Police seems useless

[FriendlyFireGuy]

I most say that @Vind Grizzly is right. 

Police don't patrol in Athira and Pyrgos they don't even use the spawn point. Police use most of the time Kavala or airpoint spawnpoint. 

I sit in admin cam around 2 hours a day for last 2 month and only one time did i see a unit spawn in Pyrgos (that was the DI of Pyrgos) and there is daily robberi against people who do diamond.

In Athira you need to lucky to see officer spawn in Athira and 99% when they do spawn the take a car go direct to the airport og past herion proccesser or to the weed field. People in Athira never see a unit drive to the diamond proccesser or just check the shops around. Last time i see officer in Athira was when the prison was there.

This is just was i personal have seen the last 2 month.




 

I think this might one for Police command to look at. My PERSONAL opinion is that Police should patrol in their constabularies unless needed in another area. If what you're saying is true @DELETER (I'm sure it is) then it's maybe something that needs discussion - especially if it's been happening for 2 months regularly. We really want to keep RP with the police diverse and spread across the map - that's for everyone's benefit.

When I was a cop, this sort of issue did feature now and again, there have been various solutions: Patrol routes for example. It always irked me when it happened (I was a cop in Athira) and found it frustrating when most ended up in Kavala - So I can appreciate the frustration.

To address the OP @Vind Grizzly - I do think it is grossly unfair to call the police "useless". It isn't constructive and I would encourage you to next time, refrain from that sort of comment. The police are here, just like you to have fun, so you'd be advised to remember that. It's fine to raise concerns but please do it constructively - you'll get a much more positive response.

Back to the issue at hand (if indeed it actually is one) - If anyone would like to raise a discussion for this, the community meetings are designed to promote dialogue and address these things in an objective way, so submit a talking point and I'm sure a Police  command representative would be happy to address any concerns.

 

[CSI Wolfy]

They're busy trying to take over our FOB xD

We're busy trying to get you out of our lands, don't get why you just live there considering you're so addicted to causing mayhem in The queens land

 

[Vind Grizzly]

Thanks everybody for the attention. I am happy that all the community is talking about this problem.

I think that police can organize patrols considering the most profitable trades.
For example, it is known that selling diamonds is extremely dangerous. Police can consider and orders to 2 officers to stay in Pyrgos all day.
If you let police stay in other cities, you'll see how many players, feeling safe, will make those cities live.

Two more points:
1) I think that police can improve patrols using 2 officers for every car and not 3 officers.
2) I hate when an officer impound his own vehicle because he is too lazy to bring it to the garage. This kills roleplay.

EDIT: I'd like to see little criminal children stay in jail for a max of 40 minutes. I should be great!

 

[CSI Wolfy]

2) I hate when an officer impound his own vehicle because he is too lazy to bring it to the garage. This kills roleplay.

I don't exactly get how It kills roleplay, If anything it enhances roleplay. We have to roleplay impounding a vehicle, also you may not know this but we can't just go to any garage and put it in. It doesn't work like that as the police's vehicles work as rented vehicles in order to store our vehicles without impounding we need to return to the PD and select the "store owned vehicles" option at the vehicle retrieve.

I would advise actually to try joining the police and understanding how our systems work and sometimes the lack of units to patrol. We have a lot to go throguh everyday, from RDMrs, Trolling Hobos, Bank operations, Hostage operations, Drug busts, House raids and especially with sometimes the often low manpower. 

Along with specialised Units as such as NCA who cover Narcotics areas only. We're specialised in that section as it makes our operations more efficient and successful.

Just for reference of you using the term "useless" to describe the police.

NCA:



Armed Response:

 

[Mr Gibbins]

Thanks everybody for the attention. I am happy that all the community is talking about this problem.

I think that police can organize patrols considering the most profitable trades.
For example, it is known that selling diamonds is extremely dangerous. Police can consider and orders to 2 officers to stay in Pyrgos all day.
If you let police stay in other cities, you'll see how many players, feeling safe, will make those cities live.

Two more points:
1) I think that police can improve patrols using 2 officers for every car and not 3 officers.
2) I hate when an officer impound his own vehicle because he is too lazy to bring it to the garage. This kills roleplay.

EDIT: I'd like to see little criminal children stay in jail for a max of 40 minutes. I should be great!

Problem isn't the police m8, the problem is the community is addicted to guns so outnumbered and outgunned police are no deterrent.

If you stand two cops at the Diamond shop I can guarantee they will be killed or kidnapped pretty quickly.  If kidnapped then almost the whole police force will have to respond and you have no police anywhere.

