve legal hunting as a rewarding and saught after activity as Silas explained in his reply.