VEHICLE SCRAPPING REWORK - Strike System

[ReggieW]

but like legal processes irl there can be mistakes.

If there can be mistakes, maybe the process shouldn't be so quick then, as seen the other day when an innocent's car got scrapped, because now surely he'll have to go through the courts to get it back which can take weeks, simply because of the courts jumping the gun. Everyone's saying how much work goes into car scrapping but recently it seems the quality of evidence required has gone down substantially, i don't have a problem with cars involved in mass gang shootings getting scrapped but there needs to be evidence beyond a reasonable doubt, even more so than there is now.

Hell, even cars that have been at the scene have been getting scrapped, not even evidence of a bullet being shot from them, this was seen at the hangar fight a month ago or so where a bunch of triad/vagos cars were scrapped despite none of them actually being inside them and shooting from them.

 

[Nazgul]

If there can be mistakes, maybe the process shouldn't be so quick then, as seen the other day when an innocent's car got scrapped, because now surely he'll have to go through the courts to get it back which can take weeks, simply because of the courts jumping the gun. Everyone's saying how much work goes into car scrapping but recently it seems the quality of evidence required has gone down substantially, i don't have a problem with cars involved in mass gang shootings getting scrapped but there needs to be evidence beyond a reasonable doubt, even more so than there is now.

Hell, even cars that have been at the scene have been getting scrapped, not even evidence of a bullet being shot from them, this was seen at the hangar fight a month ago or so where a bunch of triad/vagos cars were scrapped despite none of them actually being inside them and shooting from them.

The evidence we need is body camera with the car and someone shooting out of it or using it to use in a manor that is assisting in the murder of an individual a hole report needs to be written with the evidence aswell

 

[Chilli]

The evidence we need is body camera with the car and someone shooting out of it or using it to use in a manor that is assisting in the murder of an individual a hole report needs to be written with the evidence aswell

and that brings up this part

Gang A steals a car from pillbox hospital without the owner knowing at all or being able to report the vehicle as stolen. Gang A uses said stolen vehicle to shoot at Gang B. The police arrive and impound the vehicle pending a scrap. Due to the car owner not reporting it as stolen before the incident, the vehicle will be scrapped and it is up to the owner to prove that it was not him driving, and by then, the vehicle has already been scrapped and now the player can only get compensation of the vehicles worth.

so someone was seen shooting from it = scrap?
but the car owner was in hospital or something so couldn't report

 

[Nazgul]

and that brings up this part

so someone was seen shooting from it = scrap?
but the car owner was in hospital or something so couldn't report

Hence my previous comment there be an X amount of days before it is scrapped to give the owner of the vehicle a chance to get a solicitor to make a case freezing the scrapping until the judges see the defence case and if the defence wins then the car isn’t scrapped and is returned if not then the car is scrapped

 

[Anonymous Monkey]

Hence my previous comment there be an X amount of days before it is scrapped to give the owner of the vehicle a chance to get a solicitor to make a case freezing the scrapping until the judges see the defence case and if the defence wins then the car isn’t scrapped and is returned if not then the car is scrapped

To be honest, I completely agree with this.

Also, what if this policy was changed to only be certain gang/groups that go under the 1 strike policy whereas normal civs that have a small shootout dont get their vehicles taken after one offense? 

 

[JackJohnson]

Also, what if this policy was changed to only be certain gang/groups that go under the 1 strike policy whereas normal civs that have a small shootout dont get their vehicles taken after one offense? 

The policy is this, the one strike policy only applies to “vehicles used, by a criminal group, as part of a major firearms incident (as deemed appropriate by the judiciary)”.

The vehicles that have been falling under this part of the policy has been Vagos, Coalition, Ballas, Traids etc… no ‘normal civ’ is having their vehicles scrapped on 1-strike for a minor firearms incident.

Again, I think people need to actual read the policy before commenting on it. 

 

[Anonymous Monkey]

The policy is this, the one strike policy only applies to “vehicles used, by a criminal group, as part of a major firearms incident (as deemed appropriate by the judiciary)”.

The vehicles that have been falling under this part of the policy has been Vagos, Coalition, Ballas, Traids etc… no ‘normal civ’ is having their vehicles scrapped on 1-strike for a minor firearms incident.

Again, I think people need to actual read the policy before commenting on it. 

I don't think you really understood here. You want to encourage people decamping from vehicles to shoot for realism yet still scrap the cars used to get to the other gang turf. 

 

[Zulufighter]

I don't think you really understood here. You want to encourage people decamping from vehicles to shoot for realism yet still scrap the cars used to get to the other gang turf. 

I think the idea is to encourage people to not have gunfights in broad daylight, in front of the police at all rather then just getting them out of their cars.

 

[JackJohnson]

I don't think you really understood here. You want to encourage people decamping from vehicles to shoot for realism yet still scrap the cars used to get to the other gang turf. 

I would love if people would push on foot but that’s not what I replied, I’m talking about when you said below, this is the way the policy works that I explained above. 

Also, what if this policy was changed to only be certain gang/groups that go under the 1 strike policy whereas normal civs that have a small shootout dont get their vehicles taken after one offense? 

 

[Anonymous Monkey]

I think the idea is to encourage people to not have gunfights in broad daylight, in front of the police at all rather then just getting them out of their cars.

will never happen, no matter what you do. shots fired dispatches come through so quickly. like 2-3 gunshots.

 

[JackJohnson]

I think the idea is to encourage people to not have gunfights in broad daylight, in front of the police at all rather then just getting them out of their cars.

Again, couldn’t agree more. Personally I think gunfights can be fun on foot and if done properly. 

Being completely honest, the part of these wars that gets me laughing is when Police arrive and certain gangs (NOT ALL OF THEM) start complaining that Police are involved, when they are quite literally murdering people in broad daylight.

I’m not going to pick on one gang here because it happens regularly, but an example are the Vagos - I won’t get into the details of the report since this isn’t the place for it, but I seen a report the other week and in the video as soon as Police arrive they took to their in game radios, OOC and then the forums to complain that Police shouldn’t be getting involved when they are literally shooting people right in front of them. It might just be missing something, but I personally think it’s crazy to think the police aren’t going to do anything about that, no? 

So as it happens, usually when you have 2 gangs fight it can be 20 or 30 people therefore not much Police can do in the moment so you’ll find that seizing cars, raiding houses, locking/raiding storage containers, S47 searches etc… are the ways we (as in RPUK cops) end up combating the events that have been happening a lot recently. 

 

[CJ]

Thank you for taking the time to make this suggestion.

Unfortunately, I am going to be rejecting this suggestion for the following reason(s):

• Lack of community support.
• A lot of time has passed since this suggestion was made, and the server has changed a lot since then, so feedback from the current player base would be ideal.

Rejection does not always mean we would not consider the idea in future, so if you or anyone else disagrees and believes this would be a good idea, please feel free to make a new suggestion to gauge further community feedback.

SUGGESTION REJECTED​