Their hands are tied m8 by the way the meta works, and trust me it is not fun when it's like that day after day as a cop.

 

[FriendlyFireGuy]

Thanks everybody for the attention. I am happy that all the community is talking about this problem.

I think that police can organize patrols considering the most profitable trades.
For example, it is known that selling diamonds is extremely dangerous. Police can consider and orders to 2 officers to stay in Pyrgos all day.
If you let police stay in other cities, you'll see how many players, feeling safe, will make those cities live.

Two more points:
1) I think that police can improve patrols using 2 officers for every car and not 3 officers.
2) I hate when an officer impound his own vehicle because he is too lazy to bring it to the garage. This kills roleplay.

EDIT: I'd like to see little criminal children stay in jail for a max of 40 minutes. I should be great!




 

As I said above, if you have questions/concerns, feel free to submit a question for the community meeting (link in my sig) where the Police will have an opportunity to give you some feedback / answers.

EDIT: I want a gold plated toilet seat, but somethings just aren't on the cards.

 

[Mazen]

Being honest I think the original post has bad wording to the context.

The police is trying to patrol everywhere. As you mention, Kavala is the bussiest with the most people. That means most crimes happen in and around Kavala. That's one of the reason one the police stays in this area. Even though it's the bussiest area, a big enough amount of cops goes to Athira. Please don't forget NCA, NPAS and AR also operate in these areas and will mention any crimes to the normal patrolling units.

It's not because you call the police and they don't appear when the crime happens, that we forgot you. It happens many times officers are busy with a situation meanwhile we see the next one ready in our dispatches. We can't rush to you but please trust me, a unit will always come and check what happened, even if it might be too late.

Second point, Pyrgros is not near Kavala area, Little closer to Athira. These units need to drive all the way around the island. The reason many officers don't activly patrol in these areas is because they know it will take time for backup to arrive and there are only a handfull of players to roleplay with. If anything happens in Kavala or Athira, this unit needs to drive all the way around the island and back afterwards.

Next to this, we got 'complaints' the police is weak and needs to do more by rubbering and tazzing all over the place instead of hidding and waiting. As you mention 7/8 officers at one location, trust me there's a good reason for this. If one unit can handle something, no more units are gonna come in and just walk around to get paid. I guess it's fair to say the police does what they can although I do understand your point too

 

[Rossss]

Add to that the lack of any real penalty.  Rebels, even if caught, spend such a short time in prison that there is almost zero roleplay reason to avoid being seen with a military gun.  For example someone seen IRL with a 7.62mm gun in the street and 5 murders under their belt would never see the light of day again, and gangs numbers would drop so fast they would be off the streets pretty quick.  But Police can't sentence for very long and always have to roleplay initiation and then get sniped for their trouble, respawn, and do it again.

I said this before when I was a cop, and I stand by it now.  Being a Police officer on Altis is often no more than being in a gun range simulator with you as the dummy, one of the highest and best role play opportunities reduced to the status of NPC.

I completely agree.

There used to be an attitude of being scared of losing guns or trucks with drugs. Now there is an attitude of waving guns about and parking trucks in clean view of the drug dealer and if you're stopped, just shoot the police. 

Tbh cops are useless pygros is the capitol of altis and the only time ive ever seen a cop there is when they all stream sniped bettys operation where he was shitting on desks

Really constructive. Just because it's been named as the capital doesn't mean on this server that it is used as a main city.

I think this might one for Police command to look at. My PERSONAL opinion is that Police should patrol in their constabularies unless needed in another area. If what you're saying is true @DELETER (I'm sure it is) then it's maybe something that needs discussion - especially if it's been happening for 2 months regularly. We really want to keep RP with the police diverse and spread across the map - that's for everyone's benefit.

When I was a cop, this sort of issue did feature now and again, there have been various solutions: Patrol routes for example. It always irked me when it happened (I was a cop in Athira) and found it frustrating when most ended up in Kavala - So I can appreciate the frustration.

To address the OP @Vind Grizzly - I do think it is grossly unfair to call the police "useless". It isn't constructive and I would encourage you to next time, refrain from that sort of comment. The police are here, just like you to have fun, so you'd be advised to remember that. It's fine to raise concerns but please do it constructively - you'll get a much more positive response.

Back to the issue at hand (if indeed it actually is one) - If anyone would like to raise a discussion for this, the community meetings are designed to promote dialogue and address these things in an objective way, so submit a talking point and I'm sure a Police  command representative would be happy to address any concerns.

I completely agree that police mainly stay west of Agios and around Kavala. The main reason is there is lots of drugs being moved around in these areas, and when they are caught, there tends to be a pursuit/firefight (see above). There a lot less people in Athira/Pyrgos now and therefore less crime. Yes, robberies happen in Pyrgos/Athira and personally I will always attend if possible when I see a 999 call, but there is a lack of these (with enough detail worth bothering about).

There is also lots of backup constantly needed around Kavala areas for the reasons above.

For example, it is known that selling diamonds is extremely dangerous. Police can consider and orders to 2 officers to stay in Pyrgos all day.
If you let police stay in other cities, you'll see how many players, feeling safe, will make those cities live.

Two more points:
1) I think that police can improve patrols using 2 officers for every car and not 3 officers.
2) I hate when an officer impound his own vehicle because he is too lazy to bring it to the garage. This kills roleplay.

EDIT: I'd like to see little criminal children stay in jail for a max of 40 minutes. I should be great!

• Assigning officers to one city is a good idea in theory, but there is a lack of people there with the exception of diamond traders. As said above, backup calls would mean that officers would have to leave the area before long.
  
• I disagree that safer cities would encourage people to go there, people go where there are processors, traders etc (Which is why Athira is quieter than it used to be)
  
• Having 2 officers is easier said than done due to lots of reasons, such as CSOs having to go with an SPC+ or YR's a SGT+
  
• How does it kill roleplay? Sometimes it is needed to get in another officers car. They could drive to the police station to store it, but then they wouldn't be stopping robberies and murders...
  

 

[Hugo_]

@DELETER @Vind Grizzly As CI of Athira, I thank you for the feedback.

I am always trying to get officers to patrol within the Athira boundaries and this post will help me with my case in point.

Please take note that activity will increase within Athira. If you have any further issues, please do not hesitate to let me know.

Regards

CI Hugo (Chief Inspector of Athira)

 

[Imstyle]

i recently left the police after returning, the reason i did so is simple - the mentailty of the police has become "lets frag people" instead of lets roleplay - people are rewarded for being a good shot rather then a good roleplayer - this issue is not just with the lower ranks - but those in command also - very rarely will you see a good roleplay situation with the police these days - im not saying all officers are bad - just the majority of them - 3 years ago i joined here - and i was amazed by the quality of good roleplaying officers there were - i could name so many names - now i can count on my left hand the amount of good roleplayers there are - sadly this issue wont change because those who are in charge are just as bad - i wish it was the same as it use to be - but sadly kavala is were gunfights are and thats why cops always sit around there

 

[Phalanx]

 the mentailty of the police has become "lets frag people" 




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Sadly it has become much of the mentality of the community, and communities across Altis Life. Inevitable really. Frag Videos have become much of a trend, surprising, to say the least in an RP community. 

 

[Danish]

i recently left the police after returning, the reason i did so is simple - the mentailty of the police has become "lets frag people" instead of lets roleplay - people are rewarded for being a good shot rather then a good roleplayer - this issue is not just with the lower ranks - but those in command also - very rarely will you see a good roleplay situation with the police these days - im not saying all officers are bad - just the majority of them - 3 years ago i joined here - and i was amazed by the quality of good roleplaying officers there were - i could name so many names - now i can count on my left hand the amount of good roleplayers there are - sadly this issue wont change because those who are in charge are just as bad - i wish it was the same as it use to be - but sadly kavala is were gunfights are and thats why cops always sit around there

I agree. The mentality has become "We must stop all criminals, no matter the cost, we don't need to roleplay. They're criminals" I came across a hobo, who threathened to commit terror attacks in game. I met up with him and roleplayed with him, trying to find what the reason was. He told me he needed money to buy a rifle, so he could rob people. I tried to come to a peaceful resolution with him, but failed, and when I told him to surrender himself, and put his hands above his head. He tried to shoot me. Instead of sending him to prison, which is what happens too often and is boring as hell for him. I decided to exile him by dropping him off on a desolated island far away from society, as he was a threat to society. I had a ton of fun with him. The roleplay was top notch. I just wish, that all other officers would try to raise the roleplay standard.

 

[Imstyle]

@Danish my post is not meant as some form of kick to the police - just a note from a old member of the community that cares - i come here 3 years ago for the server - now im here for the community - i just wish it could improve

 

[Danish]

@Danish my post is not meant as some form of kick to the police - just a note from a old member of the community that cares - i come here 3 years ago for the server - now im here for the community - i just wish it could improve

I hope it improves as well. I may not have been around as long as the old members, but I generally care about the roleplay value as well. I mean it's a roleplay server. We all joined for the roleplay, and not for fragging.

 

[LONG BEARD]

I always spawn Athira and begin my patrol there. We try to stick to that area as much as possible, but usually, we'll get a call for backup or a roberry and get pulled away, or have to respond to something that's outside our constab area which then leads on to responding to something else and so on. 

I do agree with the OP though that officers spend too much 'unnecessary' time in Kavala and as police, it's frustrating when you need backup in Athira area, look at the map and see there's none close by with most in Kavala. 

With that said, Kavala is not only the place police tend to gravitate towards, but also rebels, criminals, and hobos so it's only natural that most drama and activity requiring police attention takes place there.  It's a high traffic area. Once pulled into that hive of scum and villainy, it's very difficult to get back out as a po po. 

We in Athira constab will make a concerted effort to focus on the Athira area, but please try to see things from the police side also.  We don't always have the numbers, and we have to deal with a lot of large rebel gangs who constantly create problems for us and spread us thinly. 

 

[FriendlyFireGuy]

I hope it improves as well. I may not have been around as long as the old members, but I generally care about the roleplay value as well. I mean it's a roleplay server. We all joined for the roleplay, and not for fragging.




 

On this note, since it's relevant I'll add something I'm working on:

I ALWAYS believe the quality of RP can improve and there's one way I'm looking at that may at least help in part. Everyone RP's differently and some people find RP inspiration hard to come by (recently I've heard of individuals and even gangs wanting RP tips - so the intention to RP is clearly there.)

My intention at the moment is to encourage the recommend a player forum to include more videos and descriptions of quality RP (rather than circle jerks) and then potentially, we run a monthly competition where the staff team (or a group of some folks) pick a winner of the best RP video in that section (after a shortlist maybe) and this then becomes a showcase for the following month and those involved get some sort of forum award, perhaps. My hope, is that we create more of a 'Buzz' around RP and create an achievement based around this whilst providing some inspiration to the rest of the community. In a nutshell, we'll be placing RP at the forefront of the community in a visual way to encourage more of the same, because afterall, - we are an RP community.

We've tried something similar before, but as we have more resources now (staff) it's something I'm working on and hopeful we can make it work.

Nothing confirmed yet, but it's the intention.

(This is the community in general - not aimed at any particular faction alone, this seemed like an opportune moment to mention it informally!)

 

[Danish]

On this note, since it's relevant I'll add something I'm working on:

I ALWAYS believe the quality of RP can improve and there's one way I'm looking at that may at least help in part. Everyone RP's differently and some people find RP inspiration hard to come by (recently I've heard of individuals and even gangs wanting RP tips - so the intention to RP is clearly there.)

My intention at the moment is to encourage the recommend a player forum to include more videos and descriptions of quality RP (rather than circle jerks) and then potentially, we run a monthly competition where the staff team (or a group of some folks) pick a winner of the best RP video in that section (after a shortlist maybe) and this then becomes a showcase for the following month and those involved get some sort of forum award, perhaps. My hope, is that we create more of a 'Buzz' around RP and create an achievement based around this whilst providing some inspiration to the rest of the community. In a nutshell, we'll be placing RP at the forefront of the community in a visual way to encourage more of the same, because afterall, - we are an RP community.

We've tried something similar before, but as we have more resources now (staff) it's something I'm working on and hopeful we can make it work.

Nothing confirmed yet, but it's the intention.

(This is the community in general - not aimed at any particular faction alone, this seemed like an opportune moment to mention it informally!)

I always put up videos of the quality roleplay, I've experienced, so that others may get to see it. It gladdens me to hear, staff is working on rewarding people for their roleplay. I definitely hope this will work out really well. We really need to make >Roleplay< the most important and imprint it into everyone's minds.

 

[MarkW]

Ok we're useless then. Not as if NCA recovers 10's of 100's of millions worth of drugs and weapons per month.

I like the RP that is given during those recoveries aswell

Joking BTW dont take this seriously

 

[Scott1sh]

If people have issues of getting robbed on the eastern side of island especially near Pyrgos then give the UNMC a call, we are here to protect citizens.

 

[Imstyle]

@Scott1sh just one small issue - unlike messege police or admins - there is no way to messege the unmc without metagaming using phonebook - many times with id of like to messege the unmc for help and it doesnt seem right unless iv gotten there name in roleplay